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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>21 Oct 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Thomas, rreck, DKA, hhalpin, MacTed, c, tpa,
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tinkster, lalana, oshani, mischat_, Mcf,
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, petef, lshepard, davidrecordon,
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+1.650.796.aajj, davidecordon, pchampin</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>DKA</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>tpa, oshani</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-10-21T15:00-17:00Z</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">General Organization</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Invited Guest Invitations</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">User Stories</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">Final Report</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">Invited Speaker: David Recordon and
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Luke Shepard from Facebook</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 21 October
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> cant put one past you
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can we Zakim?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> I may be worse than
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your worst other option.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: tpa</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I can take over
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from Tim.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> #6 on the agenda
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is from last week.</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-10-21T15:00-17:00Z</h3>
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<p class='phone'>either was is fine</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> roll call, comments
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on the agenda.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 14th October 2009 as a true
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record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 14th October 2009 as a true
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record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to meet
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again Wed. October 28th</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 proposed to meet
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again</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Joseph Smarr of
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Plaxo, and PortableContacts (XML and API for contacts that used
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by OpenSocial) will be presenting on his work.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Joseph from Plaxo (&
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Portable contacts) will be there</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: to meet
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again Wed. October 28th</p>
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<h3 id="item02">General Organization</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> hello all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://barcamp.org/SocialWebCamp-Santa-Clara">http://barcamp.org/SocialWebCamp-Santa-Clara</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>??: we put the page live for TPAC, late last
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week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thx tinkster</p>
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<p class='phone'>…we already have 28 signups, which is good</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> wow, 28 people signed
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up is great</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> more tweeting, more
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blogging!</p>
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<p class='phone'>…we need to do some more evangelism about the
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event, get some more people engaged</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'>…some good people showing up, start-up people,
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social web notables, etc.</p>
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<p class='phone'>…we need to organize the time a little bit so
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we have a least a framework organization</p>
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<p class='phone'>…usually you'd start a barcamp with a blank
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schedule</p>
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<p class='phone'>…but I want to organize it a bit more, have a
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panel at the top of the day</p>
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<p class='phone'>…get a technology, social & user
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perspective. And also a business perspective</p>
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<p class='phone'>…what does the social web means as a
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“disruptive force” because that's integral to the whole story
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here</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> nice msg from Evan
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Prodromou (our identica/statusnet guest recently): "I'm very
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excited about this event; we'll have StatusNet Inc. staff
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there, and hopefully some of the other devs in the area will be
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able to attend."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> ... tpa: social web
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camp in Paris was productive</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> DKA: how many people
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were there?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> hehe</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> tpa: it was full,
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and lot of ppl were confused about what social web meant</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think 60 people
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turned up</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, one needs a
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bit of an introduction, otherwise the conversation goes all
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over the place. One needs to have an intro that puts everyone
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on the same level.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> DKA - maybe throw
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the link out there in IRC?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> for
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structuring?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> DKA: Feel free to
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edit the agenda for the TPAC. We have many sessions including a
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coding session</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> tpa: don't think
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it's a venue to code, and it's better to have less
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structure</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> DKA: like to have a
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more detailed discussion on this</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TPACSchedule">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TPACSchedule</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: oshani</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> moving to TPAC and
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IIW</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> w3.org</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Review of
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code-bases (Elgg, riseup.net, daisycha.in)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> hhalpin: John said we
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were too far ahead of time to talk about w3.org implementing
