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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group</h1>
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<h2>06 May 2009</h2>
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'http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html'>Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd> Wonsuk, HaoWang, Linas, pchampin,
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tinkster, karl, jsalvachua, Dom,
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danbri, Phil_Archer,
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hhalpin, wonsuk,
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renato, mischat_, BenG, AdamB,
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FabGandon, DKA, tpa, jeffs,
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petef, cperey, HenryStory, oshani,
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Hakan, AlexKorth, Miquel, JuanCarlos
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MacTed, rreck, yuk, MaciejJanik</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Dan_Appelquist</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Introductions</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Charter review and
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deliverables</a></li>
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</li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<div class="meeting">
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> we're starting up
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just in time: Facebook Shuts Down RSS Feed App <a href=
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"http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_shuts_down_rss_feed_app.php">
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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_shuts_down_rss_feed_app.php</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Wow.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> so I guess it's
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one of our main challenges to propose a solution to combine
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openness/accessibility and privacy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> well an atom
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feed with some auth may help to substitute, but i think
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Facebook wont agree, AlexKorth</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> i am one of the
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cochairs<br />
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... i sent intro to the @@url<br />
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... along with danbri and hhalpin who are also on the line</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> Scribe: DanBri</p>
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<p class='phone'>(gsm noise interference ... pls move it away
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...)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> ScribeNick:
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DanBri</p>
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<p class='phone'>please be scrupulous bout muting yourself
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while not speaking</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> and as a matter of
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housekeeping, we have an irc channel that goes along with most
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calls</p>
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<p class='phone'>this more than a nice-to-have it is an
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essetnial part of all w3c calls</p>
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<p class='phone'>reason is that the minutes are taken into the
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irc channel</p>
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<p class='phone'>this means that ... you can watch the minutes
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being taken as it happens</p>
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<p class='phone'>you can correct, add, ... if you are
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mis-scribed you can correct that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> strawpolls can be taken
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in irc, etc</p>
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<p class='phone'>so participating in the irc channel, for those
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not familiar, it might sound a bit nerdy</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> "well i'll just dial-in"
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,...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> but instead i really
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encourage you to all get used to IRC<br />
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... you will get a much richer experience out of it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> interact in a bettter
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way</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> as we have limited time
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and a large group<br />
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... we will go with harry's agenda<br />
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... (see topic in irc)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>:)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> (It's the channel
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topic too.)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> Agenda: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> kicking right off...
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with introductions<br />
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... for those of you who joined after i said this: please be
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scrupulous about muting<br />
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... even if you don't think you need to<br />
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... all that noise adds up!</p>
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<p class='phone'>brief intros:</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> The Zakim
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commands are here : <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot">http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>roll call, ... brief intros ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> yes, that's what i meant
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... BRIEF!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Seems 314 could be
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Bristol.</p>
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<p class='phone'>hi henry</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> sorry, I am
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skyping in from portugal. I dont know who I am ;)</p>
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<p class='phone'>one thing we can do is "mute xyz" or "who is
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speaking?", but both are a bit invasive</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> is petef on the
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call?</p>
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<p class='phone'>(I am not going to scribe this "who is
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1.123.456 etc... discussion :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> for those who
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don't have a client we may suggest <a href=
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"http://mibbit.com/chat/">http://mibbit.com/chat/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Linas</cite>> Hi, I am Linas from
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Alcatel-Lucent Bell Labs Research in France</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>BenG</cite>> BenG = Benjamin Nguyen
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from UVSQ</p>
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<p class='phone'>(for roll call, if you have urls to your
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mailing list intro that would be great for the minutes)</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Introductions</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Roll call:</p>
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<p class='phone'>Jed ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/51ED3028-9740-4FF0-8D71-0ECDAEB1E31C@capturagroup.com">
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Jed's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> works for small
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consultancy in san diego, ... social media, .gov, ...<br />
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... internet policy in washington folk, a consultant not a
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policy maker, staying abreast of standards, ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Marie:</cite> ... UPC from Barcelona</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Oshani:</cite></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/a477174c0905031049k562eec88m65ab60c7de28e316@mail.gmail.com">
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Oshani's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Oshani:</cite> student from MIT, work on
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issues related to privacy and accountability on the Web.
