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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>08 Jul 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dd>Zakim error</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Tim_Anglade, Hakan, Cloud</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt> <dd>DKA</dd>
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<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 08 July
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 8 July 2009 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: SWXG WG
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Weekly approved 8 July 2009 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Could everybody on
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the call please mute when not talking</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to meet
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again Wed, 15th July</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AndreaP</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> danbri -can you
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scribe?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> DKA will chair next
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week.</p>
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<p class='phone'>dka to chair next week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 2. General
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Organization and Task Forces</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='phone'>hhalpin thought would be interesting to look
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at the social group wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hhalpin: thought
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would be interesting to look at the social group wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> to look at summaries of
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invited guests<br />
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... to see if someone would volunteer to summarize talk from
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last week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> volunteer??</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i can</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Mischa, you'd be
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perfect!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> mmm</p><a name=
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"action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to summarize josh and soren't
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talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-51
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- Summarize josh and soren't talk [on Mischa Tuffield - due
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2009-07-15].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 3. User stories</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> to summarize the invited
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guests in the wiki for future references</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Go for it
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Mischa!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> will hopefully complete
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by next week</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> talked with josh about
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running terms through plagerism software</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> that would be
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GREAT!!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> great idea to track
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changes on the terms and conditions</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> and put them in version
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control and see how all the T&Cs change over time</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> sounds like it
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could be interesting to see the results of that.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> great idea, would be
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interesting to share on the final report</p><a name="action02"
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id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Sören to
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propose addition to the template for user stories for
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conditions [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> soren and cprey exchanged
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emails on conditions of user stories<br />
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... he sent draft and exchanged comments over the weekend</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> working on a final
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version</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> tobey in luck with
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microblogging document tracking sources story</p><a name=
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"action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> tinkster to
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document developer stories on wiki. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>toby:</cite> shares link to tracking
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sources</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 4. Invited Guest
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Invitations</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> tobyink, thanks for
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Tracking_Sources">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Tracking_Sources</a>
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!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> update on invited guests
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... would attempt to illicit input from mobile operator ... Sam
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??? to come on july 22nd to answer a few questions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> looks good to me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I think July 22nd
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works for Sam Crichtley</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Critchley</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> introduce to his service
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and mention how he would like to see this evolve<br />
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... from gypsey</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>samcritchley</cite>> Yes, that's
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me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>samcritchley</cite>> :-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hello sam!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Your on for the
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July 22nd.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>samcritchley</cite>> Hi!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> will change web page to
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the 22nd</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Send us any links
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you want us to read ahead of time.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>samcritchley</cite>> Will do</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> reaching out to geo location
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working group and somebody from oslo companies with relation to
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the location sharing<br />
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... probably be good for the next call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re geolocation:
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<a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2009Jul/0005.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2009Jul/0005.html</a>
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... note the last call doc to review</p><a name="action05" id=
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"action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to describe/implement a git
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repo of terms and conditions, and how they change between now
