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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>11 Nov 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>+39.011.228.aaaa, +1.785.583.aabb, MacTed, Adam,
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tinkster, rreck, claudio, melvster, DKA, hhalpin,
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+7.717.88.aacc, harry, ??P21</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>SV_MEETING_CHAIR</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Dan, Harry</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-11-11T16:00-17:00GMT</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Report-back on Last week!</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">General Organization</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 11 November
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> very quiet.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> staring Zakim</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> LOL</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> better</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Scribe: Dan</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-11-11T16:00-17:00GMT</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ScribeNick: DKA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Starring Zakim as
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Felicity de Montfort, wealthy heiress to a vast oil fortune...
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but with a dark secret in her past.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 28st October 2009 as a true
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record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: approved
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SWXG WG Weekly -- 28st October 2009 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> There was
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definitely some stuff chatted here.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> think rigo did some of
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the rssagent stuff</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> My IRC client will
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have logged them somewhere.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: to meet
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again Wed. November 18th</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Report-back on Last week!</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/03-swxg-irc">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/03-swxg-irc</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribenick:
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hhalpin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> was in shackles</p>
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<p class='phone'>Tragically, Henry Story was detained by
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immigration officials</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> never to return</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> he's back in europe now but
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had to miss Social Web Camp<br />
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... but nonetheless made a lot of progress last week.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> many thanks to DKA for
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organizing the Social Web Camp</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> good sessions on Social Web
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Camp<br />
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... guy from Salmon Protocol</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (i joined 2 mins ago
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but was off irc)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> talked about FOAF+SSL<br />
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... quite a technical crowd<br />
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... Linden Labs guy<br />
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... good international crowd, Fabien<br />
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... was very helpful.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> john panzer: <a href=
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"http://www.abstractioneer.org/2009/10/salmon-protocol-introducing-salmon.html">
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http://www.abstractioneer.org/2009/10/salmon-protocol-introducing-salmon.html</a></p><a name="action01"
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id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to send notes to camp to Social
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Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-105
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- Send notes to camp to Social Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org [on
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Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-11-18].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> On Tuesday, we had a very
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productive XG meeting.<br />
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... TimBL participated most of the day on Tuesday<br />
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... focus on use-cases<br />
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... fleshed out provenance social networks and provenance<br />
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... managing relationships<br />
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... moving data<br />
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... we added user-stories<br />
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... take-down<br />
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... pretty happy with work we have done</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (all sounds v fun,
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sorry i couldn't make the trip)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> these stories differentiate
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us quite a bit from other inputs<br />
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... didn't get into architecture that much<br />
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... did have some discussion around architecture<br />
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... self-proclaimed piece of software<br />
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... timbl would want us to think about it from a linked data
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perspective<br />
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... our use-cases determine social networks as we know them
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today<br />
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... but we can merge that with a linked data
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approach.</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to write-up output of XG meeting
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next Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-106
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- Write-up output of XG meeting next Tuesday [on Daniel
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Appelquist - due 2009-11-18].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> can or should the
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output of the camp be put on the eventbrite site? or on our w3c
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wiki page?</p>
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<p class='phone'>both I think!</p>
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<p class='phone'>or at least linked.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> some back pages</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> All work done in wiki<br />
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... panel went well<br />
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... thanks to Adam, David, Fabien<br />
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... David clarify why OWF and PortableContacts happening
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outside W3C<br />
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... W3C lots of talk about opening up, extending XG
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process<br />
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... lots of work there</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> tech plenary agenda
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with link to slides: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/PlenaryAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/PlenaryAgenda</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> ian jacobs and other talked
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to david after panel.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> are david's slides
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around?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> david ended on a slide of
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why Facebook should join W3C?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> i haven't seen them
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out there danbri</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> reminded me of why Google
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joined w3c</p>
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<p class='phone'>I believe Facebook and W3C are in talks now re
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joining.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> Kevin Marks talking about
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OpenStack</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> interesting question
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of whether to present it as a duty (for those that make
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millions from the Web); vs a biz opportunity</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (or some awkward
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combination of both)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick: DKA</p>
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<h3 id="item03">General Organization</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/PlenaryAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/PlenaryAgenda</a>
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- tech plenary agenda from last week - no link for David's
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slides yet - I will ping Ian or someone...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Dan</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick: DKA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> next week open</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> 1+ "finish"
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userstories</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> for
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user-stories</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> We're getting to the point
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where we can start writing the final report.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i'll try to take a
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look at final report structure, and with chasing up the widgets
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stuff ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i dont mind
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helping</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i think having
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co-chairs edit is fine for an xg</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> so long as we push
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other things to companion docs</p><a name="action03" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
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summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
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knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><a name="action04"
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id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
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describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
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they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> at a lower level
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zakim sucks</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Adam to