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Interested in applying research we're doing to social web
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related activities in the XG</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/4A0163D7.5070209@champin.net">Pierre-Antoine
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Champin's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> +1 Henry Story
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present</p>
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<p class='phone'>pchampin, Pierra-Antoine Champin, associate
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professor in france see url <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/4A0163D7.5070209@champin.net">http://www.w3.org/mid/4A0163D7.5070209@champin.net</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Miquel:</cite> ... from ... research
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labs in germany, heidelberg<br />
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... working on distrib id management, ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Rreck:</cite> Ron Reck ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/49FEB2EE.5040008@rrecktek.com">Ronald
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Reck's intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> my homepage
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<a href="http://fabien.info">http://fabien.info</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>fabien gandon: inria research, fr</p>
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<p class='phone'>see homepage :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009Apr/0010.html">
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DKA's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>DFA, Daniel Appelquist ... vodafone ac rep,
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co-chair, ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0018.html">
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PhilA's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Phil Archer (PhilA): in this xg i represent
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greek national centre for research in athems</p>
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<p class='phone'>athens</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> interested in social
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network openness, but also privacy concerns</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> PhilA wants to
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grab our data but keep his private ;-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/8F39651CFAD94556B0E0805232545C03@T60">Christine
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Perey's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Christen Perey (cperey), mobile social
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networking consultant, co-chaired barcelona workshop</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/2298D8C21EBED34EB68E560AFE7B6288031C31F3@FRVELSMBS13.ad2.ad.alcatel.com">Linas' intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Linas:</cite> from Lucent/Bell ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Linas:</cite> social comms dept<br />
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... bridging social nets analysis world with telecoms world</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>BenG:</cite> from Uni Versailles in
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Frane</p>
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<p class='phone'>France</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0005.html">
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Ben's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>DB, sociology, ... working with w3c
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standards</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Jeffs:</cite> RIT ... centre for
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handheld web, ... w3c ac rep, ... also on mobile web
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group<br />
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... here to do research on the networks expressed in this data,
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and the issues around privacy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/4A017D43.5010401@uni-koblenz.de">Maciej's
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intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>MicieJanik ... [missed that, desktop problem
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here, sorry]</p>
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<p class='phone'>(MaciejJanik, could you type your comment here
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please? sorry i missed it)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0007.html">
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Renato's introduction</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Renato:</cite> from NICTA,
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Australia<br />
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... interest in interop amongst social networks and chair
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policy languages xg</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> Renato's intro
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<a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0008.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0008.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Peter Ferne (petef): (postponed)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/A32A1275-82E4-405B-8D7F-DA2C47996832@jivatechnology.com">
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Peter Ferne's intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> melvin c</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I don't think he's
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on the call?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Melvster:</cite> (not on call)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> sorry, im not on
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the call, just lurking, is that ok?</p>
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<p class='phone'>davide sent regrets, in a conflicting
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telecon</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> petef is on irc but
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mysteriously muted</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> and on the call</p>
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<p class='phone'>Caribou is Carine from W3C; she sends
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regrets</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MaciejJanik</cite>> danbri - my
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intro: I'm from IsWeb group, University of Koblenz, Germany.
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Interested in trust and privacy issues in social web. Working
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on WeKnowIt project.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Harry Halpin:</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> uni edinburgh<br />
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... w3c fellow</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0000.html">
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Harry's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> working on social web,
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rdf, info retrieval technologies</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dom:</cite> ... cochaired the barcelona
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workshop, work on w3c's mobile web initiative</p>
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<p class='phone'>alex korth</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> berlin germany</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0003.html">
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Alex Korth's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>privacy issues, social media</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>TPA:</cite> Tim A....</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0010.html">
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Tim Anglade's intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.la-grange.net/karl/">http://www.la-grange.net/karl/</a>
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<a href=
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"http://twitter.com/karlpro">http://twitter.com/karlpro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>TPA:</cite> representing AF83</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0026.html">
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Karl's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Karl Dubost: social network guinea pig ... ...
