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<h1>Project Review: Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group</h1>
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<h2>14 Jun 2007</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<div class="intro">
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Raphael Troncy (CWI), Michael Cooper, Steve Bratt, Mauro Nunez, Jose
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Manuel Alonso, Ralph Swick, Gerald Oskoboiny, Dan Connolly, Yves Lafon,
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Susan Lesch, Ted Guild, Klaus Birkenbihl, Ivan Herman, Kazuyuki
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Ashimura, Judy Brewer, Ian Jacobs, Carine Bournez, Liam Quin, Richard
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Ishida, Marie-Claire Forgue, Eric Prud'hommeaux</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Dominique Hazaël-Massieux</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Ivan Herman</dd>
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<dt>Presenter</dt>
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<dd>Raphael Troncy, CWI</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Mauro Nunez</dd>
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<ul>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class="phone"> </p>
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<p class="phone"> </p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>ivan</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/">Slides for
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presentation</a></p>
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<p class="phone">[ Ivan introduces Raphael ]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/">Multimedia Semantics Incubator
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Group</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/">Cover
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Slide</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> (which face is Raphael's?)</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: I am in the center with
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my hand on my belt</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 2 - MMSem Pointers]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> kudos for using the public mailing
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list for most of the discussion!</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 3 - MMSem Goals]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 4 - MMSem Activities]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 5 - MMSem Deliverables]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/39139/status">Multimedia Semantics
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Incubator Group Patent Policy Status</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 6 - Image Annotation on the
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Semantic Web]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 7 - Image Annotation on the
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Semantic Web]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 8 - Multimedia Annotation
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Interoperability Framework]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 9 - Multimedia Annotation
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Interoperability Framework]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 10 - Managing Personal
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Photos]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> [slide 11 - Facetting Music
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Songs]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 12 - Bringing NewsML in the Semantic Web]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 13 - Managing your Web 2.0 Personomy]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 14 - MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> "It's an ISO standard, making it
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difficult to use."</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 15 - Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 16 - Multimedia Semantics: Relevant Tools and
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Resources]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 17 - Liaison]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 18 - MMSem Success]</p>
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<p class="phone">[slide 19 - MMSem Future]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: we hope to submit a new
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XG charter to W3C in mid-July</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... and would like to resume work
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in September</p>
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<p></p>
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<p class="phone"><strong>--- Q&A session---</strong></p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> at the XG we used some XML-based
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schema<br />
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... and the question is if W3C should publish new ontologies based on these
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schemas<br />
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... and what we should do with that?</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ralph:</cite> thanks Raphael for an informative
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session<br />
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... have the XG considered publishing the ontologies in XG work space?</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, we have</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri">URIs for W3C Namespaces</a></p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> ... but we are not sure</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> wich community cares for continuing with
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this activity?</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ralph:</cite> the other interesting question is about
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maintainance<br />
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... and who would do it<br />
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... and I also wonder about the output of the XG<br />
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... what is the challenge for W3C about this output?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> DanC: if the community around the
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ontology is the XG, then the XG is more than welcome to publish the ontology
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at /YYYY/MM/blah-blah , per <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri">http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri</a></p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael</cite>if we publish an ontology, should we
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have just the OWL or a document also?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>ivan</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> the feeling within the group is not to
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follow a Rec track now (could be a target in another year)<br />
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... we would rather try to see if the existing technologies are enough<br />
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... we think they are not</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Ralph: the consensus of both the
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SemWeb Best Practices WG and the SemWeb Deployment WG, as documented in the
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Vocabulary Management Working Draft(s) is that both forms -- the
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machine-readable OWL and the human-readable HTML are desirable</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>Zakim</cite>> DanC, you wanted to note that the
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level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> notes that the level of endorsement
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around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ralph:</cite> is useful for the XG to point out what
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things can be re-used<br />
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... the XG can publish its work, new ontologies<br />
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... but what part of the community interested would like to see the REC stamp
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on it?</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> we wondered also about that within the
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group<br />
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... about the formality, I am not sure they fully understand the W3C
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process<br />
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... currently we don't need to go to the formality of a WG but we might need
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it in the future</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>Zakim</cite>> DanC, you wanted to ask about the
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"OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG
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negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> I note that Raphael just uttered one
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of the things we are concerned about: no distinction between TR and xG
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report</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: IPTC pretty much happy
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with things being published somewhere on w3.org</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... DIG35 not sure what level of
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formality we might need</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite>do we have the right for derivative work
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(related to mpeg-7)?</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, we have rights to do derivative
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work<br />
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... I am not sure if we can publish this ontology, I need to check on that</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: we made an official
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liaison with ISO and they're commenting on our work</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>DanC:</cite> is either of those organizations
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interested on publishing the OWL?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> I3A: I do not know</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: ISO not interested in
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publishing OWL</p>
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<p class="phone">International Imaging Industry Association (I3A)</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> who is in discussions with them?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... not sure if I3A is interested,
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but they're OK with W3C publishing when an agreement is signed</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> Daniel Dardailler is involved on it</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison">http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: our other question is how
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to get more industry involvement in follow-on work</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> (which row in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison">http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison</a>
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? a text search for "multimedia" fails)</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> search for Raphael :-)</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>DanC</cite>> (ah... <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A">http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A</a>
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)</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> my initial reaction is that you should
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try to identify those members that would like to be involve, and then they
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should contact their AC Rep<br />
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... I would be happy to do such contacts</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> yes DanC</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Ian: we've discussed the potential
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of confusion between different kinds of TRs; in particular RECs and XG
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reports</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, sometimes</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> ... is it the case that [some of
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the liaisons] really don't care about the difference?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> Raphael: they don't seem to
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care</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> to participate in the group was a
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great experience, time consuming but great</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Kaz:</cite> thanks for a good presentation, it was a
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pity I couldn't see the presentation at WWW2007, I attended W3C Track<br />
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... the Multimodal Interaction WG, which develops MMI Architecture etc.,
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would like to collaborate</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> that would be great</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>kaz</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/">http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/</a></p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> when do you plan to finally publish all
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the documents?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/">http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> (public page is <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)">http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)</a></p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> next week we will send it out</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>SusanL</cite>> Yes we will be happy to make the
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publication news.</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> can you provide us with a paragraph for
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the publication?<br />
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... SusanL will then *polish* it</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, will do</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>IanJ:</cite> is it ok to set expectation for next
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steps on that publication?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> leave open public list</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> close member list</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>IanJ:</cite> what happen with mailing lists, for
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example?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> close XG at the same time as
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publication</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> leave wiki open</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>IanJ</cite>> also, please draft an email for the
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ac with expectations about next steps</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, the public mailing list stays
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open, member mailing list closes, wiki stays open, the reference to the XG
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dissapears</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> thanks Raphael for your presentation</p>
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<a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>RalphS</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael
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review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to
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interests of other organizations [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Ivan:</cite> thanks everybody, motion to adjourn</p>
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<p class="phone">MEETING ADJOURNED</p>
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