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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>MMSEM XG First Face to face meeting in Amsterdam</h1>
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<h2>10 Jul 2006</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Jul/0009.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-irc">IRC
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log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Jeff_Pan, meeting_room, Vassilis, Chalaschek, JeffP</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>raphael</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>jacco2, Giovanni</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">W3C process 101</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">1. Charter Overview /
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Objectives</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">MMSEM Background and
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Demonstrations</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Discussion of "Image annotation on
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the Semantic Web" note:
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">Discussion of "Semantic Web Image
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Annotation Interoperability"</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> this will be mmsem
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First F2F</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> what conference is
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this?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: jacco2</p>
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<p class='phone'>people on IRC: you can connect by phone
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too!</p>
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<p class='phone'>See phone number in the agenda</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pasquale</cite>> sorry, for now i
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can only irc</p>
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<p class='phone'>Chair opens the meeting and welcomes all
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participants</p>
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<p class='phone'>start with role call</p>
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<p class='phone'>Yioannis, athens, greece</p>
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<p class='phone'>, feature extraction</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> I cannot hear very
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good</p>
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<p class='phone'>Vassilis, ITI, Greece, research interest
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SemWeb technologies and mm annotation</p>
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<p class='phone'>Giovanni, DBin project, DBin is p2p metadata
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exchange</p>
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<p class='phone'>Christian, PhD student, also from Ancona</p>
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<p class='phone'>Thomas, Koblenz, also in k-space and aceMedia
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- mediator role</p>
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<p class='phone'>thierry, DFKI, aslo in k-space. Member of ISO
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group on language resources</p>
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<p class='phone'>George, CWI, PhD student, also in k-space</p>
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<p class='phone'>Lynda, CWI, k-space</p>
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<p class='phone'>Jacco, CWI, Semantic Media Interfaces</p>
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<p class='phone'>Jeff Pan, chair of XG, semantic web languages,
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reasoning</p>
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<p class='phone'>Officially, we now have 21 members</p>
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<p class='phone'>Vassilis of NTUA is AC Rep for k-space
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members</p>
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<p class='phone'>Giovanni, membership is pending via Italian
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W3C office</p>
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<p class='phone'>We also have Susanne Boll as an invited
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expert</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> hi Vassilis, do you
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plan to join on the phone ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VassilisTzouv</cite>> Hello all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> Hi Vassilis</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VassilisTzouv</cite>> Yes I will
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join on the phone</p>
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<p class='phone'>Vassilis and Yiannis connect by phone &
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IRC, have send slides which will be presented later</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Chair introduces W3C
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processes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Explains about zakim
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and RRSagent: all members, please lookup the short explanations
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on the W3C website</p>
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<h3 id="item01">W3C process 101</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> each member will be
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asked to scribe</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> we will have
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bi-weekly teleconf, which will be announced on the web page and
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mailing list</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> public minutes will
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be published</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1130-sb-w3c-ac-mangrpt/Overview.html#(15)">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1130-sb-w3c-ac-mangrpt/Overview.html#(15)</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Chair explains goal
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of the W3C incubators.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Incubator Activity:
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1130-sb-w3c-ac-mangrpt/Overview.html#(15)">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1130-sb-w3c-ac-mangrpt/Overview.html#(15)</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael shows slides
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of Steve</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Important: XGs are
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light-weight, and will finish within one year</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Goal is to publish
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technical report with advice to W3C about potential
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Recommendation track followup</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> We are the second XG
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within W3C</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> jeff: xg is new way
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to prepare a new activity, with much better infrastructure as
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before</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> jeff: OWL was based
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on member submission on DAML+OIL, but it took still 2 years to
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get the OWL REC out, which is not that much difference</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> With the XG we have a
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better infrastructure to do the ground work of the
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preparation</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> So later during this
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F2F we should discuss if we want to try to setup a Working
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Group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> ... after the charter
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of the XG ends</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: the Content
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Labeling XG was the first XG, labeling content for parental
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guidance etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> We plan to work
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closely with this XG, invite all members to follow the work of
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this XG</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> This XG is the second
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XG, last week the 3rd XG started on "GEO", geo-tagging etc</p>
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<h3 id="item02">1. Charter Overview / Objectives</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael shows
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charter</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Explain history of
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the MM taskforce of the SWBPD group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Goal 1 of this XG:
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show how semweb can be used to achieve mm metadata
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interoperability</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Non-goal: create new
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MM metadata standards</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Goal 2: show added
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value of formal semantics by describing practical applications
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and examples</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Goal 3: provide best
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practices based on the above</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Open questions: the
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modalities do we address, what standards, etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Intro of Massimo: I'm
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from CNR Pisa, multimedia understanding, Semantic Web and
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XML-based languages</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yioannis:W3C lives
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too much in its own world, need to talk to other bodies more.