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giving ppl choice about their data</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Toby Inkster -
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<a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0010.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0010.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Toby Inkster ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> see intro url<br />
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... involved in microformats, foaf+ssl, libre.fm</p>
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<p class='phone'>Adam B: with Boeing, lead architect, product
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manager for an inhouse social tool</p>
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<p class='phone'>interested in interop between this and
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external systems, customers/suppliers etc</p>
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<p class='phone'>security issues etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0034.html">
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DanBri's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>me:</cite> foaf etc</p>
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<p class='phone'>Alex Passant, ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0020.html">
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Alexandre Passant's intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> alex is in the
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SPARQL WG</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mattl:</cite></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> mattl is Matt Lee,
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libre.fm</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/49F70D2E.5050405@cnuk.org">Matt Lee's
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intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Don't think he's
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on the call.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/B4EAD1122C31304099A5CDEA5447210F01908AE4@email2">
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Wonsuk's intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> i think i didnt
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unmuted me: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0034.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0034.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0022.html">
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Howard's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Hao Wang:</p>
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<p class='phone'>from China, ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> i have yet to
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introduce</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Mischat:</cite> Mischa Tuffield ...</p>
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<p class='phone'>currently working with Garlik</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> i joined late, haven't
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introduce myself yet</p>
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<p class='phone'>interested in distrib social network,
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privacy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/mid/7E13617D-C3F7-4BB9-A172-73BDDF9B414A@garlik.com">
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Mischa's intro</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>an online identity protection project</p>
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<p class='phone'>prev at southampton, ... interest in
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lifeblogging</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> touche</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
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"http://mmt.me.uk/">http://mmt.me.uk/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0030.html">
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Hans' intro</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.memoriesforlife.org/">http://www.memoriesforlife.org/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Henry Story, work
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for Sun Microsystems as Social Web Architect. Co-authored this
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paper for spot2009 "FOAF+SSL: RESTful Authentication for the
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Social Web" <a href=
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"http://bblfish.net/tmp/2009/05/spot2009_submission_15.pdf">http://bblfish.net/tmp/2009/05/spot2009_submission_15.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I am just cycling
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from France to Germany (anyone know how to get good european
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mobile data prices?). Got a connection in a McDonald's sorry
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for silly music playing in background. Blog: <a href=
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"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish">http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Henry Story, representing Sun</p>
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<p class='phone'>foaf+ssl</p>
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<p class='phone'>Ted (macted) from openlink</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> open connectivity, access
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to information<br />
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... open protocols and formats, while preserving security in an
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organic sense<br />
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... integral to the foaf+ssl discussions, also oauth</p>
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<p class='phone'>? from sony erricson</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> FOAF and then some -
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<a href=
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"http://myopenlink.net/dataspace/person/tthibodeau">http://myopenlink.net/dataspace/person/tthibodeau</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> mainly interested in
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mobile aspects, esp trust aspects</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0014.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0014.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> this is quite a diverse group<br />telecoms, web, semweb, indusrty , startups,
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academia, ...<br />
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... app developers, ...
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others</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> Alexandre
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Passant from DERI Galway (<a href=
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"http://deri.ie)">http://deri.ie)</a> interested in Social Web
|
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and Semantic Web interactions (semantic blogging, semantic
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wikis, etc). Co-author of the SIOC ontology, MOAT project,
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worked on various applications such as foafmap. blogging at
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<a href="http://apassant.net">http://apassant.net</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> challenge is to identify areas where we can
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make a difference<br /> ... leverage, synergy etc :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> within the WG,
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I'm interested in portability of social data and mappings
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|
between different formats that aim to achieve this goal - as
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well as privcay</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Charter review and deliverables</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> we need to review the
|
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initial deliverables we have in the charter, expectations
|
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etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> hello i didn't
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introduce myself yet, if still possible</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> we created a 2h slot but
|
|
generally that's probably too much</p>
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<p class='phone'>figure out if we want weekly vs biweekly
|
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...</p>
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<p class='phone'>Harry wanted to talk about invited guests,
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...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter">Social Web
|
|
Incubator Group's charter</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>re deliverables, ... <a href=
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|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter#deliverables">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter#deliverables</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> DanBri, go over
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charter?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> scribe: PhilA</p>
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>DanBRi:</cite> Can I bounce this to
|
|
Harry?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DB:</cite> In some of the early drafts
|
|
of the charter, there were a lot of deliverables and I argued
|
|
for tem to be reduced in number</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter#deliverables">
|
|
Proposed deliverables for the group</a></p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> "A use-case and
|
|
requirement document that describes a number of real-world use
|
|
cases and determines if solutions can be built on top of
|
|
existing standards, including standards outside the W3C, and
|
|
help determine what other standards may be needed. Use-cases
|
|
will guide the requirements needed for future work."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> and</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Better to deliver
|
|
more than we promise than vice versa,</p>
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>DB:</cite> If there is the capacity to
|
|
produce those (dropped) delievrables, then let's do it</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> "A document that
|
|
describes how diverse, ongoing work in this area (outside and
|
|
within the W3C) currently relates to the Social Web's future.