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social web stuff</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: oshani</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: tpa</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>… I'd just like to make sure that we have the
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relevant codebase covered to implement social networking
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features at w3.org</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I will go</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Another point is that we
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had a request for XG people to come to IIW (Internet Identity
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Workshop)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> me to</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> but yes, I should
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put my name down</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hajon!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> David is speaking again
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on the social web at TPAC, maybe on a panel with DKA</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> whatever is best for
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TPAC</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mischa to
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write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> and Kevin ?? is going to
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do the Developer Day</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> tinkster to
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summarize Evan's talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><a name="action03"
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id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
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summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
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knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><a name="action04"
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id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
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describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
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they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> if people from this
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group want to go IIWS then you have to be there 8:30am to get a
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slot on Wednesday</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> if you want to go
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there Tuesday you need to speak to identity woman now, as that
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will be a structured day, and there are not many slots
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available</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Adam to
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write up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> is anybody on the call made
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a decision to come out that week</p><a name="action06" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtuffied
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to put up wiki page about social networks deploying these
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technologies. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> TPAC registration ends
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in two days</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> i'll be at the bar
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camp and tpac through thursday</p><a name="action07" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> hhalpin to
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make agenda for TPAC Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item03">Invited Guest Invitations</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> i'll be at tpac
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tuesday, IIW rest of the week</p><a name="action08" id=
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"action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri to
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find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p><a name="action09"
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id="action09"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
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book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Invited
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Guests</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtiffiel
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to invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social
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media [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'>… we need to get someone to talk about
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Widgets</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i had a nice starter
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thread going, ... will ping people for dates</p><a name=
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"action11" id="action11"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> petef to look
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into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina. [recorded in
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We should prefer
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later.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> hi davidrecordon</p>
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<p class='phone'>… Chris Messina is available November 4th</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> hey!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> And Joseph Smarr is
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next week.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> just dialed
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in too :)</p>
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<p class='phone'>… we should prefer later as this is in the
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middle of TPAC</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think we shouldn't have a
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talk that week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> happy to cancel that
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call</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> yep</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: Cancel
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Call Nov 4th?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> +!</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: Call
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cancel Nov 4th.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> someone is making
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clicking noises</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> hhalpin: I have
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put a first pass at summarising the XMPP talk : <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> hhalpin: i will
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edit it tonight and polish off the language.</p>
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<h3 id="item04">User Stories</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Oshani - Henry
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let's do a separate telecon next week to get this done for TPAC
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and IIW.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> the user cases?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>lshepard</cite>> (this is luke from
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facebook) 773-742 is mine, not sure where that sound came from
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as it's really quiet here</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes. good. Sorry
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been taken up 100% on Social Web Camp</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> Zakam, aahh
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is really davidrecordon</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> hhalpin: i have
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also contacted the BBC, am trying to find someone suitable to
