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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>20 Jan 2010</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-swxg-irc">IRC
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>hhalpin</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Dan</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2010-01-20T21:00Z</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Action Reminders</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Christine, Renato, and Kaliya on
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Social Web Frameworks</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 20 January
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2010</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I'm having
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difficulty reaching the Zakim conf bridge</p>
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<p class='phone'>I think we need to get Zakim to set up a
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termporary code for us?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> me to</p>
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<p class='phone'>something like "zakim, room for 15"?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hey, I sent an
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e-mail to adminreq</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> zakim aaaa is me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> \me FYI people, due
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to scheduling bit, conference code is 26631</p>
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<p class='phone'>Can anyone else who plans to join the call
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please do so on the newly minter Zakim code, 26631 please?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> can person typing
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mute themselves, please?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Dan</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick: DKA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> noisy breathing?</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2010-01-20T21:00Z</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 13th January 2010 as a true
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record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACCEPT: to approve
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SWXG WG Weekly -- 13th January 2010 as a true record</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Next week, guest speaker
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talking about Salmon protocol.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACCEPTED: to meet
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again Wed. Jan 27th</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: Accept
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last week's minutes.</strong></p>
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<h3 id="item02">Action Reminders</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> please people - look at
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your actions and update the group if anything has happened with
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your actions!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACTION
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<strong>[DONE]</strong>: hhalpin to doodle over XG vs IG</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - <strong>[DONE]</strong></p><a name="action01" id=
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"action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> hhalpin to
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doodle over XG vs IG [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - <strong>[DONE]</strong></p><a name="action02" id=
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"action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> hhalpin to
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doodle over XG vs IG [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item03">Christine, Renato, and Kaliya on Social Web
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Frameworks</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialWebFrameworks">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialWebFrameworks</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> danbri has reignighted
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the w3c widgets - open social widgets discussion. That should
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be happening on a future xg call.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://wiki.idcommons.net/Lexicon">http://wiki.idcommons.net/Lexicon</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://m2bp.pbworks.com/">http://m2bp.pbworks.com/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Let's go through these
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documents and find some consistency. My starter is to adopt the
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id commons terminology and to see how far we are on general
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principles.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we'll try to get
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chris saad on the phone later to compare/contrast this with
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christine and renato's document</p>
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<p class='phone'>High level principles from Anita: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2010Jan/0019.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2010Jan/0019.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> I want to introduce
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rentato and my document and then discuss how to proceed on
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today's call</p>
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<p class='phone'>Great!</p>
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<p class='phone'>:)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> fine with me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> also we should try
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to talk about making meeting time more convenient for west
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coast people, i'll take an action for a doodle poll on
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this.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>rentato:</cite> quick background -
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Christine and I were talking about some of the topics discussed
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in the XG and we decided to document "e.g. we think when we say
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distributed profiles we mean this" --</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> the document is our first
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attempt and we are now exposing it to the wider group and
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filling the holes we haven't covered.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> this is information
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we want to add to the introduction of the document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> useful for several
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communities</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> target audience - this
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audience [the xg] and technical people but also "high-end"
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social web users and useful for standards bodies and
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communities to understand.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> not going into deep,
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deep terminology</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> useful for a broad range
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of communities</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> one thing that came to
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light this morning in discussion with ? - when we were working
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on this we were talking about concepts being discussed by
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people as lay people, but many of these concepts have only now
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become "lay people" topics where previously they were the
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domain of specialists. [e.g. social graph]<br />
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... this is a key point in where the lexicon came from</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> if you look in our
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document, the terminology section, we wanted to define these up
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front because we use them later int he document...<br />
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... we've come with some ideas already to modify our list. We
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would like to add another column, mapping to other communities
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including id commons.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> are there any other
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groups with well-defined lexicons?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> but we want to point
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out that some concepts/terms are specific to Social Web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> the word "agent"
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comes in useful here</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialWebFrameworks#The_Terminology">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialWebFrameworks#The_Terminology</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> and the ID commons
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calls it a "digital subject"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> "social web user" - we
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were thinking of individuals although we need to talk about
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organisations as well...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> highly charged for
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so many people</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> agent isn't
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necessarily digital though.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> profile =? digital
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identity</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> "identity" - this is an
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overloaded term, but we need a term to describe a collection of
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profiles, the idea that a person has multiple profiles or
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personas as ID commons calls them.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> the aggregation of
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all your profiles</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> seen only by the
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person (Social WEb user)</p>
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<p class='phone'>Agree using the word "identity" might not be
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best -- maybe "digital identity."</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> So looking for
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suggestions.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> my comment - profile
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maps onto ID commons "digital identity" - what about re-using
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the ID commons terms?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> kaliya talking</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> aggregate set of
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all profiles?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> is "identity" an
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"aggregate set of all profiles" - something more
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descriptive.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> there isn't (in the
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ID commons lexicon) something which matches up with the term we
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have called Identity</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> Thought about making a
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longer descriptive way to communicate that.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> there is a "gap" in
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both ID commons and Social Web vocabulary</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> +q</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> yes "identity" as a term