|
|
This description of existing, active and past work, both on an
|
|
industry level and a technical level, will seek to explain how
|
|
the W3C and community at large may leverage the best of breed
|
|
and highlight possible weaknesses where further work or new
|
|
work would be beneficial to the Social Web."</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think it's important that
|
|
everything that happens is because people want it to
|
|
happen<br />
|
|
... There is a low engagement from W3C itself<br />
|
|
... Members of the WG do the work, noone else...<br />
|
|
... We need editors</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Echoing DanBri's statement -
|
|
more output may affect the quality of the output</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> You're more influential if
|
|
you're an editor</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>inserted</cite>> ScribeNick:
|
|
danbri</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> given finite time
|
|
...<br />
|
|
... we need to produce high quality deliverables, that give w3c
|
|
an idea of a clear role for its work in this area</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> ScribeNick: danbri</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> so lets look at scheduling
|
|
strategy<br />
|
|
... productive telecons with 33 people are difficult!<br />
|
|
... once we know the participation, we can look at task forces
|
|
aroudn topics or deliverables</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> task forces strike me
|
|
as a good idea for focusing on deliverables</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 use cases</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'>looking at what we have listed for delivs,
|
|
fairly std set ... a use case and requirements doc ...</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> +1 Use case</p>
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 usecase</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> +1 use-case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>miquel</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Jed</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> +1</p>
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|
<p class='phone'>2nd doc, more technical document, ... perhaps
|
|
broader doc, than the main final report ...."details document",
|
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...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> +1 use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 details
|
|
document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> lowerlevel document and a
|
|
higherlevel document</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> [I'm interested in
|
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"user stories" more than "use cases" :) ]</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> +1 use-case
|
|
editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> +1 use case editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> +1 use case
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|
editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> +1 use case
|
|
editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> woo hoo!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1 details
|
|
document editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Linas</cite>> +1 use case</p>
|
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|
|
<p class='phone'>Now for 2nd doc (technical doc) ... how many
|
|
ppl in being editors?</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 different
|
|
docs</p>
|
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|
<p class='phone'>(possibly broken into diff docs)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1 details
|
|
document editor (but only if it's split up)</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> +1 technical document
|
|
editor (but not two at the same time)</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> I'm up for editing
|
|
any doc for which I am competent!</p>
|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> do you expect to see use
|
|
cases translated into technical arch?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> (which is a small
|
|
subset of the possibles of course)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> come up with a strawman
|
|
arch for the social web?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> +1 technical
|
|
document</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> could include some of
|
|
the enumeration of the different bits of work already going on
|
|
in the community?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> +1 technical
|
|
document</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MaciejJanik</cite>> +1 technical
|
|
document</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> including work on a kind
|
|
of strawman architecture?</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> yes, ... you'd want to
|
|
have strawman architectures but aslo as danbri points out
|
|
existing architectures...<br />
|
|
... look realistically at the industry forces</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1 technical
|
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document</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> eg. maybe facebook don't
|
|
want to participate, ... that's an issue but in the tech doc we
|
|
can discuss their broad approach</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> looking at existing
|
|
architectures keeps it real and grounds things in reality
|
|
imho</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> and how the different
|
|
stacks/architectures/approaches inter-relate<br />
|
|
... ie. some detail beyond that needed for w3c management
|
|
report</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> it should be stated on this
|
|
1st call that our remit is not to develop new tech but to look
|
|
at what's out there<br />
|
|
... not in business in this wg of making new tech<br />
|
|
... referencing etc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> +1 use case</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> its always easier to
|
|
create a poor tool (technology) than learn a good one?</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> +1 technical
|
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document</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> 2nd thing re deliverables
|
|
,...</p>
|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> final report is a bit
|
|
difficult, it isn't a details report ...</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> final report is what w3c
|
|
should do (eg. recommend new groups)</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> should be a
|
|
state of the art for actual solutions/ architectures</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> can invite externals in to
|
|
speak<br />
|
|
... see what their needs, goals etc are<br />
|
|
... final report will be shorter, focussed on future role of
|
|
w3c</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> charge is to "propose
|
|
a way forward", not yet to build</p>
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> may have more deliverables
|
|
beyond that, but this is the core</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 final report
|
|
editor</p>
|
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|
<p class='phone'>can you write +1 "final report editor" in irc
|
|
if you want to help with that</p>
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> +1 final report
|
|
editor</p>
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> +1 final report ed</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1 final report
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editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
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qualify that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Jed</cite>> +1 final report
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editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> +1 final report
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editor</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DanBri:</cite> Although the
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group don't do tech development there's nothing to stop members
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forming ad hoc groups to go off and do something with real code
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and real tools</p>
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<p class='phone'> ... the FOAF+SSL is a
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good examppe of this</p>
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<p class='phone'> ... it doesn't
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necessarily need standardising but it's good stuff</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> re foaf+ssl, it isn't so
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much new technology, but interesting recombination</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> The FOAF+SSL is
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not really new tech, it's a combination of existing
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technologies so it's a grey area</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> or at least a grey area</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> and we can be identifying
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gaps</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 identifying
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gaps</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> putting a stricture on
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yourself is a way to understand what the gaps are</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Linas</cite>> +1 technical
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document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, I should put a
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list of gaps for foaf+ssl</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
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show the notes feature</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> next charter section ...