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and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-52
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- Describe/implement a git repo of terms and conditions, and
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how they change between now and the end of the XG. [on Mischa
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Tuffield - due 2009-07-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> 15th is open for a
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speaker</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACTION
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<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> : hhalpin to contact eran to talk,
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also about LRDD and XRDS-Simple</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> have sent email to Aron
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about LRDD</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpin
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to contact eran to talk, also about LRDD and XRDS-Simple
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I've updated the
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schedule to show that Sam will speak on July 22 <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Schedule">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Schedule</a></p><a name="action07"
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id="action07"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri to
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find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><a name="action08"
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri
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and karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging
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and W3C. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p><a name="action09"
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Renato
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and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p><a name="action10"
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
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invite Lars or Eric from Geolocation API to W3C Social Web XG
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for context comm call [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> will ping people</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ack</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.alpsp.org/ngen_public/article.asp?aid=73515">http://www.alpsp.org/ngen_public/article.asp?aid=73515</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PhilA:</cite> at conference with people
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talking about mobile web and other speakers that talked alot
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about social networking at a marketing tool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> <a href=
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"http://thewayoftheweb.net/">http://thewayoftheweb.net/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/">http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PhilA:</cite> shares page to Dan
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Thorton, works for radio</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> Ros Lawler <a href=
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"http://econsultancy.com/blog/2172-random-house-s-ros-lawler-on-widgets-and-web-2-0">
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http://econsultancy.com/blog/2172-random-house-s-ros-lawler-on-widgets-and-web-2-0</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PhilA:</cite> another speaker that stood
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out, see shared link<br />
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... either would be interesting to have as invited speaker with
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regard to well funded agencies are doing with social
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networking</p><a name="action11" id="action11"></a><p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>//www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> see <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Schedule">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Schedule</a></p><a name="action13"
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to invite Ros lawler and/or Dan
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Thornton to tallk about marketing through social media
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 5. Business of
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Social Networks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> DKA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Dan???</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> cprey can you help share
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your thoughts about work to do around business side ? .... part
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of the work from the group needs to inform the community about
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the benefits about the open social web ecosystem<br />
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... as apposed to the wall garden approach<br />
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... that was my thinking</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> dka recapped it very well
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... wants work from group to have impact in a business
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context</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> cprey: is this the
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type of thing that is needed? <a href=
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"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/business_model_for_open_distributed">
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http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/business_model_for_open_distributed</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> would like to describe
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some scenarios how a open social web could come about and in
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what ways could it be beneficial to the bottom line</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> not sure if this is
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really relevant -- but I see some interesting business related
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user stories here : <a href=
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"http://www.primelife.eu/images/stories/deliverables/h5.1.1-policy_requirements-public.pdf">
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http://www.primelife.eu/images/stories/deliverables/h5.1.1-policy_requirements-public.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> would benefit by hearing
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more from businesses on their concerns ... in what areas do
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businesses wish to see more standardization<br />
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... communication would be best to go both ways, us to listen
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to them</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> mentioned the idea of
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sharing the location information between mobile startups<br />
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... have somebody speak about how they're extending xmpp but at
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a business level if the ceo's got together and said it would be
|
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beneficial for them to share location information<br />
|
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... its an interesting overlap of both business and
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technology</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.socialtimes.com/2009/06/social-data-cloud/">http://www.socialtimes.com/2009/06/social-data-cloud/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
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ask about oslo biz story</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> OSLO are a pretty
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mysterious bunch.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> OSLO: <a href=
|
