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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>03 Mar 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>please remind people in your next agenda for the new time
slot until march 29th</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>veroniqueM</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Mapping of formats</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">editors for the documents</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">Questionnaire: Survey of Mapping
Formats</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 03 March
2009</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Veronique is scriber
today, are you ready ?</p>
<p class='phone'>Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
telecon 17 February 2009</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>previous minutes approved</p>
<p class='phone'>Selection of scribe for next meeting</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; Thierry will scribe
next week</p>
<p class='phone'>no one is appointed yet</p>
<p class='phone'>any volonteer?</p>
<p class='phone'>Thierry volunteered as a scribe</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; Thierry will scribe
next week</p>
<p class='phone'>next week the teleconf will be at the same US
time</p>
<p class='phone'>but we have to be careful with the summer
time</p>
<p class='phone'>no changes for US people</p>
<p class='phone'>people joining from Asia will have to dial one
hour earlier</p>
<p class='phone'>people joining from Europe will have to dial
one hour earlier</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> shall we reschedule the
teleconf?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; how many members
need to change the schedule ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; I am fine with the
3 weeks one one earlier</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; +1 for one
earlier</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; I have a high
preference for not dialing in one hour earlier in Europe (I
could not make the call)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tmichel</cite>&gt; one hour
earlier</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; I'me fine with
having the telecon at 13:00 Paris Time for 3 weeks</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tobias</cite>&gt; +1 for one
earlier</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chris</cite>&gt; +1 for one
earlier</p>
<p class='phone'>I'me fine with having the telecon at 13:00
Paris Time for 3 weeks</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; +1 for 13:00 for 3
weeks, but not after</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; doesnt matter to
me</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; For some reason I
can't open the minutes</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> we keep the official
schedule and people dialing from Asia and Europe will dial one
hour earlier</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> can't open the minutes,
does anyone else have the same problem?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; Now it works!</p>
<p class='phone'>problem solved: minutes are now accessible</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Action items</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, bad ACTION
syntax</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; ACTION-43</p>
<p class='phone'>first action is on Felix</p>
<p class='phone'>action is still pending</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - is</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; ACTION-43</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; ACTION-47</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; felix : action 43
is still pending</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> action item is still
pending</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; ACTION-80 is still
open</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Frank:</cite> action still pending,
would someone take over?</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> action is still
pending</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> the action should be
transfered to me</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82</a></p>
<p class='phone'>is closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION 83 is still open</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - 83</p>
<p class='phone'>84 is done</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; close ACTION-84</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-84 Set up
questionnaire for format selection closed</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85</a></p>
<p class='phone'>is still open</p>
<p class='phone'>Felix and Joakim: we should put a schedule on
that</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> and define how to update
the requirement document</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tobias</cite>&gt; Felix, if you need
any support: please tell me.</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/86">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/86</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; tobias, yes
please!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; you just need to
get CVS access from Thierry, and you can get started</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> has updated it, and will
still update it, it seems that there are still some access
problems, will take care of that later offline</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/87">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/87</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> action is still
pending</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Werner: did you look
into the Google Dataset API ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; this is a
ACTION-87</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/88">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/88</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; action 87 is
pending</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - 87</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> has sent a mail for update
propsal</p>
<p class='phone'>close action 88</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; close action-88</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-88 Gather
material for publishing a recommendation track working draft
closed</p>
<h3 id="item01">Mapping of formats</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> the ontology and api have
to be as simple as possible<br />
... Joakim an Thierry do you have an idea about how to move
forward this topic?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Pierre Antoine sent an
email about ID3 mappings<br />
... and followed up discussion was about the complexity of
ontologies<br />
... not sure what the concensus about it is?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> meantimes we looked into
mappings and implementations<br />
... we don't have a definite conclusion but we can still move
forward so it is ok as is<br />
... does anyone think we are going in the wrong direction right
now?<br />
... if not it is ok to go on the discussion and comparison of
examples<br />
... we take into account abstraction levels existing in the
mapping tables: this is fine<br />
... for example<br />
... difficult to formulate more specific conclusions now<br />
... we can continue to work on the mapping table and
implementations</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> we don't need to
implement the whole mapping table<br />
... this is why we have the questionaire of format
selection<br />
... and if someone wants to implement other formats they are
welcome</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; opinion, that even
"flat looking" metadata scheme involve several layers of
abstraction, and so that our ontology must take this into
account, preferably in an explicit way.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Pierre Antoine wrote
about needed atributes dealing with ID3</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; fundamental
question: are you thinking that we have to implement all
mapping tables within our specification ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> and several layers of
abstraction</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; @Daniel: the survey
was sold as an informative way of defining priorities for the
work of the group ... and NOT a decision on the formats to
consider</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> now that we have the
mapping table, we should implement them in a more
"operationnal" format</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> the survey is
informative</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> +1 to Raphael' irc
remark</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> I agree with the fact
that our ontology and API should be simple<br />
... how many people are willing to implement a mapping?<br />
... who is a volunteer for an implementation?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> we should publish the
mapping table in march, did not mention the volunteering of
implentations</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; currently
Pierre-Antoine and Felix for toy implementations, but they
cover only small bits</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> both PA and Felix have
provided a toy implementation, but they do not cover
everything</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Question: any more
volunteers for toy implementation ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; so far, 3
volunteers: PA, Felix and Wonsuk, other volunteers ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> needs help to design the
ontology<br />
... the group has experts in ontology design<br />
... we have to define the language<br />
... can anyone comment on that?<br />
... would be very useful for his toy implementation</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> it seems that the working
group has to get some guidelines for designing an ontology</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I can volunteer for
this<br />
... but how do you see the relation between the toy ontology,
the toy implementation and the final ontology to deliver?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> the delivery is open to
everything, the ontology can be prose. formal representation
and whatever language<br />
... any kind of language is ok</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> people developping toy
implementation should document what language they are building
upon</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> the documentation process
is not part of our work, is it?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; tobias, you wanted to
tell the group about the initiative Veronique and Tobias
started to map XMP-&gt;DC-&gt;VRA using semantics</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tobias:</cite> Vero and I have started
working on the mapping of the rdf representations of XMP to
dublin core and vra<br />
... this can also be considered as a toy application</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> do we need an action item
for ontology design guidelines?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> agrres but tooo big task
for himself alone</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> making a wikipage would
be useful</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> let's continue this on
the mailing list</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> will try to make a more
publishable version of the mapping table, this could be a good
starting point for this ontology design guideline</p>
<h3 id="item02">editors for the documents</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> do we need editors for
the guidelines?<br />
... we have a good editor team from the UC and REQ document</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tobias</cite>&gt; I can also
contribute.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I could also contribute
to the edition of documents</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; I can continue to
contribute</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> candidates for new
editorial team: Tobias, Joakim,<br />
... Felix</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; I can also
contribute..</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Vero can also contribute
(moderately)<br />
... Wonsuk too</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chris</cite>&gt; I can contribute
too</p>
<h3 id="item03">Questionnaire: Survey of Mapping Formats</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> did not get feedback
yet</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we have a low rate of
feedback on the questionaire</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> would be interesting to
know who answered</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> we should re-open the
questionaire and rise the question to the mailing list</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> I can re-open the
questionnaire, till the next telecon<br />
... will draw conclusions March 10</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; reopen until March
10</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; raphael, you wanted
to talk about TAG investigation around metadata, see <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Chris Poppe from IBBT also volunteers to
contribute as an editor</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> the tag group has been
very active and publishing a page about metadata<br />
... the group should look at that page</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> any other issue?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; bye</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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