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<body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
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border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>Media Annotations Working Group</h1><h2>09
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Sep 2008</h2><p><a
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href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0002.html">
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Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc">IRC
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log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
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<dl>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>tobiasbuerger, raphael, VeroniqueMalaise, erik, Phil_Archer, daniel, Plh, Felix, davy</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Felix</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>raphael</dd>
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</dl>
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</div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. Introductions</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. Selection of scribe</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. Future telephone conferences</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">4. Call for co-chair</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">5. Resources</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">6. WG Tools</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item07">7. Editing</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item08">8. Working Group schedule</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item09">9. Initial work item from the charter</a></li>
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</ol></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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</ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><h3 id="item01">1. Introductions</h3><p class="phone">Felix and
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Daniel welcome everybody</p><a name="action01" id="action01"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list
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[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - all</p><h3 id="item02">2.
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Selection of scribe</h3><p class="phone">There will be a scribelist, alphabetically
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sorted</p><p class="phone">Once one has scribbed, he goes down on the list</p><h3
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id="item03">3. Future telephone conferences</h3><p class="phone">Questionaire sent to the
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list by Felix</p><p class="phone">The time seems to be OK, i.e. 13:00 UTC</p><p
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class="phone">Nobody from the US West Coast yet ...</p><p class="phone">Tuesday is the best
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day</p><p class="phone"><cite>Frequency:</cite> weekly telecon</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>APPROVED:</cite> telecon every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC</p><h3 id="item04">4. Call for
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co-chair</h3><a name="action02" id="action02"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-1 - Book the bridge for the weekly telecon
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[on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].</p><p class="phone">Current alternative chairs are Felix
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(also team contact) and Daniel</p><p class="phone">Call for volunteers for co-chairing</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> should contact Daniel and Felix first</p><h3 id="item05"
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>5. Resources</h3><p class="phone">Felix goes through the list of current resources</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> The group will work on public<br/> ... charter, mailing
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list, homepage</p><p class="irc"><<cite>Zakim</cite>> PhilA, you wanted to ask if
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there's a member-only list as well?</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> is there a member
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mailing list?</p><p class="phone">So far, only a public mailing list</p><p class="phone"
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>Good standing requirement</p><p class="phone">Felix asks for whom is the first
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participation in a WG</p><p class="phone">Daniel and Veronique: first time</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>IBBT:</cite> participated in XG before</p><p class="phone">Felix gives a
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brief estimate of time effort: one working day for each participant, 2 days for
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editors</p><h3 id="item06">6. WG Tools</h3><p class="phone">We are using IRC, Zakim,
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RRSAgent, and tracker</p><p class="phone">Felix encourages participants to look at the
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manual of these bots</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> mandatory for the scribe<br/>
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... any questions, contact Felix<br/> ... also plan to use bugzilla<br/> ... bugzilla takes
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some time to get used to it<br/> ... please enter issues in the system, but do the
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discussion on the mailing list, using the issue ID. See as an example <a
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href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0107.html"
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>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0107.html</a></p><a
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name="action03" id="action03"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [recorded
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in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-2 - Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the
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editors [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].</p><h3 id="item07">7. Editing</h3><p
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class="phone">We want to set up an XML based environment for editing the specs</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> not force to use JAVA Eclipse<br/> ... a new version of
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Eclipse will be described by Felix and/or Phil<br/> ... more up-to-date information
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soon</p><p class="phone">Editing location is: <a href="http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/"
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>http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/</a></p><p class="phone">Felix goes through the list of the
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documents the group will produce</p><p class="phone">The group will start with the
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Requirements and Use Cases</p><a name="action04" id="action04"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates,
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directories, etc. [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-3 - Prepare the editing environment
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including templates, directories, etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].</p><p
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class="phone">From previous experiences, the group plans to have the whole team as
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editors</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> a list of authors will also be
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provided</p><p class="phone">Call for volunteers for being editors</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>scribe:</cite> email Daniel and Felix, and state your experience in editing
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previous specs<br/> ... declare you asap, so Felix can prepare the editing
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environment</p><h3 id="item08">8. Working Group schedule</h3><p class="phone">Publication of
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an initial WD or requirements document around TPAC</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite>
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publication just after TPAC</p><p class="phone"><cite>PhilA:</cite> Seems an ambitious
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schedule</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> some work already done, from the Multimedia
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XG<br/> ... people from this group might be knowledgable enough to get some actions and
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push the work for a first WD</p><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> to which document we
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are talking about?</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we are talking about the
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Requirements document</p><p class="phone">From the charter: A W3C Working Group Note for use
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cases and requirements for the Media Ontology</p><p class="phone">First F2F meeting: Thu-Fri
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Oct 23-24, at W3C TPAC 2008, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>PhilA</cite>> sadly that clashes with POWDER...</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>Raphael:</cite> quick poll who will attend</p><p class="phone">Raphael will</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueMalaise</cite>> Veronique</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> one day clashes with another meeting</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>davy</cite>> Davy will</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>>
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will</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Felix will attend TPAC meeting</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>PhilA</cite>> I will be there but only able to meet in the bar
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probably</p><p class="phone">Plan for a second F2F meeting</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>scribe:</cite> target December<br/> ... most likely 1st week<br/> ... Daniel will
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favor Europe</p><p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> contact the organizers of SAMT'08,
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possible meeting on 1st and 2nd of December in Koblenz (Germany)<br/> ... fallback plan:
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meeting in Amsterdam or Belgium on Dec 8th and 9th</p><h3 id="item09">9. Initial work item
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from the charter</h3><p class="phone">Felix asks if there is any volunteer for picking one
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of the standards mentioned in the charter and write a paragraph summarizing the requirements
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and coverage of these standards ?</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> not only the
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standards, but the various formats, as a follow up of the Multimedia Semantics XG</p><a
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name="action05" id="action05"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be
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decided which) [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueMalaise</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> so could MMLab (Davy & Erik)</p><a name="action06"
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id="action06"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which)
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[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - Erik</p><p class="phone">Felix
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clarifies: not be tigh to the XG document</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> Send also
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use cases we have in mind to the list</p><p class="phone"><cite>PhilA:</cite> don't know yet
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if I can commit to do some work, want to know what would be the use cases<br/> ... is the
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target of this group also to make the video watching safer, particularly for young
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people?<br/> ... unclear what the scope is</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> feel
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free to send all use cases you have in mind, it does not commit you to actually implement
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it</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> the charter mentions also some mappings between
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the ontology and existing standards<br/> ... which ones should we consider?</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> obvious ... IPTC, XMP, EXIF, EBU</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>davy</cite>> MPEG-7</p><p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> to some
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extent: MPEG-7? EXIF</p><p class="irc"><<cite>plh</cite>> IPTC, XMP, EXIF,
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MPEG-7</p><p class="irc"><<cite>PhilA</cite>> Forgive my ignorance but does that
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include things I get with .wmv or .mpg files?</p><a name="action07" id="action07"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats [recorded
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in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> I think we shouldn't forget about audio specific
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formats like ID3 or musicBrainz; the charter explicitely mentions audio</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>Erik:</cite> problem of the past Multimedia Semantics XG was that there were not
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enough industrial partners, and over representation of academics</p><p class="phone">+1
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Tobias</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> Adobe will make a call ... W3C is working on
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bringing more industrials</p><a name="action08" id="action08"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to
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NOT be considered [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> thanks a lot Raphael</p></div><h2><a name="ActionSummary"
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id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to NOT
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be considered [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats [recorded in
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list [recorded
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in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which)
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[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates,
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directories, etc. [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br/>
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be
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decided which) [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br/> <br/> [End of
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