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talk about BBC's reporting of the IranElection's via social
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media, hopefully I will get through to someone soon</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> let's move on to
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David</p>
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<h3 id="item05">Final Report</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> I might be
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mooted though :P</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> *muted</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> ok tinkster will
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google and look into it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Someone's riding a
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horse?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> david i think</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> david, there are
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clippety clop noises in the b/g</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> me too, its too
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quiet</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> thank danbri</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> thanks</p>
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<h3 id="item06">Invited Speaker: David Recordon and Luke
|
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Shepard from Facebook</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> let me switch
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phones</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> while luke
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introduces himself</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> yay this is
|
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better</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> really happy to be here,
|
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thanks for inviting us</p>
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<p class='phone'>… I worked on Facebook Connect and a lot of
|
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OpenID stuff</p>
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<p class='phone'>… both the relying partners and identity
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provider side</p>
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<p class='phone'>… mostly interested today in answering your
|
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questions or finding what you're interested in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> ... also
|
|
interested in OAuth in activity streams stuff ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> much more
|
|
clear!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> we're very excited
|
|
to be here</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'>… we focused on OpenID and OAuth and those
|
|
areas at Facebook</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'>… we can both talk about OpenID and OAuth have
|
|
been developed, but with Chris Messina & others coming
|
|
on</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… it would make more sense for us to talk
|
|
about our stance on privacy, identity</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> feel free to jump
|
|
in when you want</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'>… but when we think about web standards, we
|
|
ran into some challenges</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… we move extremely quickly from an
|
|
engineering perspective</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'>… a lot of things done by very few people</p>
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|
<p class='phone'>… teams of 2-3 people (or less)</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… Luke did OpenID himself</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… we have really small teams working by
|
|
themselves</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'>… To balance this, we try to think about how
|
|
to be involved in Standardization efforts</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> When we did things
|
|
like Facebook connect, we were really trying to go fast, find
|
|
partners, iterate</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> notes that this
|
|
continual iteration is not built into W3C right now...but we
|
|
could recommend that in our final report.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… in contrast standards efforts take a lot of
|
|
time (we understand why, we appreciate that)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… but the challenges we face as a company were
|
|
how to go at this quickly and iteratively</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> one thing the XG is
|
|
doing is to write a report to the W3C and all member, advisory
|
|
board</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> lite.facebook.com has
|
|
apparently cached email messages i previously deleted</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… including: “here's what the W3C could do to
|
|
make its process more lightweight and more appealing to social
|
|
web people, etc.”</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… we would love to flag this</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… ie: the process being a problem for Facebook
|
|
to join in</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> when we look at
|
|
OpenID, OAuth, ActivityStreams, you notice that it took them
|
|
just a few years or less to get implemented by a major
|
|
company</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>for ActivityStreams, just a few months</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> we need to get to
|
|
a point where people feel safe about specifications to ship
|
|
them</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> tpa: and that
|
|
with each one the time from start to shipping a draft on a
|
|
really large site is decreasing with each specification</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> my only experience with
|
|
standards is OpenID and OAuth but yes, it was definitely useful
|
|
to have expectations of things being drafted and changing often
|
|
but moving quickly</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… ?? … Part of this is a cultural thing, it is
|
|
sometimes better to do something ourselves rather than violate
|
|
specifications</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
ask what level of interop (eg. descriptive schemas) you look
|
|
for with OpenSocial</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… It helps us adapt to new challenges</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> clearly adhering to a
|
|
spec takes increased resource and effort</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if I could jump in briefly,
|
|
and reiterate: one of the things we're going to try to do here
|
|
it make recommendations</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… about how the W3C could be more involved in
|
|
the lanscape of all of the standards</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> notes that this is
|
|
when privacy comes in.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… we are try to list and catalog the things
|
|
that are done out there</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… and ask the questions for each, is this
|
|
something we should try to bring inside the W3C, or next steps
|
|
that should be done inside the W3C</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… basically, how the W3C could help build this
|
|
Social Web world</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> we're on a fact-finding
|
|
mission</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> mischat: thanks
|
|
again</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… people say “how, the W3C will come in and
|
|
offer me this big plan”</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… but the W3C is offering a lot of things</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… Widgets, social APIs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> my question was about
|
|
OpenSocial<br />
|
|
... do you see a value in bringing Facebook Platform and
|
|
OpenSocial towards convergence</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> yes, definitely I was
|
|
working on a platform when OpenSocial came out</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> particular q, is
|
|
whether schema convergence might be cheaper/easier than
|