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In addition, related standards like mpeg-7 have not yet
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finished. So we need to communicate to these bodies</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> So how will this
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happen?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: I agree,
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best way is to have representatives from these other bodies in
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this XG as a member or invited expert</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> But I do not know who
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could best represent the MPEG-7 community</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yioannis: we could
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recommend a view names</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yionannis: I think
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interoperability is the key issue, we would focus on automatic
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annotation</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> Can people say their
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names before they speak please?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis (ITI): I
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agree with previous speaker. Not only focus on the RDF-level,
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also OWL, Rules or extensions.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Modalities: we could
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start with images and then try to extend later</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> jeff: agrees with
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Vassilis</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> Jeff: ... and OWL and
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rules are also considered in the charter explicitly</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: MMTF of the
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SWBPD only did images, maybe do this again is not a good
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idea</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: Wants to
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stress the importance of real use cases, not focus on theory
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& formalisation side</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: I've tried
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the music-oriented sites, often felt lost. We could find good
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use cases in this area. Content-based identification is
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important, once we have a URI there is a lot we can do</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> What do we identify?
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Melody, wave signal, midi or mp3 file, etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: what is CDDB
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using? Giovanni: its based on a fingerprint of the recording,
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not very robust on for example other versions of the same track
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on a different album etc</p><a name="action01" id=
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"action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Giovanni to coordinate write up of a
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use case on music [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Christian: Agree with
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Giovanni, real use case in a distributed may also need to
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address right management</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: not
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everybody want all metadatato be open and free</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: Does the
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group care about rights management?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yionnis: addressing
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MPEG-21 is also part of the interoperability issue. Doing music
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means we expand from images to audio?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Thomas: different use
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cases with different modalities</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> SemWeb could be a
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good opportunity to also show high-level metadata intergrating
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multiple modalities.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> For example, using
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flickr annotations and than connecting it using semweb
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technology could be a good basis for a use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Flickr is a good
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example to show how easy things can be</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Thomas: our group is
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interested in combining modalities, like image + audio</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Thierry: I'm not a
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specialist on multimedia. Analysis of lyrics or speach
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transcripts could be used for this use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Thierry: we could
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also look at other projects for good use cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> A use case from, for
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example, the MESH project, could be on news.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: MUSCLE is
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working on music use cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> AXMEDIS is a big
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player in this</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Massimo, could you
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say something on MUSCLE</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>giovannit</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.axmedis.org/">http://www.axmedis.org/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> within the MPEG-7
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standard actually using the description schemes is really
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difficult</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to write up limitations of
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MPEG-7 description schemes [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> George: also wants to
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focus on real use cases, like the tagging example mentioned by
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Thomas</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> in MUSCLE we are
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developing an infrastructure to manage multimedia metadata
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(images, audio, video). We started using the MPEG-7
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standard.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> shall we have a use
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case for tagging?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Massimo, do you
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have concrete use cases written in MUSCLE ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> About MUSIC ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> george: blogging