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"http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-aims-to-break-down-mobile-social-network-barriers/">
|
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-aims-to-break-down-mobile-social-network-barriers/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> so it's these guys,
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with xmpp etc? - <a href=
|
|
"http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/wiki/TechnologyChoices">
|
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http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/wiki/TechnologyChoices</a>
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<a href=
|
|
"http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/">http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> one thing that could be
|
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missing from the use cases whats the best way to do data
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portability from a business perspective</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>samcritchley</cite>> I think
|
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Aka-aki and Nulaz are in OSLO</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, I can confirm
|
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that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>samcritchley</cite>> couple of
|
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others too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://download.aka-aki.com/press/mitteilungen/EN/02232009_oslo_alliance.pdf">
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http://download.aka-aki.com/press/mitteilungen/EN/02232009_oslo_alliance.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> to keep our work
|
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grounded to the businesses</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.socialtimes.com/2009/06/social-data-cloud/">http://www.socialtimes.com/2009/06/social-data-cloud/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> there some mentions of
|
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the big social webs are sharing information</p>
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|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> think its good to look
|
|
at little companies as well as the big companies ... activity
|
|
can happen a lot faster typically at the smaller companies</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to the importance of
|
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the "little companies."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re opensocial and
|
|
w3c, see recent Wookie/Widgets proposal in the Apache
|
|
Foundation - <a href=
|
|
"http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200907.mbox/browser">
|
|
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200907.mbox/browser</a></p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> +1 for the
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|
longtail</p><a name="action16" id="action16"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri circulate wookie proposal to
|
|
the xg [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p>
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|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-53
|
|
- Circulate wookie proposal to the xg [on Dan Brickley - due
|
|
2009-07-15].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> from a w3c perspective
|
|
want to make it easier to share data</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 7. # Portability
|
|
Task Force</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 7. Portability Task
|
|
Force</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>??: ought to be clear if charter says not
|
|
about creating new technology</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Here's this
|
|
sentence from the charter: "Our goal is to provide a forum
|
|
through which collaborations relating to social web standards
|
|
can be formed, and through which the results of practical
|
|
standards-oriented collaborations can be reported and
|
|
discussed."</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> think we should not
|
|
invent new protocols, was my idea from the start</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Adam jsalvachua ==
|
|
petef</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> w3c isn't necessarily
|
|
about implementing new protocols</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> charter is written in
|
|
that way to share that the group wasn't necessarily about
|
|
creating something new</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> The task force
|
|
could always identify areas where it thinks new protocols are
|
|
needed, and then people from the TF could work outside the TF
|
|
and XG to create protocols that fit into those gaps.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We can't prevent
|
|
people from informally making things :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> In fact, we want to
|
|
informally for people to get together!!!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> if members of the group
|
|
want to get together and invent things thats fine but be clear
|
|
of what your doing and be transparent regarding patent
|
|
policy</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> how can we start?
|
|
with a statement of whats out there right now?<br />
|
|
... to talk about new combinations</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>petef:</cite> thats sounds good</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> ok, petef and I
|
|
should start talking about this after summer when people are
|
|
more available</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> agree with overall sense
|
|
of things<br />
|
|
... but would like more detail ... would be great if this group
|
|
was able to generate excitement about making portability and a
|
|
practical plan to approach portability</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> danbri - what's
|
|
FOAF's role in this?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> would like to have
|
|
some sort of proof of concept of the ideas they are
|
|
developing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I would also like
|
|
to see mappings between OpenSocial, XFN, vCard, and
|
|
PortableContacts to FOAF.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> With XML-based
|
|
formats, done via GRDDL.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I don't want to draw
|
|
away from the useful discussion on data portability, but can we
|
|
have a section in this Task Force which explains what might be
|
|
business benefits of data portability?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> have something that
|
|
guides people with OpenSocial, FOAF etc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> aside - <a href=
|
|
"http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/interview_with_tim_berners-lee_part_1.php">
|
|
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/interview_with_tim_berners-lee_part_1.php</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Might need Python
|
|
to sort of move contacts in various formats.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> what about
|
|
mattroweshow work on mappings for social vocabularies ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> i now more a
|
|
ruby guy :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I'm still in the
|
|
dark ages of python or perl!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> would like to learn what
|
|
the business benefits to the open data portability<br />
|
|
... maybe charging people when importing / exporting data</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> hmm <a href=
|
|
"http://wiki.dataportability.org/display/dpmain/Business+Case">http://wiki.dataportability.org/display/dpmain/Business+Case</a>
|
|
looks a bit work-in-progress</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Business case: if
|
|
you enable import of contacts from other sites, then it lowers
|
|
the barrier to entry for new people signing up at your site,
|
|
hence get more users, hence get more advertising revenue.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> one case might be to
|
|
have your smaller social site wanting to market about kite
|
|
flying and them using information from Facebook .. have an open
|
|
format for exchanging that data</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> and if you allow
|
|
export of data you encourage users to try your service without
|
|
fear of lockin or wasted effort</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Thanks for the link
|
|
DanBri!! very confirming</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> biz case of being
