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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>27 Jan 2010</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0064.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Erik, Davy, Raphael, Conrad_(IRC), Silvia, Philip</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Jack, Yves, Michael</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Raphael, Eric</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Raphael</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">F2F Meeting</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. Discussion</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">4. AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 27 January
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2010</p>
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<p class='phone'>Conrad, are you reading IRC only?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Raphael</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
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raphael</p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>
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<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20
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January 2009 telecon: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-127?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-127 -- Yves
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Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 --
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OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Minutes of 24/01 are accepted</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-127?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-127 -- Yves
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Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 --
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OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Thierry is taking care of that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we discuss yesterday the
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charter, and Philippe agree to one year extension for working
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on Media Fragment 1.0 only<br />
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... I made the request today to W3M<br />
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... I expect a positive answer since the domain leader
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agrees<br />
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... I and Philippe emphasize we need to go to last call
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asap</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Goal:</cite> important f2f next month,
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try to solve all issues in order to be prepared to be last call
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in March</p>
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<h3 id="item02">F2F Meeting</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Draft agenda: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> I will update the venue
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details on the wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> I will book zakim for
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these 2 days<br />
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... 08 and 09 March, 08:00 AM till 18:00 PM European time</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> please, enter topic of
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discussion of things you would like to have sorted out during
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the f2f meeting<br />
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... ALL, complete <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation</a></p>
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<h3 id="item03">3. Discussion</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I pointed out a weird
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character in the document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> might be an encoding
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problem ... UTF-8 displays solves it</p><a name="action01" id=
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"action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to fix the weird character in
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the spec document [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - troncy</p>
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<p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> feedback from FOMS<br />
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... discussion about Focus Attention behavior<br />
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... see <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html</a><br />
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... discussion between Conrad, I and Mozilla firefox developers
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and Philip<br />
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... we need to look at the # as a focus in the player<br />
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... comes back at the in-context / out-of-context previous
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discussion<br />
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... we should recommend what a UA should do in the UI when it
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is displaying a media fragment</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> for the spatial fragment,
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you will recommend that a UA will draw a rectangle on the
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region ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> A browser can always
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overrule what we say<br />
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... we haven't really dicussed spatial fragments
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rendering<br />
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... spatial is anyways very spatial, is it really a fragment
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?<br />
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... we have discussed the temporal fragment, 99% of our use
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cases :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I agree, let's focus on
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the temporal fragment rendering in UI<br />
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... I'm looking at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing</a><br />
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... the Section 5 of the current draft</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> oh noes, I missed it
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didn't I?</p>
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<p class='phone'>nope philip, not yet</p>
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<p class='phone'>we are half of the telecon :-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> oh, we started 30
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minutes ago, righht?</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to draft a new subsection in
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the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI of media
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fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-130
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- Draft a new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the
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rendering in the UI of media fragments, at least for the
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temporal dimension [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-03].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I haven't thought about
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other dimensions</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I will think about
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rendering for other dimensions (spatial and tracks)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> another thread of
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discussion on the mailing list has been triggered by Werner:
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temporal fragments of media with time stamps</p>
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<p class='phone'>See <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>My summary: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> how should we handle
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that?<br />
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... SMPTE was motivated by frame-based access to media</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> let's restrict to time
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continuous type of media<br />
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... timestamps are just markers</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> contiguously marked
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SMPTE time codes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACYTION:</cite> Davy to write down a new
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ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner
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(see also raphael's summary)</p><a name="action03" id=
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"action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to write down a new ISSUE in the
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tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also
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raphael's summary) [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-131
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- Write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem
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raised by werner (see also raphael's summary) [on Davy Van
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Deursen - due 2010-02-03].</p>
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<p class='phone'>Last thing we need to discuss are the proposed
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changes of Philip</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>See:</cite> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> lucky I got here in
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time then :)</p>
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<p class='phone'>Philip, are you joining us on the phone ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>We would like to discuss your proposed
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changes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> I'll see if I can
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phone in</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Why did we choose ABNF
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syntax in a first place ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> can't remember why we
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choosed that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> let's ask Yves if he
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agrees to this change<br />
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... and more generally, to the group for the new
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paragraphs</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael will ask on the mailing list
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if anybody has any problem with these changes proposed by
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Philip [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - Raphael</p>
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<h3 id="item04">4. AOB</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> we should clearly mark
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the stable sections in the document<br />
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... for the mozilla developpers</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>foolip</cite>> and Opera developers
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:)</p>
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<p class='phone'>of course :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Philip:</cite> one more issue ...
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dealing with decimal point ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped</a></p><a name="action05"
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id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Philip to send to the mailing list a
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description of a new issue to be discussed (dealing with
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decimal for specifying time?) [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-132
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- Send to the mailing list a description of a new issue to be
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discussed (dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [on
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Philip Jägenstedt - due 2010-02-03].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I think we mainly now
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need to discuss the section 5.2.1.x</p><a name="action06" id=
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"action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik will try to generate some time
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diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-133
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- Will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol
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description in the section 5.2.1.x [on Erik Mannens - due
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2010-02-03].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ALL to not forget to add
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items for the agenda for the upcoming F2F meeting</p>
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<p class='phone'>[meeting adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to write
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down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by
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werner (see also raphael's summary) [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik will try to
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generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the
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section 5.2.1.x [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philip to send to
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the mailing list a description of a new issue to be discussed
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(dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael will ask
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on the mailing list if anybody has any problem with these changes
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proposed by Philip [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to draft a
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new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI
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of media fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to fix the
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weird character in the spec document [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<h2>Scribe.perl diagnostic output</h2>[Delete this section
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.135 of Date: 2009/03/02 03:52:20
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Check for newer version at <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Succeeded: s/paragrphs/paragraphs/
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Found Scribe: Raphael
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Inferring ScribeNick: raphael
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Found ScribeNick: raphael
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Present: Erik Davy Raphael Conrad_(IRC) Silvia Philip
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Regrets: Jack Yves Michael
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Agenda: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0064.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0064.html</a>
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Found Date: 27 Jan 2010
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items: davy erik philip raphael silvia troncy try will
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scribe.perl</a> diagnostic output]
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