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could be another use case, with different modalities</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> I think we should
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remember the use cases of the Semantic Web: eg: catalogs of
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personal photos,</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> systems able to
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recognize persons' faces</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> george: DRM: I can
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see the concern, but it is a hard issue that will not be solved
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by this group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> and then a thing we
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haven't still seen that is about processed needed to obtain
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multimedia objects</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> giovannni: need to
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align social/human tagging with formal/machine tagging</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: was a
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workshop on this topic at WWW conference, this community starts
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to pick this up.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>lynda</cite>> jacco: images too
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limited, so include other modalities</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>lynda</cite>> bridge gap between
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formal ontologies and tagging</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> about music
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thinking of the semweb use case the personal catalog and the
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catalog of groups (sorry i can't hear i don't want to break who
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is talking)</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> george to write up a use case around
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tagging [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> raphael: summary:
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focus on practical use cases like music combined with lyrics
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analysis and lower level feature extraction, use case on social
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tagging and semantic web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yioannis: our
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features are not limited to the ones defined by MPEG-7</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: when you
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use additional features, there is no incentive to go through
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all the pain of a standardized serialization, becuase there is
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no aother tool which can read it anyway</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: this is
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related to the fact that MPEG-7 semantics is described in
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informal English only, not machine readable version.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> SemWeb approach could
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help here</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>giovannit</cite>> jacco: well not
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really english only , there is structuring among the
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decriptors, but the meaning of each one is then in english</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yioannis:mpeg-7 is
|
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discussing support transformation matrices to transform
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labels</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Nikolaos_Simou is
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Vassilis</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vasilis: want to
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raise the question if we are interested in ontologicalization
|
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of low level features?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VassilisTzouv</cite>>
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Nikolaos_Simou is Vassilis</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: for what do
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you need a semantic interpretation of the low level
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descriptors?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> yioannis: we need
|
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both numeric and symbolic features in various
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levels</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yioanis to write up use case showing
|
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the need for semantic interpretation of low level features
|
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> yioannis: in the
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"fused" model all modalities are used to improve the automatic
|
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annotation</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>>
|
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to write up use case in the
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news domain [recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> IPTC standardizes
|
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NewsML, now doing version 2 of NewsML</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> CWI works with IPTC
|
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in the context of K-Space</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> NewsML will likely be
|
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in the spirit of RDF, but based on an XML syntax</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> A representative of
|
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IPTC is expected to join the XG in the near future</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: there are
|
|
different sources of metadata: from the camera, from the
|
|
photographer's (manual) annotation tool, news agency will add
|
|
more metadata, etc</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> (trying not to
|
|
break the conversation..) i think we have to remember two more
|
|
things about use cases: (1) the "Image annotation on the
|
|
Semantic Web" note (<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation_galway.html)">http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation_galway.html)</a>,
|
|
Jacco is one of the editors and (2) Algorithms (processed) to
|
|
obtain multimedia objects</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> URL of last version
|
|
of the note is at <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html</a></p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> (...processeS
|
|
/)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: we could
|
|
think about form interfaces generated by local event
|
|
ontologies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> massimo, what do you
|
|
mean with 'obtain multimedia objects'? Object tracking &
|
|
recognition?</p>
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|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> i think there could
|
|
be systems able to reconstruct multimedia objects</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: should we
|
|
provide some demo web service for mm annotation?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> a set of steps to
|
|
re-obtain an object</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni:, yes, if we
|
|
can pinpoint to a basic feature like identification, that
|
|