|
|
able to accept open data formats is fairly no-brainer; biz case
|
|
of unlocking user data is tougher ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> of my suspicions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> It would be nice if
|
|
these use-cases found their way into the use-case stories on
|
|
the wiki - anyone up for that?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> if social networks want
|
|
to start selling services to companies, the companies
|
|
themselves need to be able to control their data<br />
|
|
... and link to other sites that control their data</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> there are about 100+
|
|
companies who are already in teh business of business social
|
|
networks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2009/04/data-portability-and-media-explaining-the-business-case/">
|
|
http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2009/04/data-portability-and-media-explaining-the-business-case/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> they are not
|
|
interested in companies being able to export their
|
|
data/leave</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> so my point was
|
|
summarised here: <a href=
|
|
"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/business_model_for_open_distributed">
|
|
http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/business_model_for_open_distributed</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> federated
|
|
directories?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> adam: we've been
|
|
talking mostly about use-cases involving marketing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> adam: but how about
|
|
enterprise management</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> adam: when we want
|
|
to have our corporate social network reach out to others on
|
|
another corporate social network</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> adam: when we have
|
|
some agreement</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> do not have
|
|
documented case (user story) covering how enterprises can
|
|
benefit from data portability</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> adam: but we have
|
|
to respect privacy and security of this data.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> he's our scribe
|
|
today!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> DKA: really likes
|
|
adam's story</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> i have a real
|
|
use case on this that we may have to implement, i will try to
|
|
write it.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Boeing's internal
|
|
stuff is really neat!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> yep</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> cool</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> does Sun have
|
|
similar story/use case?</p><a name="action17" id=
|
|
"action17"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to write up the boeing use case
|
|
for enterprise social networks [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-54
|
|
- Write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks
|
|
[on Adam Boyet - due 2009-07-15].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, sun has
|
|
similar use cases</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> emphasize CROSS
|
|
enterprise</p><a name="action18" id="action18"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to write up the social network
|
|
data exchange story [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-55
|
|
- Write up the social network data exchange story [on Harry
|
|
Halpin - due 2009-07-15].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> have a story for two
|
|
companies to collaborate<br />
|
|
... will try to expand on the use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> well it's not just
|
|
cross enterprise, there is also enterprise-individual,
|
|
enterprise-government, enterprise-university, inter university,
|
|
and all possible combinations :-)</p><a name="action19" id=
|
|
"action19"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> jsalvachua to write up business
|
|
use-case with the company he's been working with. [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
|
|
find user - jsalvachua</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ack me?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
discuss "code visits data vs data visits code" opensocial
|
|
pitch</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> wants to talk about
|
|
distinction google made when rolling out OpenSocial</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> tinkster - want to
|
|
write up the marketing use-case for the use-case document?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> hhalpin: as in
|
|
this? "Business case: if you enable import of contacts from
|
|
other sites, then it lowers the barrier to entry for new people
|
|
signing up at your site, hence get more users, hence get more
|
|
advertising revenue."</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> prior to those apis, a
|
|
lot of people thought about letting the data go .... google
|
|
said what about the data staying where it is such that a widget
|
|
stays where the data is and runs in a controlled
|
|
environment</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Yes, just add that
|
|
to the use-case story wiki</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> from businesses
|
|
perspective, its not just about freeing the data or keeping the
|
|
data but a little bit of both</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> ACTION Toby to add
|
|
user story along lines of... if you enable import of contacts
|
|
from other sites, then it lowers the barrier to entry for new
|
|
people signing up at your site, hence get more users, hence get
|
|
more advertising revenue.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-56
|
|
- Add user story along lines of... if you enable import of
|
|
contacts from other sites, then it lowers the barrier to entry
|
|
for new people signing up at your site, hence get more users,
|
|
hence get more advertising revenue. [on Toby Inkster - due
|
|
2009-07-15].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that's the question:
|
|
why would you ever want to free up this data?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> clap, clap</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>dandbri:</cite> there are 2 widget
|
|
platforms: w3c widget, other is OpenSocial<br />
|
|
... there is a new one in the Apache space called wookie trying
|
|
to bridge the two</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> echo
|
|
....</p><a name="action20" id="action20"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to write up widget business
|
|
tory [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-57
|
|
- Write up widget business tory [on Dan Brickley - due
|
|
2009-07-15].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> see <a href=
|
|
"http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200907.mbox/browser">
|
|
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200907.mbox/browser</a>
|
|
for wookie proposal - w3c widgets meet opensoccial widgets</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> any other talk about
|
|
portability</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re widgets and biz,
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maybe i can mention - <a href=
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"http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/introducing-joost-widgets-2007-talk-presentation">
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http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/introducing-joost-widgets-2007-talk-presentation</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> question about people
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contacting somebody at facebook regarding privacy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Chris Kelly, Chief
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Privacy officer</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> might be able to poke a
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contact there if have more information about what we would like
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to ask of him<br />
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... to have more context when contacting him</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> maybe an email
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Q&A is best for him, initially?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that's what I would
