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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>08 Apr 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Silvia, Raphael, Yves, Jack, Davy, Erik</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Michael, Conrad</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Silvia</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">ADMIN</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Upcoming F2F Meeting in
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Barcelona:</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">action review</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 08 April
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Silvia</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> scribenick:
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nessy</p>
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<h3 id="item01">ADMIN</h3>
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<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 01st
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April 2009 telecon:</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Upcoming F2F Meeting in Barcelona:</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> no teleconf next week
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but F2F on Thu & Fri<br />
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... no teleconf the week after F2F because of WWW conf<br />
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... next teleconf is on 29th April<br />
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... any objections?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> no objections</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> this hour is more
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convenient for Silvia & Conrad</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we keep this hour</p>
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<p class='phone'>Agenda building</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ThirdF2FAgenda">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ThirdF2FAgenda</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will assume until 2pm it
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is reasonable to have Silvia on phone<br />
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... will make proposal to put discussion points into time
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slots<br />
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... a discussion on each section of the WD</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> suggestion to have another
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HTTP 2-way / 4-way discussion to get Conrad's input<br />
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... wants to be present for that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> is planned and will take
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place in the morning</p>
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<h3 id="item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> go through section per
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section and distribute actions<br />
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... Introduction</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> volunteers to write the
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introduction</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> nessy to write introduction [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - nessy</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to write introduction [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-58
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- Write introduction [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-04-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> discussion on order of
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the first three sections</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Silvia: i need to
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revisit the framework, side conditions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... re: issue with
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transcoding</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... this should go
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first</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... and then talk
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about the use cases and scenarios and ultimately, the
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dimensions</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> if requirements move
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up, we need something that gets people in the right frame of
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mind</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: put the
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requirements first might break the flow of the reading</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> most sections are still
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independent blocks<br />
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... we need lead-over text<br />
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... introduction will set the stage, requirements set the
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framework</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> maybe move use cases into
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appendix</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> use cases are core to
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the understanding or our challenges and provide motivation for
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the dimensions<br />
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... might be interesting to move the "requirements" up - might
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be renamed to "side conditions"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> agrees to move up "side
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conditions"<br />
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... requirements are really section 5</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> new order is 1, 2, 4, 3,
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5<br />
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... rename 4 -> side conditions<br />
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... rename 5 -> requirements</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> agree</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> agree</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> what about typical UC
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per axis (temporal/spatial/track/named) to get the reader
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acquainted with the problems (and special cases to
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appendix)?</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to make these changes and other
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changes to sections 1-5 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-59
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- Make these changes and other changes to sections 1-5 [on
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Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-04-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'>raphael will make structural changes to WD
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directly after the teleconf</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> silvia can then work on
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it when she has time</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> there are a lot of use
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cases and it may be interesting to move some to appendix</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Erik: i wonder if
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the individual use cases should be ordered differently,
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following the various dimensions: time, space, track, name</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Silvia: I think it
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is better to group them as they are, by functionality</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> they make for fast reading
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and need to be part of the reading flow</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> what about moving the
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out-of-scope cases into a separate section</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I like it that the use
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cases are ordered by usage<br />
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... problem is that there are so many and they slow down
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reading speed<br />
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... 17 different use cases may be too much detail</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> original charter had 2
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documents - a use cases & requirements ... and a technology
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document<br />
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... we now have all in one document<br />
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... we can later split documents again if it is too much to
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read<br />
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... can discuss at F2F<br />
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... should leave it for now<br />
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... so we have the current status together in a single
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document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> ok leave it as is</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> agree</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> section 5<br />
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... replace the numbers with req-xx<br />
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... and move the table to an appendix</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: replace
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the 1,2,3 in the fitness table by human readable labels: fit,
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partial, etc.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> instead of having the table
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5.5, it makes more sense to list the types of capabilities
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containers have</p>
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<p class='phone'>nessy to add a note to the table & running
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text that we ask people for input to the table to complete
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it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Silvia: add also an
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editorial note in the main text to warn the commnity we need
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their input to complete this table</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> I will add these
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changes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> section 6<br />
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... improved heaps</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> if we should move stuff to
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appendix, we can live with that<br />
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... table in 6.3 still needs heaps of input</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> MPEG-7 has track
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references</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> HTML5 should be removed,
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since it will do whatever we define<br />
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... replace "temporal URI" with "temporal URI/Ogg" to include
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the track addressing, to<br />