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probably overloaded.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Identity => "The
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unique single identity of a Social Web User, . A user has one
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and only one unique conceptual identity which contains all the
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information about the user."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> It seems to be
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"total identity" or "aggregate identity" to me.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>yoshiaki:</cite> In Japan many people
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use more than one identity, one name, such as pseudonom. So
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many cases were it is not adequate to use a single profile.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> in our terminology we
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would say that people have multiple profiles or personas. That
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collection of profiles represents you as a single person
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somehow.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we could start
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using trackbot's issue tracker :)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> let's bookmark this and use
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the term "collection of profiles" for now maybe...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ISSUE: Replace term
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"identity" with "aggregate identity" or something more
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precise</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ISSUE-2 -
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Replace term "identity" with "aggregate identity" or something
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more precise ; please complete additional details at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/issues/2/edit">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/issues/2/edit</a>
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.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yuk</cite>> sorry i don't have a
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phone now. but seems this definition of identity is similar to
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social web user</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> profiles are composed of
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attributes or properties - one of the reasons we identified
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these attributes is that one of the key notions in the paper is
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that of a "distributed property/profile" - we often use in our
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conversation the word "distributed" and that needs
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clarification.<br />
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... one reason for distributed properties is that the user is
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occupying more than one social application. These concepts are
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central to the social web.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> in ID common
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lexicon, profile =? digital identity</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> the "social application"
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is kind of synonymous to a social network today.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> correct?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> "profile association",
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"social connection", "social obligation" and "social
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interaction"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> DKA, you wanted to
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comment on "social obligation"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ISSUE: look for
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another word besides obligation</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ISSUE-3 -
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Look for another word besides obligation ; please complete
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additional details at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/issues/3/edit">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/issues/3/edit</a>
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<p class='phone'>In <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a>
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we talked about establishing connections and managing
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"relationships"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Although we need
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the notes DKA :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yeah!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agree with what you
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just said, Dan</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> connection doesn't
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make any sense without a relationship</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> this is what we are
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trying to express with these different shapes of BLUE lines in
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the figures</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> there are different
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types of connections</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> could be
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uni-directional or bi-directional</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> I suggest that a connection
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without a relationship (obligation in your document) is
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meaningless. Even a follow relationship is a relationship. So
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connection is important to capture but doesn't a connection
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need at least one "relationship"?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> yep context is a
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tricky one.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/gh/Hirst-CICLing-2000.pdf">http://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/gh/Hirst-CICLing-2000.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> possibly - this is also
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missing some terms that we use in the document. We don't define
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"context" and we don't define "social graph."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> that above URI is
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for a paper that from an AI perspective notes a number of
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different usages of word "context"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> but then does call
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it a "spurious concept"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> if you skip down a few
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sections we've dedicated some thinking to that - we feel this
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group would be an excellent place to make some improvements to
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the terminology around social graph.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> re: social graph i
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think it was first popularized here by bradfitz following
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discussions on 'social network portability' <a href=
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"http://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/">http://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> quick comment to Dan on
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social connection / relationship: what we're trying to say is
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that you make these connections in the context of a social
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application and that's how you determine what the types of
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relationships are. So relationships are in the context of a
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social application...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, but this is now
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a docment which has aged</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> we need to work on a
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"modern" and flexible and widely used definition of social
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graph</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> +1 property</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> also - whether to use
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"property" and "attribute" - ID commons uses attribute.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> property is rdf
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too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, that's exactly
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one of its problems (problem with the term property)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> is that it is deeply
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associated with Semantic web thinking</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> The reason I think some
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people would want to use Property is that this is used in
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semweb world. If ID commons is using "attribue" it might be
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better to use what ID commons is using. Also wondering -
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wondering about the difference between profiles and digital
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identity.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> any preference?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> "profile" I guess
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was popularized by Facebook</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> attribute is ok (and
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we can map to rdf:property)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> "persona
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profile"?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> When our community were
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developing our lexicon some of these things weren't out there.
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I like "persona" because it's clear it might not be tied back
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to the real name of the person.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ISSUE: profile vs.
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persona vs. digital identity</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ISSUE-4 -
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Profile vs. persona vs. digital identity ; please complete
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additional details at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/issues/4/edit">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/issues/4/edit</a>
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.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> different levels of
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framework?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> harmonizing
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vocabularies</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> this is about Social
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Web, not necessarily rdf</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> agree to use "attribute" if
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possible.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> first diagram - social
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identity - in this case we have a single person or single
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identity which has multiple profiles. Those profiles could be
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overlaping - some of the properties re-used. Then a web user is
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saying they are joining a number of social applications.