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list of dependencies</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to ask for Trackbot [recorded
|
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> any additional
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dependencies?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> RI can do PLING</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> I'm on html5 wg</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> danbri, we could also
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make queries on the group database</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> I can do
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SPARQL; and SIOC (while Uldis Bojars and John Breslin are also
|
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in the XG )</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri suggest some names/contacts for
|
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other group liaisons [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> maybe dom, or someone
|
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from the systeam, could extract the cross participation</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> steve harris may
|
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come to future meetings to bridge swxg and sparql wg</p>
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<p class='phone'>re invited ghuests:</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> 2 diff things to do on a
|
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telecon<br />
|
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... 1 is make and write deliverables<br />
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... can do that in smaller groups, eg tf-based</p>
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<p class='phone'>(mail or phone, ... whatever)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> can we go back to
|
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the task force documents?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> but we can take that tf
|
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discussion offline<br />
|
|
... we can maintain weekly meetings<br />
|
|
... but every bi-weekly we devote it to one of the groups
|
|
listed in the dependencies<br />
|
|
... so that everyone can dial in and listen to how someone
|
|
things their tech helps the social web, and how relates to
|
|
w3c</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> apologies to the
|
|
meeting but I have to duck out now, will catch up on the
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list</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> eg also things it might
|
|
need help with, or not be good for</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> +1 to alternate mtgs
|
|
being devoted to hearing this, but maybe just for one cycle to
|
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begin with?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> dedicating
|
|
telecons to particular ongoing activities within the social web
|
|
is a great idea!</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> renato redialing
|
|
(droped out)</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> clear procuess for moving
|
|
input from externals into docs</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i think sounds like a
|
|
great idea</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> alternate weeks can be
|
|
insider stuff, writing docs, task forces etc</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 agrees with
|
|
DanBri</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> good idea<br />
|
|
... but q of how long the calls should be<br />
|
|
... strawman fwd of 1h calls</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> [I think 2 hours is too
|
|
long; 1h per week sounds good]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> nothing gets done
|
|
after an hour of a mtg</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> 1h call has to start on
|
|
time</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 one hour calls
|
|
started on time</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'>a 2h call is a big chunk of the day</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> it seems that a
|
|
presentation should not last more than 30min</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>miquel</cite>> +1 one hour calls
|
|
started on time</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1 one hour</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> issue with invited speakers,
|
|
... getting a pipeline ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 30 minutes
|
|
presentations</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1 one hour</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jed</cite>> +1 hour call</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> who takes on role of getting
|
|
them lined up</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> 30 mins
|
|
presentation + 30 mins discussion</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> Technical doc
|
|
potential editors: jsalvachua, tinkster, karl</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> Use Case potential
|
|
Editor: jeffs, karl, PhilA, FabGandon</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> Final report potential
|
|
editors: cperey, tpa, danbri, tinkster, Jed, FabGandon</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> keep invite talk to 30
|
|
mins q+a, ... rest of time for feedback, discussion etc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> what about 30 minutes
|
|
presentation, 30 minutes q/a with presenter, 30 minutes group
|
|
action discussion</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>yep</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> if person can send us
|
|
stuff to read first it should be possible</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> this 1st call always going
|
|
to be a bit tricky, as people get used to the tooling<br />
|
|
... use the wiki over next week<br />
|
|
... can use wiki to let people update and add themselves</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>eg. we could start with mobile and
|
|
contexts</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> can we vote on
|
|
speakers we think are important?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> re invited speakers, ...