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like (suggested)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agreed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> My feeling is that
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we want to have him to talk to us at some point, but we can
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probably only do that once so we need to have our questions
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ready :)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> maybe a Q&A
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interaction as a good first step</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> any updates on the
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facebook privacy</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> don't have much more
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detail other then articles shared<br />
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... some people on both sides of the privacy fence</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i dont know
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anything about it,</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_day_facebook_changed_messages_to_become_pulic.php">
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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_day_facebook_changed_messages_to_become_pulic.php</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cprey:</cite> don't know enough about
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the policy part, leave that to the experts</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> received some mix reaction
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when shared it internally</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.scribd.com/doc/17010802/Facebook-Privacy-Presentation-July-1-2009">
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/17010802/Facebook-Privacy-Presentation-July-1-2009</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> it's about audience
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segregation, mainly</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/01/the-looming-facebook-privacy-fiasco/">
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/01/the-looming-facebook-privacy-fiasco/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> +1 to DKA</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> you do get much segregation
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even within the same country</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> q*</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ( many privacy
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issues are highly counterintuitive - teenagers don't know about
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probability and de-anonymising data )</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> in terms of what to ask
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privacy officer of facebook, bouncing some ideas from what came
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out of the privacy jungle discussion</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> also some ideas from
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the C Petersen paper</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>dka:</cite> why are social networks
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de-empasizing privacy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Privacy/Policy
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Commons would really help here. Creative Commons makes
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licensing really easy to understand: you can do this, you can't
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do that. We need the same easy at-a-glance system for
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privacy.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> <a href=
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"http://etc.cpeterson.org/documents/2009/savingface.pdf">http://etc.cpeterson.org/documents/2009/savingface.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://etc.cpeterson.org/documents/2009/savingface.pdf">http://etc.cpeterson.org/documents/2009/savingface.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/10/22/putting_privacy.html">
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http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2008/10/22/putting_privacy.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/02/19/GSA-survey.aspx">http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/02/19/GSA-survey.aspx</a>
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looks relevant but i don't know those folks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> I spoke to one very
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influential person in the online safety world recently who felt
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that it would be human rights people, not children's advocates,
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who would kill LBS</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/privacy/">http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/privacy/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> do the portabilty group
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want to have a task force meeting regarding getting some of
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this together</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> probably start later
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when the points are more clear</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Meeting
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adjourned</p>
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</div>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to write up
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the boeing use case for enterprise social networks [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri circulate
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wookie proposal to the xg [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to write
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up widget business tory [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to write
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up the social network data exchange story [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> jsalvachua to
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write up business use-case with the company he's been working
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with. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
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describe/implement a git repo of terms and conditions, and how
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they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
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summarize josh and soren't talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to invite
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Ros lawler and/or Dan Thornton to tallk about marketing through
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social media [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br />
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<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and
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karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C.
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
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find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to invite
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Lars or Eric from Geolocation API to W3C Social Web XG for
|
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context comm call [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to
|
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contact eran to talk, also about LRDD and XRDS-Simple [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and
|
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DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sören to
|
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propose addition to the template for user stories for conditions
|
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tinkster to
|
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document developer stories on wiki. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tinkster to
|
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document developer stories on wiki. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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