crosses all use cases</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> thinking of images
|
|
for example if an image is obtained after having applied some
|
|
algorithms then we can repeat the same steps to do it again</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Maybe there will be
|
|
an XG on identification as a followup of the Workshop at
|
|
WWW2006 on this topic</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: Repeats
|
|
things said by Massimo on IRC.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Notes that the "Image
|
|
annotation on the Semantic Web" will be discussed by Jacco in
|
|
the afternoon</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vasilis: I think
|
|
massimo refers to the process of analyzing the content
|
|
automatically</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> to analyze and to
|
|
reproduce the content</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> For example: To
|
|
recognize this feature, you should apply this process</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Massimo, can you
|
|
explain about "reproduce the content"</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Is this a topic in
|
|
Muscle?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> yes in Muscle and
|
|
in the ace Media</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> (the call for a
|
|
common multimedia ontology(</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Thierry: Raphael,
|
|
what is the role of low level features in your NewsML
|
|
scenario?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: Currently
|
|
none...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Massimo, could you
|
|
write up something about the need for being able to reproducing
|
|
the content? Could I give you an action point?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> ok, i'm writing it
|
|
give me some minutes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> there is no need to
|
|
hurry :-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> :-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> Massimo, for the
|
|
record, could you send to the public list please?</p><a name=
|
|
"action06" id="action06"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Massimo to write up use case on
|
|
analysis and reproducing content [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> ok</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: Mentioned
|
|
that this XG will focus on metadata interoperability, where
|
|
k-space is doing work on combining low level features</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis: are we
|
|
considering cross modality interoperability?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: yes, we
|
|
discussed this in the beginning of the meeting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis: I'm not
|
|
sure this is in scope for the 1st deliverable?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: We have not
|
|
decided about what documents and deliverables we will
|
|
produce</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis: if it still
|
|
on the metadata level, it is ok</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: summary of
|
|
morning session: people have shown interest on practical use
|
|
cases on different modalities and domains, 6 action points to
|
|
write up use cases</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: use cases
|
|
will also look at the way RDF, OWL, rules etc will be used to
|
|
solve the use case problem</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Now first lunch,
|
|
after lunch we well have time for some demonstrations, after
|
|
coffee break more discussion about the deliverables of the
|
|
XG</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Lunch break!</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item03">MMSEM Background and Demonstrations</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ??P0 is
|
|
meeting_room</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>giovannit</cite>> jeff: fine with
|
|
me to start again</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> scribe: Giovanni</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>giovannit</cite>> (practicing the
|
|
scribing..)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> scribenick:
|
|
giovannit</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>i'll attempt my best (-:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> 10 minute per person
|
|
presentation</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> Are the slides
|
|
available online?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> jeff, we will make
|
|
the slides available asap</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> thanks!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Jacco show demo at
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://e-culture.multimedian.nl/demo/search">http://e-culture.multimedian.nl/demo/search</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>ecoluter applications: converted metadata of a
|
|
few museums into rdf and seen how far we get without doing
|
|
heavy weight alignment</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> All the slides
|
|
shwon will be at: <a href=
|
|
"http://homepages.cwi.nl/~troncy/tmp/W3C/">http://homepages.cwi.nl/~troncy/tmp/W3C/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://homepages.cwi.nl/~troncy/tmp/W3C/BOEMIE_MMSEM_100706.ppt">
|
|
http://homepages.cwi.nl/~troncy/tmp/W3C/BOEMIE_MMSEM_100706.ppt</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>jaccos'd demo shows a full text search which
|
|
works recursively on the rdf graph</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>basically resources are collected starting
|
|
from those which have a literal attached matching the query, a
|
|
number of euristics and settings enable meaningful rating and
|
|
limiting of the end result</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the whole structure works also fine when
|
|
generic dataset is loaded, providing an ontology based
|
|
navigations of the instances and visualization of related
|
|
metadata. Cool ajax makes it apparently very responsive</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the work is powered by swi prolog. Jacco says
|
|
they tried doing this in sparql but the expressivity is really
|
|
not sufficient for the needs of the algorithms used here.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Ioannis presenting now</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>presentation introduces ellogon <a href=
|
|
"http://www.ellogon.org">http://www.ellogon.org</a> a general
|
|
purpose language engineering platform</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>CIL:</cite> a computational intelligence
|
|
laboratory, applications are shown in the area of OCR , shape
|
|
based retrieval, human tracking</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>violence detection</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>now presenting the BOEMIE project</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>low level methodologies are improoving but
|
|
high level annotation extraction is still difficult, the use of
|
|
ontologies to drive the information extraction process seem
|
|
very interesting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> BOEMIE is, and other
|
|
slides will be, published at <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Among the aspects involved in this project are
|
|
semantically annotated maps, evolving ontologies and fusion of
|
|
different aspects of multimedia metadata</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>a use case/query is presented merging all the
|
|
aspects covered by the project.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> there are other EU
|
|
proejcts which have similar goals ,what ar ethe
|
|
differences?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>ioannis:</cite> BOEMIE is concerned with
|
|
multimodal metadata , to the best of my knowledge there is not
|
|
much overlap with the other projects</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>question: at which level is the fusion
|
|
actually going to happen</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>ioannis:</cite> the fusion is going to
|
|