|
|
missing the point of those ...<br />
|
|
... sad to see us spend too much time on those<br />
|
|
... when could be doing research, etc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thought
|
|
research+other work could be done on alternating weeks...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>karl, yes i think so re wiki</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> my comment is that
|
|
real work is grounding your efforts in the existing
|
|
environment</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> incubator group is what we
|
|
make of it...<br />
|
|
... curious to hear from others re invited speakers
|
|
mechanism<br />
|
|
... i like it as it helps expose us to ideas outside those
|
|
immediately recommended here<br />
|
|
... the real work we commit to, ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
suggest minor tweak: biweekly neednt be outsiders, but good to
|
|
have substantive technical content periodically (biweekly fine)
|
|
and to volunteer some pipeline</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> DanBRi: One reason I
|
|
like the invited speaker idea is that W3C is often seen as the
|
|
big slow consortium that lumbers along behind the people who
|
|
are doing the real work.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> ... That's not fair
|
|
or true but things like OAuth, Open Social and so on are
|
|
improtant</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> ... but poorly
|
|
connected to the things that W3C does well (accessibility,
|
|
mobile, i18n)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i agree the speaker
|
|
effort pushes the envelope the right direction</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> ... it would be good
|
|
to give other projects a way to bring them into contact with
|
|
what W3C does well</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We could also have
|
|
the task forces meet weekly.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> If people think
|
|
that biweekly doesn't give them enough "work time".</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Note that also I
|
|
was not talking about tutorials.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> ok, if the
|
|
information is available in advance let's regularly review it
|
|
as ciriculum</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> TPA: Most of those
|
|
people have places on the Web that people can look up. I'm not
|
|
sure that it's a good sue of time. We need to focus our effort
|
|
- looking at other peopkle's work is something anyone can do
|
|
any time</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i see your point</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-oauth-minutes">OAuth Project
|
|
Review</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> but also about the
|
|
role of the W3C and standardization in their work.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> This is an example of
|
|
an invited speaker who introduced the concepts of OAuth to W3C
|
|
Staff</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> So, for example,
|
|
tutorials on blogs and video won't talk about accessibility
|
|
issues in OpenSocial :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> DanBri: This is not
|
|
tuorial material. We expect everyone to be able to read up
|
|
before hand. It's 'how does this tech relate to otehr things on
|
|
the Web'</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> ... e.g. hCalendar
|
|
had some accessibility issues</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> so maybe the forum of
|
|
the speaker should be intended to be more interactive than
|
|
traditional talk at you presentations</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> given the short
|
|
time span, and the fact that we are not set out to implement
|
|
anything, getting other experts involved to give their insight
|
|
seems like it would be useful...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'> DanBri: It shouldn't
|
|
necessarily be a regular event - that sounds like a weekly
|
|
conference</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We
|
|
will hold weekly hour-long calls. Every other call will be an
|
|
"invited speaker" call where we will have at least a half-hour
|
|
invited speaker to talk or discuss an external technology or
|
|
project (e.g. Microformats). Speakers to be organized via
|
|
wiki.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> lets call them
|
|
discussions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> +1 to Danbri's
|
|
proposal. It helps to focus on current implementations and then
|
|
stay connected with some commercial constraints and
|
|
realities</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>propose revision, "topical discussion" rather
|
|
than "invited speaker"; the invited person might be on the
|
|
group or not ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +q</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> unmute me</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> but it will be a guided
|
|
discussion with a technical theme, and the group expected to do
|
|
their background reading 1st</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> so the speaker should
|
|
be expected to present reading in advance</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> i'd like to see this
|
|
invited speaker system used to track or fill-in gaps in our
|
|
knowledge<br />
|
|
... not rehash things that we know well already</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 no re-hashing of
|
|
well known information</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 using topical
|
|
discussions to attract things we don't know and platform
|
|
providers</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> to attract more platform
|
|
providers, social networks such as facebook, myspace, ... to
|
|
tell us what they're doing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> yes, and we could also use
|
|
this mechanism to bring in some of the startups in the social
|
|
space<br />
|
|
... eg mobile social startups who are working on innovative
|
|
ideas around social web, ...<br />
|
|
... who may be disconneted from communities of practice around
|
|
both trad standards, but also from oauth, microformats etc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +q</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> and could have as much to
|
|
gain from getting connected here as vice-versa</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>so a different kind of invited speaker</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> since several of our
|
|
orientations is toward privacy or information ownership should
|
|
we slant discussions in that direction?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> we'll go down the lists
|
|
from the charter, but not clear these are the ones who need to
|
|
be invited<br />
|
|
... eg. we don't *need* presentations on foaf, dataportability,
|
|
oauth, ....</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> it isn't to have tutorials
|
|
presented, ... rather how they fit into the social web
|
|
ecosystem ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i think we should
|
|
vote on the topics WE all feel are relevant</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> should we ask someone
|
|
to look into organizing the first topical discussion, and see
|
|
whether that's worth repeating on a regular basis?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> challenging
|
|
discussions are good</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> PhilA, you wanted to
|
|
suggest a slight modification to the resolution</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>phila:</cite> a lot of sympathy with
|
|
what christine says ... not being told about things we need to
|
|
know about ,...<br />
|
|
... but 30 mins sounds quite a long time, ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>quite a long slot in many situations</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We
|
|
will hold weekly hour-long calls. Every other call will be an
|
|
"invited speaker" call where we will have at least a half-hour
|
|
invited speaker to talk/q&a or discuss an external
|
|
technology or project (e.g. Microformats). Speakers to be
|
|
organized via wiki.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>miquel</cite>> 20min including
|
|
discussion, then?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> perhaps timeslot
|
|
length dependent on degree of relevence and complexity of the
|
|
thing being discussed?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 and the presenter
|
|
should submit links for advanced reading</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We
|
|
will hold weekly hour-long calls.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dom:</cite> lets take a decision ... 30
|
|
mins isn't so long</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> + 1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> karl, you wanted to
|
|
talk about reviews by professionals</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>re oauth, an example topic might be: <a href=
|
|
"http://oauth.net/advisories/2009-1">http://oauth.net/advisories/2009-1</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> 15 min makes sense.