|
protocol convergence</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> between facebook
|
|
platform and opensocial platform</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… at that time we were moving away from the
|
|
direction OS was taking</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… at this point things are moving very quickly
|
|
and I'm a big fan of standards, it's just a question of how to
|
|
get there, but in time, yes, it'll be one big thing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> the questions is
|
|
how can the W3C develop stuff like OpenSocial</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/">http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… or other stuff like webfinger or salmon</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> the other things
|
|
is what about Facebook Platform and OS together</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> davidrecordon - do you
|
|
have a URL for that?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… people are looking for standards but also
|
|
for the organization to get out of the way and let them do
|
|
their stuff</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… there's a wiki, a mailing list, a svn
|
|
repository</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://salmon-protocol.org/">http://salmon-protocol.org/</a>
|
|
?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/10/proposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html">
|
|
http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/10/proposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… the problem the OWF is trying to tackle is
|
|
Intellectual Property</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… and the next thing we're working on is
|
|
letting people withdraw and vote</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… basically it's much easier if the process is
|
|
not codified?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> what you do with the
|
|
foundation and make sure you have the paperwork, ensure the
|
|
companies don't mess it all up :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> for those efforts
|
|
to be successful, they have to have corporate involvment</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… from companies like Google, MS, Yahoo,
|
|
MySpace</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… it is a challenge; how do you involve people
|
|
outside of the Bay Area?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>… the social web standards tend to come from
|
|
the same people but that's by accident</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.salmon-protocol.org/">http://www.salmon-protocol.org/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> scribe:oshani</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I guess your
|
|
talking about the "my name isn't accepted" by the software.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> ?? If the Social
|
|
platforms we build keep the schema piece separate we won't have
|
|
a problem involving people from around the world</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: oshani</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> lot of efforts don't come
|
|
from the international side<br />
|
|
... separation happening in open social<br />
|
|
... Activity streams have a separate spec</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> sounds a bit like
|
|
RDF</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> taxomies for
|
|
verbs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Luke:</cite> FB platform has lot of intl
|
|
involvement<br />
|
|
... opensocial is also the same<br />
|
|
... so even though they started in the bay area, but they've
|
|
grown</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>lshepard</cite>> hhalpin: there was
|
|
a lot of discussion re: rdf, but activitystreams is considered
|
|
easier to implement</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> what do you see as a
|
|
useful role of the W3C in this area?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> bingo</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> what are missing around
|
|
policy, privacy and provenance from a tech level?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> when working with
|
|
large groups the W3C process is appropriate<br />
|
|
... useful to think of "identitiy" and "verified identity"</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so sort of web of
|
|
trust issues...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> enable trust using the
|
|
platform</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> i met some people
|
|
which are trying to use your social graph to enable online IOUs
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.checkoutlater.com/">http://www.checkoutlater.com/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> IMHO, peoples'
|
|
identity are instantiations of a role</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> interesting
|
|
thought, rreck :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> lot of annoymous things
|
|
on the Web can be done using FB connect</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> people are
|
|
multifaceted right? at least complex people are</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> and who else would
|
|
be in the IRC?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> FB links and
|
|
mutual comments can socially verify idenities</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> cool, that fits
|
|
with foaf+ssl identify verification</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> that makes a lot of
|
|
sense (socially verified, ....)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> sounds a bit like
|
|
web of trust</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> sounds a bit like
|
|
the web ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> in real life you have
|
|
contextual cues you dont have online</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yep, foaf+ssl uses
|
|
little pieces of verified information to make identity
|
|
decisions, just like Facebook. What is missing with OpenId is
|
|
the social network part</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> socially verified
|
|
identities using soft cues (mutual connections) which users can
|
|
make decision whether they can trust or not</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> presenting valence on
|
|
the attribute rather than a +/- might be a strategy</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Adam:</cite> mutual friends can induce
|
|
not-intended friendship relationships. From a business pov it
|
|
is important</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> lot of orgs are working
|
|
on that.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> like to talk about
|
|
our challenges from FB<br />
|
|
... privacy and trust<br />
|
|
... moving to a per object privacy model</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> me too</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 stay longer</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> I'm good
|
|
:)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> over time WFM</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I know the W3C is
|
|
looking at this "policy language" idea in this area</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> the relationships on
|
|
fb are reciprocal but in real life that is not necessarily the
|
|
case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> for each user we want
|
|
to model privacy for each different fields based on the
|
|
relationship between individuals</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> seems like some
|
|
sort of round-trip would be necessary for per object
|
|
privacy...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> ah, stpeter, I
|
|
could I email you a link to my summary of your talk, so you can
|
|
eyeball it?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> but the overhead
|
|
there might be really high...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>lshepard:</cite> activity streams will
|
|
have different views based on who's viewing it</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> mischat_: sure
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thing, my pleasure</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> thanks stpeter</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/policy-ws/cfp.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/policy-ws/cfp.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> mischat_: but how
|
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do you know that this stpeter is the stpeter who gave a talk?