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They're then using one of the profiles in the context of that
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social app and then using other profiles for other apps.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> not single
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application</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> a profile could be
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"Shared"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> by multiple social
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applications</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> a single profile could be
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relevant to multiple applications?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> yes.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yoshiaki</cite>> +q</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> another extension was
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distributed social profile - your profile should know how to
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retrieve and access those properties from around the web.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> DKA, you wanted to
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wonder if our "property" is a direct 121 match with ID commons
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"attribute"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Last FM user can
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profile a user on the basis of playlist</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>yoshiaki:</cite> in last.fm, user can
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profile other users and use them for their playlist or
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blacklist [so this is another kind of profile]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> profile must be
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flexible enough to adapt</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> using profile as a term -
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to profile someone -<br />
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... the actual profiling is something we capture in the "system
|
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& framework " section - analytics section.<br />
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... I think we are using profile as a noun not as a verb.<br />
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... going on to "social graph" - we wanted to show in diagram
|
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#3 - we tried to show without getting too complex - what we
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wanted to show is one user is using the same profile across
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different applications and connections happen between
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profiles.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> btw, the term
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social graph is also described here in Tim BL's essay: <a href=
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"http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/215">http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/215</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> we went on to talk about
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frameworks.<br />
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... how we think all these different frameworks could work
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together.<br />
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... each of these frameworks have different services in
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them...<br />
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|
... what other frameworks would be useful to include in the
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diagram?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> definitely useful,
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really like the frameworks bit</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> feedback?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> drats. timing fail.
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guess I'll read the minutes.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> why not just use
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wiki?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> for people who have the
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time - using the method that Kaliya used - marking up a
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[deleted] document with track changes - might be an option to
|
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do this.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>renato:</cite> the only thing about
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using the wiki is that you don't see it in front of you like
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track changes...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I propose that we
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attach a text version of the file to the wiki page</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> a "Word" version of
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the document (which can be edited/commented) more freely</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://wiki.idcommons.net/Persona">http://wiki.idcommons.net/Persona</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> [person name]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> to clarify the wiki -
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it's only changeable by those with a w3c account - all changes
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are tracked - if you look at the ID commons wiki you can see
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how different people talk in the wiki...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that was only added
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after an editor went through the process of synthesizing wide
|
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inputs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> then you can use
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some manual "markings"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> to note where you
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added/change the words</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> I'm happy for people to
|
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communicate however they best work - I don't use [deleted]
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change tracking but people could do that when expressing
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private thought. We could keep multiple versions...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> sorry calling back
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in.....</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> I suggest it's somewhat
|
|
about comfort level with a tool...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> happy to sit down
|
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with christine and renato and show them how to use wiki, but
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lots of people can't do "track changes" in Word doc.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> there's lots of
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options, including two separate wiki pages</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> periodic updates to
|
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the HTML version based on inputs/comments from community</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> one with edits and
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another with accepted edits</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> inputs would be
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provided in any tool which is comfortable for the person who
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wants to offer input</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> kaliya?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Kaliya - what's your
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thoughts on lexicons, should we be feeding back into id
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commons, how do we [work with you?]<br />
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... would you prefer re-usage of ID commons terms or mapping?
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What would you prefer? What about for new terms?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> the mapping
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column</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> I thought talk with
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Christine & Renato went well - I trust them to judge if
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they can easily adopt it. Adding a column [mapping] would be
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good.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> i have made a
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comment about the use of Social graph above and think we can
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adapt previously defined words to embrace what we have
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today</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> That's more important
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than "my vocabulary winning" and there are a bunch of concepts
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that aren't in the paper / aren't in our lexicon. So best
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approach would be [mapping].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> would probably
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require going to identity commons workshop</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> are you aware of other
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communities which have lexicons which we are missing?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> that's the Venn
|
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paper?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Venn of
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Identity?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that would be part
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of the landscape of the Social Web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> re-use where
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approprite</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.openprivacy.org/opd.shtml">http://www.openprivacy.org/opd.shtml</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> Sorry all - I can't
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get back into the call - the new code no longer works!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> The next generation - Kim
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Cameron's paper goes into depth on certain thing. If you look
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at his lexicon he points to other lexicons. Don't believe you
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have to invent a definition for everything.</p>
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<p class='phone'>:)</p>
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<p class='phone'>I mean :(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Renato is not on
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call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> relationship
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portability</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> this is a
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tricky/difficult concpet</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> this is where
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access/privacy/context is quite useful I imagine, and
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central</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Kaliya:</cite> real issues with social
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graph portability... in particular where you have a
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relationship wher eyou don't want that relationship to appear
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in another context.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Bob's relationships
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paper</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> would be useful to
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send it to the list.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> it's getting late
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here!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, it should be
|
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expanded in the paper</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> maybe we could close the
|
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call?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> meta-framework</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> Social graph portability
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should be explored in the paper.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> quite messy, often
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very private data in social profiles</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Meeting
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Adjourned</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks all</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> that is the difference
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between classical concept of linked data and the actual reality
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of social networking.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> thanks!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> thanks all - see u
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on the list</p>
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