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write up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p><a name="action06"
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id="action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtuffied
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to put up wiki page about social networks deploying these
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technologies. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i just think zakim
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could be a little more forgiving</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> [Introducing Elias
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Bizannes from Data-Portability.org]<br />
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... Can you introduce Data-Portability.org?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> move to agendum
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25</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> move to agendum
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24</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> The long-term goal is
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putting the focus on policy, education.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick:
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hhalpin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Scribe: Harry</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> dataportability.org has
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evolved into a user based organization<br />
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... to standardize the language end-users see across social
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networks<br />
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... the form it would take<br />
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... would be specific relationships with companies<br />
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... that could then use EULA<br />
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... so that the companies take specific committments<br />
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... provided that, say, APIs are documented and in public<br />
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... we understand that companies are in different
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situations<br />
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... that this will be most effective way of getting data
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portability off the ground</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> it was very hard to
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hear him</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> do you deal with
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privacy? when are these done?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> We do care about
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privacy<br />
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... but we aren't dealing with the specific technologies</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we have been discussing the
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fact that people aren't reading licenses</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> so we're working on basic
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rights<br />
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... but it states what we think people are entitled to</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> related work
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elsewhere: <a href=
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"http://opensocialweb.org/2007/09/05/bill-of-rights/">http://opensocialweb.org/2007/09/05/bill-of-rights/</a>
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(Authored by Joseph Smarr, Marc Canter, Robert Scoble, and
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Michael Arrington) "A Bill of Rights for Users of the Social
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Web"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.dataportability.org/">http://www.dataportability.org/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> basically helps user
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understand the landscape of options<br />
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... we want it to be machine readable using RDF</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> any connection to
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jsmarr's work?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> we will consider it it's
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good but we want something we can deploy more options, not just
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one</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> not quite
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everyone</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'>did I just drop?</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA, could you ask the question</p>
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<p class='phone'>"How Can W3C Help a group like
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DataPortability.org?"</p>
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<p class='phone'>I'll be back in a sec...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: Best think W3C
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could do is to give some honest feedback on the work...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: We want more
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smart people....</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> good question</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> DKA: What's the
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participation model?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: The way the
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project work is through task forces - work by consensus...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: Off of IIW we
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have 15 people who have shown interested in participation in
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some way.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: Best way to get
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involved is to contact me. We need to take these drafts into a
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more formal document..</p>
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<p class='phone'>We need precise URIs to review the document,
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or access to Google Docs of course.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> DKA: is there any
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costs?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> DKA: If I wanted to
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launch a SN tomorrow with the DP trustmark what do I need to
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do?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: We are a
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Non-profit. The governance model of the project is voluntary
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based with no membership fees. Fully transparent.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: We don't need
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money. We don't have an incentive to get a memebrship model
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with fees.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: In terms of
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using the logo and the EULA work there will be no cost...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> very cool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
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hhalpin</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>UNKNOWN_SPEAKER:</cite> is there a
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compliance mechanism?<br />
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... how can transfer it easily?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> DKA: Is there a
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compliance mechanism / GPL-like requirements on the use of the
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logo / EULA?</p>
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<p class='phone'>it's their incentive to do the truth</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> our branding is
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minimized</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Elias: We have worried
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about this - we don't want our brand to be misused.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> we just want the company
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itself to do open disclosure</p>
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<p class='phone'>no real final questions from me.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> do we have any specific
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networks that are signed up?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> We've been hiding away,
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not drawing attention to it.<br />
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... we're had some dialogue<br />
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... mostly informal</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> is the eula url
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handy?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Elias:</cite> we have lots of
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relationships with prominent vendors.<br />
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... IIW wants to support our work<br />
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... it will take a few years</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://wiki.dataportability.org/display/dpmain/EULA+and+ToS+template">
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http://wiki.dataportability.org/display/dpmain/EULA+and+ToS+template</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>happy to close call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> we can harry is
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talking but that is about it</p>
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<p class='phone'>sorry, phone went flaky</p>
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<p class='phone'>thanks Elias!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i wish i could have
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heard a little better</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> bye all</p>
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<p class='phone'>no problem with minutes!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thanks all, bye
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too</p>
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<p class='phone'>no, it's not headset, it's a new ubuntu
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install :(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> lol ... should we take
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up a collection for that ;)</p>
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<p class='phone'>trackbot, end meeting</p>
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</div>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to send notes
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to camp to Social Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to write-up
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output of XG meeting next Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write
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up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
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summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
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knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
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describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
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change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to
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put up wiki page about social networks deploying these
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technologies. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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