|
|
Depends on what the subject is. If we want to hear of people,
|
|
but for them to see what we are doing then, 15min is much
|
|
better 10 minutes even better, it gives the listener 50 minutes
|
|
to see what we are doing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> review ... would be by
|
|
professionals<br />
|
|
... a way to find out if what we're doing is useful. Help to
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focus on writing stuff which can be directly usable by current
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social networks.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Karl, can you scribe that, audio was bit
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muffled</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>miquel</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1 for weekly 1h</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> +1 on weekly hour
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calls</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MaciejJanik</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> +1 weekly 1h</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
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note that some of these external consultations could be purely
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by email or IRC (and that microformats people are very much not
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inclined to phone calls)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> +1 for one hour
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meetings.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1 on weekly hour
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calls</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> re invited speakers, i
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support the idea of trying it out, ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> is there any
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discussion with respect to who the "external groups" should be?
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Or is the current list final</p>
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<p class='phone'>how about ... <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri
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propose an external speakers process</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class="resolution"><cite>resolution:</cite> agreed 1h weekly
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concall</strong></p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Danbri to propose an external speakers
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process to the mailing list [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> we don't have much time
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on telecons, ... so it is very important that we make the
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agenda concise, address needs of the group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> "PROPOSAL"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> useful if we can do as
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much as possible on the list<br />
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... proposals can be technical, editorial, ...<br />
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... or procedural</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> [in general, it is
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indeed a good idea to do as much work as possible on the
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mailing list, esp. on big groups like this one]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we also talked about
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taskforces ... whether to discuss that today<br />
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... likely we'll have some TFs ...<br />
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... predicated on different groups of people on the group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Perhaps people
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could send proposals out to the list?</p>
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<p class='phone'>(yup)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> we did a lot of
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thinking on task forces in February</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> can we please review
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past work on that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> renato has to drop
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out now...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> [I second dom on
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working on the mailing list and not offlist through emails. It
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really helps to engage in shared work.]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> [re taskforces], ... i
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think that there was a lot of effort put into thinking about
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natural taskforces ...<br />
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... based on those at the workshop<br />
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... re-use, or examine, the TFs that were proposed there</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> trying to find that
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link...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://esw.w3.org/topic/UnifiedSocialXG">http://esw.w3.org/topic/UnifiedSocialXG</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Linas</cite>> sorry, I have really
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to leave now, will look at the minutes + mailing-list</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> in process of whittling down
|
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the agenda (charter? -ed) the longer list got dropped
|
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....<br />
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... but valuable work</p>
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<a name=
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"action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Christine send summary of the previous
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XG TF proposals to the list [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> agenda review ...<br />
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... we've covered much of it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> how to manage agenda for
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the next meeting?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Can we organise
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agendas on the Wiki?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> also re docs, editing
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etc., if people want to stay on the call, we can walk through
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some of the technicalities of the wiki etc</p>
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<p class='phone'>i like idea of an agenda-fodder area of the
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wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> +1 to using the wiki
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to organize the agendas</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I've not been able
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to log in to wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page">Social
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Web wiki</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> what about having a
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session for those NEW TO W3C?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> we need a foaf+ssl
|
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enabled wiki :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'>re tutorial session, can we do that but not
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today? it coudl do with some prep i think</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1 foaf+ssl wiki
|
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:)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> bblfish, I have
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FOAF+SSL+OpenID working with MediaWiki's OpenID plugin for a
|
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while.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> who do we email if
|
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our w3c login doesn't work on the wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> s/have/had/
|
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:-(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSAL: Agenda
|
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planning on wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> +1 on agenda-priming on the
|
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wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> wiki log in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jeffs</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> let's make sure that
|
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everybody can get on the wiki!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> E-mail me if your
|
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login doesn't work, and can look into it. Please do provide as
|
|
much details as possible.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>i get, "Login error: Incorrect password
|
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entered. Please try again. "</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> so that would make
|
|
an very useful use case.</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> yeah me too</p>
|
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<p class='phone'>and it upcases danbri to "DanBri" ...</p>
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<p class='phone'>(let's get a few people polished with the
|
|
tools, ...)</p>
|
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|
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> we should be eating our own
|
|
dogfood</p>
|
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> foaf+ssl login to
|
|
wiki ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>(if you know that crude phrase, "practice what
|
|
your preach", "use the techniology you're talking about",
|
|
etc)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Supposedly dog
|
|
food salesmen used to actually eat their own dogfood to
|
|
demonstrate how good it was.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> ...to create a sense of
|
|
community, some kind of online social community eg identi.ca,
|
|
... twitter-like tools ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> it would be nice if
|
|
a blog-post summarized each meeting as well.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>strawman proposal: an identi.ca server, or
|
|
...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://identi.ca/group/swxg">http://identi.ca/group/swxg</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>i did make an identi.ca group, "socialweb" a
|
|
while back, <a href=
|
|
"http://identi.ca/group/socialweb">http://identi.ca/group/socialweb</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> also potential for f2f
|
|
meeting<br />
|
|
... there is a planned TPAC (tech plenary and advisory cottee
|
|
meeting) in california in November</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so you should be
|
|
able to use your "W3C" account and login.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> I believe it wiould
|
|
be welcome, yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dom:</cite> yes, believe that will
|
|
happen</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> TPAC2009: 2-6 November
|
|
2009, Santa Clara Marriott, CA, USA</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> some of us could use that to
|
|
meet f2f<br />
|
|
... and to engage with bay area / san fran tech scene</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> Ning and FB are among
|
|
those that are nearby of course...</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> good plan (for Nov
|
|
face to face meeting)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> do we have f2f before
|
|
then?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> nov is fine</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ideally, we'll have
|
|
drafts of everything by November.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> open stack, e.g.
