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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>10 Feb 2010</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Feb/0013.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Erik, Davy, Raphael, Michael, Silvia, Thierry</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Yves, Conrad</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Raphael, Erik</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>silvia</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. F2F Meeting</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. SPECIFICATION</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">4. ISSUES</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">5. TEST CASES: (Michael)</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">7. AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 10 February
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2010</p>
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<p class='phone'>Meeting open</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> focus on two
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things<br />
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... * "ready for implementation" markings<br />
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... * test cases</p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
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<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 03
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February 2009 telecon:</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> accepted</p>
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<p class='phone'>RE: ACTION-127: Thierry/Yves to look for the
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charter extension</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> WG was extended for a
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year, until end Jan 2011</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: accept
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the minutes of the 03 February 2009 telecon</strong></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> management wants public
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to react on document<br />
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... wants to get Last Call asap</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> mhausenblas, you
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wanted to ask re HTTPbis dependecies</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-127</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-127 Look
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for the charter extension closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> HTTPbis dependencies
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should be addressed at f2f</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael: is there
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any dependencies with HTTPBis ... also in last call</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> extension will be
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announced today or tomorrow</p>
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<p class='phone'>RE: ACTION-92: Erik and Raphael to coordinate
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the writing of papers</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> hopefully finishes his part
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by weekend and hopes to send edits next week</p>
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<h3 id="item02">2. F2F Meeting</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Draft Agenda: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> add topics to wiki,
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everything you'd like us to discuss<br />
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... also things we should conclude on<br />
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... venue and zakim booking are done</p>
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<h3 id="item03">3. SPECIFICATION</h3>
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<p class='phone'>RE: ACTION-134: Erik to mark up the spec with
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normative and informative classes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> thinks it's too early
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for such markup<br />
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... should be last thing we do<br />
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... still subject to lots of discussions<br />
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... could start marking up on the parts that are major</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Feb/0007.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Feb/0007.html</a><br />
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... has a list of things that could be marked up already<br />
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... not possible for everything of course</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> would rather want to get
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implementations</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> agree, statements
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are too early<br />
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... could change still</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> support the path that
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silvia mentions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: we
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should flag stable vs. unstable sections rather than normative
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vs. informative</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> just marking some
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sections as "ready for implementation"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Section: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#npt-time">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#npt-time</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> is stable providing
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the correction of the npt bug</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: this
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is IMO, what implementers are primarily interested in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> correct npt scheme<br />
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... no action yet<br />
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... should include diagrams that Erik sent</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> ACTION-126?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-126 -- Yves
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Lafon to follow up on error in ABFN for npt -- due 2009-12-23
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-- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> Yves said he would do the
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changes by next week</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> make sure Yves completes
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by next week</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> first job on diagrams<br />
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... only includes main headers, not all headers</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> should include all
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headers</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> haven't looked at the
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diagrams indepth</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> a decision for who marks
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it up to include what is most important</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> will look at it again</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> we could also rely on
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implementers to give us feedback</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> suggest to give action
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to somebody to integrate diagrams into document</p><a name=
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"action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to include Erik's diagrams into
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specification [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-138
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- Include Erik's diagrams into specification [on Silvia
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Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-17].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>UNKNOWN_SPEAKER:</cite> silvia to also
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include source files</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> diagrams got generated
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automatically</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.websequencediagrams.com/">http://www.websequencediagrams.com/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> from
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websequencediagrams<br />
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... diagrams are public<br />
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... put links into wiki<br />
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... silvia will add links to originals into comment and add
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files into cvs</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> need somebody to mark
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sections as implementable</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-134?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-134 -- Erik
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Mannens to mark up the spec with normative and informative
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classes -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-133?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-133 -- Erik
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Mannens to will try to generate some time diagram for the
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protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x -- due 2010-02-03
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-- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/133">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/133</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-133</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-133 Will
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try to generate some time diagram for the protocol description
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in the section 5.2.1.x closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> if everyone agrees on the
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list of chapters that silvia said are implementable, they
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should be marked up as such</p>
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<p class='irc'><no objections></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Is there strong
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disagreement for marking up these parts in the document ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... as stable</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> good, no
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objections</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to mark up specified sections
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as implementable [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-139
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- Mark up specified sections as implementable [on Silvia
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Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-17].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-135?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-135 -- Erik
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Mannens to extend section 5 regarding spatial and track
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dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-136?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-136 -- Davy
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Van Deursen to create a diagram of video timeline to explain
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temporal dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/136">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/136</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>RE: ACTION-135: Davy, Erik to extend section 5
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regarding spatial and track dimension</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ongoing</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-136</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-136 Create
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a diagram of video timeline to explain temporal dimension
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closed</p>
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<h3 id="item04">4. ISSUES</h3>
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<p class='phone'>later</p>
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<h3 id="item05">5. TEST CASES: (Michael)</h3>
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<p class='phone'>michael hasn't had the time to spend on test
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cases</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> need another volunteer
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to keep this going</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> I will not be able to
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drive this<br />
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... need a volunteer to take over</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> we can do it but not before
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april</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Silvia: I'm not
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sure we need a responsible person, no stress on someone in
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particular</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... it could be a
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collective effort</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael: I think
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you're right, but getting a person setting up the policy for
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external reviews is important</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... for that, it is
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good to have a face</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> could be part of the
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natural sequence of (1) defining use case, (2) defining
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solution, (3) defining error and test cases</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> during f2f we could
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collectively discuss test cases that are well enough
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defined</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: the
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'collective approach' actually made me propose/implement
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<a href=
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"http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/">http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we should do all of the
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above :)<br />
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... define test cases during f2f<br />
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... have a person responsible from April to follow up</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> main motivation is to
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get the implementation report in just one click<br />
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... this is what corrib has been set up for</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> A Method for
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Writing Testable Conformance Requirements</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> should be decided at
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f2f</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-test-methodology-20100128/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-test-methodology-20100128/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> I like the one-click
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approach to report</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> document presents a
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method for writing, marking-up, and analyzing conformance
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requirements in technical specifications.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> agree to having somebody
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responsible to look after corrib for checking implementation
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conformance</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>micheal:</cite> implementation report is
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part of our charter</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> exit criteria we will write
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in CR document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> should we look at test
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cases now?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> can show what I've done
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so far<br />
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... classification of test cases<br />
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... move into wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> ACTION-115?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-115 --
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Michael Hausenblas to come up with categorization of test cases
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wrt empty, undefined, etc -- due 2009-09-30 -- CLOSED</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/115">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/115</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> uploaded an rdf document
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that defined all the cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> is that out of
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corrib?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> can we get a more readable
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version?</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to create a more readable
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version of the TC classification at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a>
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-140
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- Create a more readable version of the TC classification at
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a>
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[on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-02-17].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> for me it's not about
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readability, but about how to edit</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> you have access to the
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file - it's in cvs<br />
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... will create a readable html page out of it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> question whether we
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should address the test case for time dimension</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> what differences did you
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have</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>silvia:</cite> only one major difference
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to before</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>michael:</cite> would need to work
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through the list<br />
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... prefer to delay to next week</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> any other topic?</p>
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<h3 id="item06">7. AOB</h3>
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<p class='irc'><no reactions></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> thanks everyone</p>
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<p class='phone'>em wonders if I sometimes mixed up erik and
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davy...</p>
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<p class='phone'>s/em/me/ ;)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> [adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to
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create a more readable version of the TC classification at
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc</a>
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to include
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Erik's diagrams into specification [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to mark up
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specified sections as implementable [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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