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... "Annodex" would be correct, too, but "temporal URI" is the
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best known spec out of this</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> should section 6 be
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moved down in the document, so we can get specifications
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first?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> I can live with that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> I will move this section
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down and do all structural changes on document directly after
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the meeting before anyone else will edit again</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> editorial suggestion - 6.2
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is formatted completely different from 6.1<br />
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... formatting of 6.1 is great - could we apply it to 6.2 ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> will make
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changes</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> erik to apply changes to section 6
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-60
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- Apply changes to section 6 [on Erik Mannens - due
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2009-04-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> section 7<br />
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... in section 7.3 we stop talking about fragments, but talk
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about sections or segments<br />
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... 7.3 needs an introductory note</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I will create an
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introductory note and explain that it can be either a fragment
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or a query<br />
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... we need some standard terminology</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> do we call it dimensions
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or axis</p>
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<p class='phone'>general consensus on "dimension</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> do we prefer "temporal"
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over "time" - "spatial" over "space" - "named" over
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"name"?<br />
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... track will stay track</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> all others become
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"temporal", "spatial", "named"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I tend to use "clipping"
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for temporal and "cropping" for spatial<br />
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... is that a good idea or should we just use one?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> "clipping" has a different
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implication for audio ... maybe "cutting"?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> but we use "audio clip"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> ok, fair enough</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> 7.4 might need more
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structure ... but how<br />
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... is still very incomplete<br />
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... need to continue collecting semantic issues</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Semantic issue:
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> restructure when we have a
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more complete collection</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> suggestion to add a note
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to the section explaining the need to contribute more semantic
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issues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> ok, will do</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> section 8<br />
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... Yves pointed out that 4-way contained errors</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> did not understand from
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temporal URI where the resolution of time-bytes happens</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> I will go back and read
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that section again and make sure the 4-way is correctly
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specified</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia and conrad to review 4-way
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handshake specification [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-61
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- And conrad to review 4-way handshake specification [on Silvia
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Pfeiffer - due 2009-04-15].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> and I note that there
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is still a discussion on the ML ;)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> should reply be 204 in
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initial handshake for 4-way handshake</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> if you're sending content,
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then no</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> that is missing in the
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specification</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> header is being sent in
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first handshake</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> in 2-way handshake this may
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be missing, too - but it's more complicated</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> silvia & conrad -
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please make changes in wiki ... I will then sync the wiki with
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the WD myself</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> ok</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-55?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-55 -- Yves
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Lafon to change the formal grammar to have 'percent' spelled --
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due 2009-04-08 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/55">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/55</a></p>
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<h3 id="item04">action review</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-55</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-55 Change
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the formal grammar to have 'percent' spelled closed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-56?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-56 -- Yves
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Lafon to change the formal grammar to have unreserved
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characters + %-escaped ones in utf8string and _not_ a set of
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pchars -- due 2009-04-08 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/56">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/56</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-56</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-56 Change
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the formal grammar to have unreserved characters + %-escaped
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ones in utf8string and _not_ a set of pchars closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-55</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-55 Change
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the formal grammar to have 'percent' spelled closed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yves: I have just
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done a small modification in the ABNF synta</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I added pchar to make it
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consistent</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: to move these
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changes in the WD</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-49?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-49 -- Yves
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Lafon to draft the HTTP-Range syntax for different units
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(completing all the syntax for the two way handshake) -- due
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2009-03-25 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>still open</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-51</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-51
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Summarize the content of the wiki page to put in the main
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document, with few examples and a short story closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>erik finalized that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-57?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-57 -- Jack
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Jansen to enter formally in the tracker the ISSUE he has found,
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regarding a) transcoding and b) spatial cropping -- due
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2009-04-08 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/57">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/57</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-57</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-57 Enter
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formally in the tracker the ISSUE he has found, regarding a)
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transcoding and b) spatial cropping closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>jack finalized 57</p>
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<h3 id="item05">AOB</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we will not publish
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document tomorrow<br />
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... let's aim for publication on Tuesday<br />
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... would prefer making the request to publish it before the
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F2F because the WWW conference will delay it further
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otherwise</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>nessy:</cite> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> thanks for attending
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conference and will see you next week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> will give it a
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try</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> type: s/Topic:
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Actions Review/Topic: Actions Review</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> erik to apply
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changes to section 6 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> nessy to write
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introduction [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia and conrad
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to review 4-way handshake specification [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to make
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these changes and other changes to sections 1-5 [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to write
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introduction [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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