|
|
plaxo guys mccrea and smarr, could be invited. no, smarr talks
|
|
to fast</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
suggest smaller ad hoc meetings could be likely, and useful</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Q: are there 2 wikis
|
|
? <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page</a>
|
|
and identi.ca?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> identi.ca is not a
|
|
wiki but a microblog (like twitter)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> DanBRi: It's quite
|
|
likely that various members of this group will meet up during
|
|
the year through otehr occasions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> DKA: People should
|
|
self-organise their own meet ups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> plaxo is located
|
|
there as well</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> also, note that this
|
|
IRC channel can be used also outside of teleconferences to help
|
|
sync with others in the group</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> i suppor the idea that ppl
|
|
within the group should self-org their own meetups, get
|
|
togethers etc., .... part of the trend in mobile social
|
|
networking ... is that people use the tech to more efficiently
|
|
meet up in person</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>fwiw I am "danbri" on dopplr.com and happy to
|
|
be linked to other SWXG people on that service</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> cperey, identi.ca is a
|
|
twitter-like messenger service based on laconi.ca open platform
|
|
developed by Evan Prodomou and Robin Millette in Montreal,
|
|
Canada.</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> HarryH to help debug wiki [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>(noting that my openid setup is broken at
|
|
moment due to hacked homepage, so i cannot log into dopplr,
|
|
identi.ca etc :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> 140 chars</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> this week in html5 is
|
|
quite useful</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> URI to
|
|
summary...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> I volunteer</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> for making
|
|
summaries</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> Yes, Harry - but it's
|
|
usually done by the chair ;-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>( i think harary isn't talking about <a href=
|
|
"http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/">http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/</a>
|
|
)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> summary on wiki,
|
|
post uri to identi.ca</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> can we post minutes into the
|
|
wiki?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> seems like an overkill
|
|
to me</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> +1 to Dom</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Well, if someone
|
|
could post a quick summary to the wiki.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> I will create a last
|
|
weekin social network xg</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i think the minutes
|
|
are the minutes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> then we can put the
|
|
URI out.</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1 to Dom, minutes
|
|
look quite noisy.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA</cite>> but the minutes are
|
|
public anyway so it's copying material</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> often there are breaking
|
|
news (eg. some facebook/rss thing)<br />
|
|
... gather key sources (feeds etc)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Anyone wnat to
|
|
volunteer for that?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> i said that about
|
|
facebook. i could repost my twitter stuff (@alexkorth) to
|
|
identi.ca</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We could do reposts
|
|
to a page on the wiki as well...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> mailing list *far*
|
|
preferred, to me</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there's also delicious.com</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> adjourned!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OK, it appears wiki
|
|
has not been setup right.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Nevermind e-mailing
|
|
me.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> It appears to have
|
|
permissions bound not the XG participants, but to W3C members
|
|
only.</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Or perhaps even
|
|
Team Members.</p>
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Sorry, we asked for
|
|
it to be bound to SWXG participants, probably a small switch is
|
|
off somewhere...</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
|
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|
|
</div>
|
|
|
|
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
|
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Christine send
|
|
summary of the previous XG TF proposals to the list [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri suggest
|
|
some names/contacts for other group liaisons [recorded in
|
|
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action02">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Danbri to propose
|
|
an external speakers process to the mailing list [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
|
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