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;-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> "W3C Workshop on
|
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Access Control Application Scenarios"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> mischat_: IRC
|
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doesn't have strong identity :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I know this is
|
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TimBL's main research area, oshani and lalana could speak to
|
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it..</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> your IP address
|
|
points to your stpeter.im ;)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> if we could
|
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standardize on vocabulary it would be a start</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> like you said in
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your talk, IRC allows for IP address snooping</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> mischat_: heh,
|
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true, that's probably good enough</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> rreck: agreed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> stpeter, NickServ
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provides a reasonable level of identity on some IRC
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servers.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> ?q</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Is FB thinking of how to
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distribute social networks?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I bet a paper from
|
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Facebook on this problem would be very much appreciated. Both
|
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how it's tackled and the interop issue.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is there any
|
|
thinking at Facebook on how to distribute social networks? So
|
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that all sites could work using a similar mechanism of trust,
|
|
but in a distributed way, where I can put my profile on my home
|
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page and link to someone on Facebook?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/P3P/">http://www.w3.org/P3P/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> can use FB
|
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connect</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> google seem to be
|
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touching in this direction : <a href=
|
|
"http://www.dataliberation.org/">http://www.dataliberation.org/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> interacting with
|
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other social networks is not really straightforward<br />
|
|
... need to understand what the interactions are</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Would you like to look
|
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over our final report and comment?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> I'm on the phone
|
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too, but not officially logged in I suppose :)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> in about 6 months</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> in general? re
|
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OWF?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> What is your opinion
|
|
about the W3C patent policy?</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> I think it would be
|
|
helpful for each of the speakers who've come through here could
|
|
read and comment on the "manifesto"</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We will definitely
|
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send it to everybody and the list.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/">http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> hhalpin: cool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I mean, it doesn't
|
|
exist yet. In fact, if *someone* wants to take editorship that
|
|
would be great.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so people don't say
|
|
have to do a full patent search or talk to a lawyer just to
|
|
interact with a draft.</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I would assume</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> hhalpin: yes, that
|
|
someone would receive great praise, I'm sure :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hint hint anyone
|
|
:)</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> editorship of
|
|
what?</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> zakim++</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 to somehow
|
|
having these tools in a central place.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Just wondering if
|
|
there was something obviously wrong, but if not...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i like idea of
|
|
collab around *tools* as a healthy and de-politicised way for
|
|
all these different standard-y communities to collaborate</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> We prefer a more
|
|
iterative model (where everyone's involved is bound to the
|
|
policy ?)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i think consensus
|
|
sometimes degrades implementation</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/News/2007.html#entry-4690">http://www.w3.org/News/2007.html#entry-4690</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> there's the news on
|
|
REX.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ( stpeter, is there
|
|
something bad in something in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/38482/showCommitments">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/38482/showCommitments</a>
|
|
)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ah thx</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> it's strange,
|
|
having everyone bound makes it hard for companies to
|
|
participate from the start</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> so dealing
|
|
with it in the end is nicer, if you don't have to worry about
|
|
withdrawl</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> assuming
|
|
everyone is working under good intentions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> it would be good to
|
|
get our lawyer thinking about this.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Rigo should be at
|
|
OpenID summit or IIW I think...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> but yes, "no worry
|
|
about withdrawal" is perfect.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> from a corporate perspective
|
|
patent policies are good</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> the conversation has
|
|
kinda left what i wanted to say</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> clarification on
|
|
the earlier point: a lightweight process is preferred</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> we would have liked
|
|
to use REX for doing SVG over XMPP, but were prevented from
|
|
doing so</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i'd like to see w3c
|
|
be more of a community of peers, where bad-players get named
|
|
and shamed by other participating members a bit more</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> danbri +1
