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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>MAWG Telco</h1>
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<h2>05 Oct 2010</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>doug, thierry, joakim, werner, daniel, (irc),
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veronique</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>florian, felix, wonsuk, raphael</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>joakim</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>wbailer</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">previous minutes</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">next meeting</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">comments from doug</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<div class="meeting">
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>shepazu</cite>> hi, tmichel, I've
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sent in my responses, and I can join the MAWG telcon today (in
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a few minutes, right?)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>shepazu</cite>> tmichel?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
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wbailer</p>
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<h3 id="item01">previous minutes</h3>
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<p class='phone'>accepted</p>
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<h3 id="item02">next meeting</h3>
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<p class='phone'>schedules for oct. 12</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Hello Doug</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> no one from the API
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team ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> too bad we had Doug
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today ...</p>
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<h3 id="item03">comments from doug</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>shepazu</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> make sure to look at right
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version<br />
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... previous comment still holds for the current version<br />
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... don't think that browser vendors will implement all the 32
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interfaces in the spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> LC comment from
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Doug</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/2406">
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http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/2406</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> approach is very java-like,
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very verbose, strongly typed<br />
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... same solution as proposed at last tpac an even before group
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started: only 1 or 2 methods only for getting metadata<br />
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... generic methods instead of typed interfaces</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> should have only
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one ot two methods allowing to get the metadata generecly</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> there is generic
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getProperty, but different interfaces for return types</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> doug: what is the
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goal of all these interfaces ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Doug: I was
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confused, with earlier draft. But now it seems fine.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> specific return types are
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not necessary<br />
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... to get data in a generic way will not work with strongly
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typed return types<br />
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... it's more java and not usual for javascript developers used
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to json structures<br />
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... could be name value pairs<br />
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... should not be described as interfaces<br />
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... generic json style object should be the goal<br />
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... dicussion on filtering results at last tpac<br />
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... eg getting all titles, filter for subtitles, episode titles
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etc<br />
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... or filter for certain format<br />
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... not sure how to do that with a generic array<br />
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... document states its for both client and server side
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use<br />
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... not clear how it could be used on a server</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> api exposed as web
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service, to be called from client</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> shared ontology is
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useful<br />
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... not sure if designing for both client and server is good
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approach<br />
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... focus on client<br />
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... metadata for media file can be remote<br />
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... important to clarify what is meant by the interfaces<br />
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... should clarify that people are not expected to implemented
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multiple different interfaces</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> there are 3
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questions:</p>
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<p class='phone'>1. what is meant by interfaces</p>
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<p class='phone'>2. less strong typing of return types</p>
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<p class='phone'>3. filtering results by subproperties</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> if you do not talk about
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interfaces, the question of whether all need to be implemented
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disappears<br />
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... if application supports ontology, it should be possible to
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retrieve all the values<br />
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... are there properties that there are more problematic than
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others?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> here is an example for
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title in 3.5.2.1<br />
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... returning a specific subtype of title</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> json format as return
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format would make things easier to understand<br />
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... need to look more closely to this</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> could you propose an
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example?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> json looks ok, but maybe
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not with a more complex example<br />
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... makes more sense to have a json style repsonse format<br />
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... plan to talk to Cameron McCormack about whether is the
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correct use of webidl for this purpose<br />
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... scenario: mp3 with album title, song title, annotations in
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id3<br />
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... plus annotations in xmp with the 2 titles<br />
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... expect to get 4 titles, 2 from id3, 2 from xmp<br />
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... expect to be able to filter to just get the xmp<br />
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... in addition, get creation date of metadata and author of
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metadata<br />
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... using same set of properties for meta-metadata seems to be
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solution</p>
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<p class='phone'>needs to be described in the document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> each piece has to contain
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where it comes from<br />
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... either on the high-level structure or as a nested
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structure<br />
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... on high-level, it would be useful to all titles and
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authors<br />
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... but to filter by annotation, and not go down to specific
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properties and then filter<br />
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... meta-metadata should be part of return data<br />
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... rather than overloading getProperty, return values first
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and filter results<br />
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... append filters to narrow results</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> I was thrown out
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from zakim</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> will draw up a few
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scenarios, and put together what I expect the api to return</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> people at sony ericsson
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were interested in having provenance of metadata</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>doug:</cite> would like to talk to
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browser vendors more deeply, not sure if possible in time<br />
