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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>05 Nov 2008</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Nov/0019.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Raphael, Erik, Yves, Guillaume, Jack, Davy,
Michael_(irc_only)</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Michael, Silvia</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Davy</dd>
</dl>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">telecon hour</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">minutes acception</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">second F2F meeting</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">preparation of working draft</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Issues</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">AOB</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
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<div class="meeting">
<h3 id="item01">telecon hour</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> propose to have it 1 hour
later, but we should ask it to Silvia</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> any problems if it
starts 1 hour later?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; I'm fine with
one hour later</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> proposal to start the
telecon at 10:00 UTC</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p><a name=
"action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> yves to make a poll for suggestions
for telecon hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-9 -
Make a poll for suggestions for telecon hour: 10:00UTC or
9:30UTC [on Yves Lafon - due 2008-11-12].</p>
<h3 id="item02">minutes acception</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> any objections for
minutes (phoneconf and f2f)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; fine with me -
no objections</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> I did not scribe all
day</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> minutes accepted<br />
... goes through the action items</p>
<h3 id="item03">second F2F meeting</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> encourages to fill the
questionnaire</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; michael, please
fill <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGF2F2/">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGF2F2/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; ok</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> please make your
arrangement asap (preferable before 8/11/2008)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> no agenda yet,
suggestions are welcome</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic</a></p>
<h3 id="item04">preparation of working draft</h3>
<p class='phone'>1. Use cases and requirements draft
(Silvia)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> take time to read it and
provide some comments<br />
... any comments yet?<br />
... suggest to take 2 nominates to review this document</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> I will volunteer</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Guillaume:</cite> I will also review
it</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> jackjansen and Gui to review the use
cases and requirements draft [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - Jack</p>
<p class='phone'>2. Types of Fragment addressing
(guillaume)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> idea was to describe 4
dimensions to address fragments</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>guillaume:</cite> description of
possibilities of media types and these dimensions</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> regarding linking to a
parent resource<br />
... I will look more deeply into that next week</p>
<p class='phone'>3. HTTP implementation (Raphael)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> more information next
week<br />
... 3th protocol: file implementation</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Gui</cite>&gt; ://</p>
<p class='phone'>s/file/file://</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; file always get the
full result, so identifying fragment forces seeking</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; 4. RTSP
implementation (davy)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; See: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/RTSP_implementation">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/RTSP_implementation</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; Davy: I describe
how to address a track and a temporal fragment in rtsp</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; ... some feedback
would be nice</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; ... is there any
more specialist of rtsp in the room?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; Jack: I will read
it!</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Jack to review the RTSP implementation
document [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-10
- Review the RTSP implementation document [on Jack Jansen - due
2008-11-12].</p>
<p class='phone'>5. existing technologies survey (erik)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> merge this to the state
of the art page</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> I can only look at it from
15/11/2008<br />
... it will be ready at second F2F</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Guillaume:</cite> how to give feedback
on drafts?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> write mail to the
mailinglist<br />
... provide the version you have reviewed<br />
... give comments section per section</p>
<h3 id="item05">Issues</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> caching discussion<br />
... time ranges is really hard</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; Jack: i think time
is complex and cache should not necessary try to understand
time ... thus only cache bytes range</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; Davy: I do not say
exactly the contrary, but i'm arguing about implementation</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; Jack: caching time
ranges requires cache server to do recombination ... so have
knowledge about the various media container formats</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> implementation hard or not,
if we no it can be done, than there is no problem</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> caching based on byte
offsets will work on 99% of the cases</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; Yves: when the
implementation is done ... it is done! We know it can be done
... implementation difficulty should not influence the
design</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> it would work with time
ranges, but I see no advantages</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> with time ranges, you can
directly request the fragment</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> I fully agree<br />
... I think we should leave this issue open</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> more discussion on the
mailinglist</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +q</p>
<h3 id="item06">AOB</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; regrets for me next
week (HTTP meeting)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; thanks davy for the
scribing</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rtroncy</cite>&gt; close ACTION-7</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-7 Request a
new time slot on the Zakim bridge closed</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jack to review
the RTSP implementation document [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> jackjansen and
Gui to review the use cases and requirements draft [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> yves to make a
poll for suggestions for telecon hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
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