|
|
:)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> danbri +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> w3c team can't
|
|
name-and-shame easily, because of the member fees aspect making
|
|
it tricky to be rude to the paying members; but other members
|
|
shouldn't be so restricted!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I just wanted to
|
|
know how OWF was planning on doing legal differently than W3C,
|
|
and if there should be some knowledge sharing on this between
|
|
W3C and OWF.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
ask about hosting user-owned domains within social networks
|
|
(music.danbri.org vs last.fm/danbri; photos.danbri.org vs
|
|
flickr.com/danbri; id.danbri.org fs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>lshepard</cite>> hey everyone i'm
|
|
signing off - just realized i have a meeting to get to, so i'm
|
|
going to have to sign off. thanks a ton for having us on and i
|
|
look forward to seeing the manifesto when this comes out</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tlr</cite>> re CSS:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tlr</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/32061/status">http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/32061/status</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks luke!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tlr</cite>> note that patents were
|
|
*disclosed*, but no claims *excluded*</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> yes, thanks
|
|
lshephard!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (sorry, didn't mean
|
|
to go into patent blackhole, but happy to see the conversation
|
|
going in way danbri's pointing)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> patent policies
|
|
needs to be more transparent</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> right, no biggy.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> W3C is not monolithic,
|
|
and there are different working styles in different groups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> and here we also see
|
|
the potential trouble with name-and-shame.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> (very loud) "they
|
|
did a bad thing!" "well, no, here's what actually happened."
|
|
(quietly) "oh." (but how many people heard the correction and
|
|
acknowledgement?)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> false rumors turn
|
|
into "accepted truth" with disconcerting frequency -- even with
|
|
visible public record of *actual* events.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we could also talk
|
|
about membership mode.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> membership
|
|
model.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> social verification:
|
|
based on what you see on the profile</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> well that is a
|
|
tipping point thing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> if they are
|
|
pre-established</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> danbri the
|
|
hyper-conntected alpha-geek :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> have you considered the
|
|
chat on the site? or a Turing chat? :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> or even it is
|
|
difficult to pretent you are someone else, because if you tweet
|
|
information for yourself, or write anything, it is difficult to
|
|
be accurate about someone else's life.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Truth is coherent,
|
|
and life is complex. So both of those together make it easy for
|
|
friends to notice fakes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> why was that feature
|
|
removed?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I remember just
|
|
lacking time to fill it in a lot!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> right I have to go
|
|
now, am moving house tomorrow, and have to head back, bye all
|
|
!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> adding metadata to
|
|
the relationship links for more social verifications</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> basically,
|
|
combining stuff like microformats and rdfa (stuff search
|
|
engines can find) with protocol exchange for more secure
|
|
points.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i have another call
|
|
too</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> I have to go
|
|
too</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> of for
|
|
authorization and authentication one can use something like
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/sketch_of_a_restful_photo">http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/sketch_of_a_restful_photo</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> do you expect to see user
|
|
owned domains hosted by social networking sites?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss">http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>davidrecordon:</cite> will it be easy
|
|
for people to move stuff from their domains to SNs?<br />
|
|
... this is not something that lot of users ask for</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks david!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i wish we could</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>thank you davidrecordon and lshepard</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thanks a lot</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> thanks for a great
|
|
talk</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> just want you to
|
|
know there are folks in w3 who are very
|
|
pro-OpenID/OpenSocial/OAuth/PortableContacts etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>davidrecordon</cite>> thanks all of
|
|
you!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thankd david for
|
|
coming along, sorry for the huge jumble of interconnected
|
|
questions :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> bye</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> bye</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> bubye</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> bye¨</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> trackbot, end
|
|
meeting</p>
|
|
</div>
|
|
|
|
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
|
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write
|
|
up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
|
|
book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
|
|
find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
|
|
summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
|
|
knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
|
|
describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
|
|
change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to
|
|
write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to
|
|
invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to
|
|
put up wiki page about social networks deploying these
|
|
technologies. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<br />
|
|
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make
|
|
agenda for TPAC Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look
|
|
into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina. [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tinkster to
|
|
summarize Evan's talk [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
|
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<br />
|
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