be supported by reasoning. Mid level concepts will be
|
|
constructed and reasoning mechanism will take the decisions
|
|
about the high level concepts<br />
|
|
... another novel concept is that the semantic extraction is
|
|
knowledge driven, using an ontology</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>vassilis presenting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>toward a common multimedia ontology framework:
|
|
initiative started a few months ago , a framework for
|
|
collecting existing metadata knowledge reppresentation , an
|
|
approach for harmonization..</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><a href=
|
|
"http://www.acemedia.org/aceMedia/reference/Multimedia_ontology/index.html">
|
|
http://www.acemedia.org/aceMedia/reference/Multimedia_ontology/index.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>In the first phase of this initiative, a
|
|
number of requirements were collected</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>reasoning support needs rules and DL based
|
|
methoodologies but also uncertainty and fuzzyness</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>modularization is agreed to be an important
|
|
feature. Smaller ontologies which are reusable, specific and
|
|
interoperable</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there is the need of a upper ontology
|
|
"merging" or "harmonization". In general some practical way for
|
|
interoperability since people are using different ones.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>a semi automatic image annotation tool is
|
|
shown. Automatic image segmentation helps a human operator to
|
|
associate ontology labels (shown as a tree)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> about the possible
|
|
use case on algorithms..</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> Currently we have
|
|
sets of tools to extract features from multimedia objects:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> a set of rules can
|
|
be defined able to establish which tools could be</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> combined and how
|
|
(e.g. put in a pipeline).</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> Considering for
|
|
example image understanding problems (e.g. segmentation,</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> analysis, ...),</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> a thesaurus
|
|
containing related concepts and algorithm could be thought
|
|
of.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> It would important
|
|
to represent features on how metadata could be</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> extracted so that
|
|
it could be used at a higher level</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> for images and
|
|
multimedia information handling in general.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> Another important
|
|
feature would be to take trace of how a specific</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> result has been
|
|
obtained starting from a particular input.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> A specific case of
|
|
image elaboration:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> it is necessary to
|
|
apply to the image a series of algorithms to</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> calculate a
|
|
property (region shapes, color distribution)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> The chain of
|
|
algorithms defines a procedure that resolve the given
|
|
problem.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> It would be
|
|
interesting to 'store' the procedure - as an ordered set of</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> algorithms - to add
|
|
'knowledge'</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> to a system for
|
|
interpretation and analysis.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> Once stored this
|
|
procedure the knowledge increases and another problem</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> could be resolved
|
|
applying the procedures already inserted.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> Finally, this
|
|
knowledge could be codified using an ontology that merges</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> procedures and
|
|
problems.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: what about
|
|
a formal cooperation between this XG and the requirements work
|
|
started by aceMedia</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: yes, we
|
|
will. Yiannis will become a member.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis of NTUA
|
|
presenting slides at <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/IVML.profile.2006.06.ppt">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/IVML.profile.2006.06.ppt</a>
|
|
via the telephone</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Yannis presenting
|
|
slides at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/IVML.background.2006.06.ppt">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/IVML.background.2006.06.ppt</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Yannis speaking (NTUA) analisys of image and
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video content for automatic annotaion. A tool is shown for
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automatic segmentation, and manual region merging</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> me: hi Chris</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VassilisTzouv</cite>> Hi chris</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chalaschek</cite>> Hi guys...time
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difference is quite difficult for me :(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> Hi Chris</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> hi Chris, welcome
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and thx for joining</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VassilisTzouv</cite>> what time is
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now in maryland?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chalaschek</cite>> 9:45am</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chalaschek</cite>> Are you guys on
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break now?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Show coffee break,
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start again in 5 minutes with Thomas presentation and DBin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Thomas presenting
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/iswebAtMMSEM.pdf">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/iswebAtMMSEM.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> giovanni presenting
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slides, will put online later</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> slides are on
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distributed man/macine cooperative mm annotation</p>
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<h3 id="item04">Discussion of "Image annotation on the Semantic
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Web" note: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html</a></h3>
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<p class='phone'>jacco gives an over view of the semantic web
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best practices and deployment working group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/">http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/</a></p><a name="action07"
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id="action07"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL give comments on the "Image
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annotation on the Semantic Web" Working Draft [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> The deadline for
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the comments are 24/07/2006 !</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> schedule: finish
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this draft and get it published as a Working Group Note by