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... currently not sure that all common use case are covered by
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the api<br />
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... will draw up scenario and wg to decide whether its covered
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by the spec</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> set up specific telecon
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with api doc editors and doug at a time more convenient for
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doug<br />
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... possible time tuesday 13:00 utc (15:00 cest)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> anything urgent about LC
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status?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> thought about scheduling
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2nd LC, in order to manage before tpac<br />
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... seems very difficult to achieve<br />
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... goal should be to finalise docs a tpac</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> I think we may can
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not catch up the proposed schedule. There are still so many
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open issues...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> to avoid 3rd LC<br />
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... before tpac we should have a good idea what has already
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implemented from lc comments<br />
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... some commenters want to see editors draft</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> LC Comments</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> =====</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Agreed: Commenter
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approved disposition</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> ******</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> -- LC Comment -2389
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on Media Ontology spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> -- LC Comment -2403
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on Media Ontology spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> -- LC Comment -2404
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on Media Ontology spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> -- LC Comment -2410
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on Media API spec Jo Rabin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> On going:</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> *********</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> * LC Comment -2394
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on Media API spec (timeless :need to read more-travelling)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> ** LC Comment -2419
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on Media API spec (need to respond to unsolved issues)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0243.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0243.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> ** LC Comment -2418
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on Media Ontology spec (need to respond to 3 unsolved issues)
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see to do</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0242.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0242.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> * LC Comment -2393
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on Media Ontology spec (deasagree for speex or VP8 and
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codec)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> * LC Comment -2395
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on Media API spec(deasagree for speex or VP8 and codec)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> * LC Comment -2394
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on Media API spec (Doug)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Oct/0020.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Oct/0020.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Doug kind of agree
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... should make this statement more clear.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> LC Comment -2405 on
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Media Ontology spec (Doug)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> satisfied by our
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response but would like to see it in the spec.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Confused by your
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solution around the "ma" prefix, and would like to</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> see it in
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writing.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> ---------</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> we have comments with
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disagreement for commenters</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> No response
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yet:</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> ************</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> LC Comment -2398 on
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Media Ontology spec (jose)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> LC Comment -2411 on
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Media Ontology spec (Karen)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> LC Comment -2414 on
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Media Ontology spec (Pling)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> shall we ask person who
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drafted original repsonse to look into this?</p><a name=
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"action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> chris to respond to unsolved issues of
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lc 2419 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-318
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- Respond to unsolved issues of lc 2419 [on Chris Poppe - due
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2010-10-12].</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft repsonse to open
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issues in lc 2395 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-319
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- Draft repsonse to open issues in lc 2395 [on Thierry Michel -
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due 2010-10-12].</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> veronique to draft response for open
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issues in lc 2418 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - veronique</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft repsonse for open
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-321
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- Draft repsonse for open issues in lc 2392 [on Thierry Michel
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- due 2010-10-12].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>veronique:</cite> update of 2405 needs
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to be done after syntax update<br />
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... also update on normative/non-normative is required (action
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in joakim)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> next week normal telecon,
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then api telecom</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to send mail to api doc editors
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to attend call next week [recorded in <a href=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-322
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- Send mail to api doc editors to attend call next week [on
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Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-10-12].</p><a name="action06" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to book telecon bridge for api
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call [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-323
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- Book telecon bridge for api call [on Thierry Michel - due
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2010-10-12].</p>
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<p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> chris to respond
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to unsolved issues of lc 2419 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to send
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mail to api doc editors to attend call next week [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to book
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telecon bridge for api call [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft
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repsonse for open issues in lc 2392 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to draft
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repsonse to open issues in lc 2395 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> veronique to
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draft response for open issues in lc 2418 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a href=
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scribe.perl</a> version 1.135 (<a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/">CVS log</a>)<br />
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$Date: 2010/10/05 12:05:39 $
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<h2>Scribe.perl diagnostic output</h2>[Delete this section
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.135 of Date: 2009/03/02 03:52:20
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Check for newer version at <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Found ScribeNick: wbailer
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Inferring Scribes: wbailer
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WARNING: Dash separator lines found. If you intended them to mark
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the start of a new topic, you need the -dashTopics option.
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<Philippe> ---
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<Philippe> Review of Action Items
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Default Present: Doug_Schepers, joakim, wbailer, +1.201.807.aaaa, +39.538.5.aabb, vero
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Present: doug thierry joakim werner daniel (irc) veronique
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Regrets: florian felix wonsuk raphael
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Got date from IRC log name: 05 Oct 2010
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-mediaann-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items: chris joakim thierry veronique
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