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SWBPD in the summer</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> give your comments
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now or never :-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Maintain the
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resources pages: Overview, Tools, Vocabularies</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> In charge of this
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XG !</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> raphael mentions DOAP
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as an example of things we could do</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: what about
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a wiki?</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> raphael to see if the W3C wiki can be
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used to maintain these pages [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Giovanni volunteer
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these pages</p>
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<h3 id="item05">Discussion of "Semantic Web Image Annotation
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Interoperability"</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jacco: this group
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should explore what is there and what could be improved</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... W3C is
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concerned about what remains to be done in the multimedia
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domain</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... needs for more
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industrial involvent</p>
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<p class='phone'>jacco says w3c is somehow puzzled about
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multimedia, traditionally being an ISO o MPEG-7 topic, but the
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topic of multimedia semantics is so clearly connected with the
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SW activity</p>
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<p class='phone'>so w3c should probably do even more</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> giovanni: metric of
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what the advantage of using the semantic web is might also
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involve just lines of code, not only performance etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: maybe
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interoperability deliverable should also be centered around
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clear use cases, not around the standards as it is now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> jeff: are we talking
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about the deliverables in the charter?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: I'm not sure
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yet how many deliverables we are going to produce and it what
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order</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: The proposal
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includes to broaden the scope to other modalities, but focus on
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use cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis: I agree to
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start from use cases, they do the same in RIF</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> giovanni: list of
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things we can do (semi) automatically, with some rating on how
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reliable this is</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> i agree to Vassilis
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starting from use cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> so we know when to
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connect for example to social tagging for things we cannot do
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automatic</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Ioannis: I think it
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is better to start from the use cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Giovanni: but the two
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are very similar</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> For example, if you
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have a music scenario, with a request for "similar" music, what
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do you mean by similar and what types of similarity can you do
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automatically?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Ioannis: but is a
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very broad question, use cases might focus discussion</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Vassilis: what is the
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focus? interoperability or the reliability of the extracted
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metadata?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Ioannis: stick to the
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existing use cases of the image annotation draft</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Jacco: I would like
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to stick to the use cases discussed in the morning</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> Raphael: we will
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discuss deadlines on the action points tomorrow</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jacco</cite>> for use cases
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discussed in the morning, see action points at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#ActionSummary">
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#ActionSummary</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>>
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Restaurant-Café In de Waag, Nieuwmarkt 4, 1012 CR
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Amsterdam</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chalaschek</cite>> enjoy dinner
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everyone</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Massimo</cite>> enjoy dinner and
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Amsterdam everyone !!! "see" you tomorrow</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pasquale</cite>> ciao</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL give comments
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on the "Image annotation on the Semantic Web" Working Draft
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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up a use case around tagging [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Giovanni to
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coordinate write up of a use case on music [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Massimo to write
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> raphael to see if
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the W3C wiki can be used to maintain these pages [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to write
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up use case in the news domain [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to write
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up limitations of MPEG-7 description schemes [recorded in
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yioanis to write
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up use case showing the need for semantic interpretation of low
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level features [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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