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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>02 Sep 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0000.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dl>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Raphael, Davy, Silvia, Yves, thierry, Conrad</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Erik, Michael</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Raphael</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>raphael</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<ul>
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<li>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. UC and Requirements</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. Specification</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">4. Test Cases</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">5. Implementation</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">6. AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<div class="meeting">
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 02 September
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2009</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/</a></p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
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<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 26
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August 2009 telecon</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='phone'>Minutes accepted</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>Quick poll: <a href=
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"http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw">http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>We are still missing answers from Jack and
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Conrad</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> we are likely to meet
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during these 2 time slots on Thu 17 and Fri 18/09</p>
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<p class='phone'>[silence]</p>
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<p class='phone'>Anyone has a proposal for a virtual blackboard
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tool we could use ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I can book
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Zakim</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Thierry to book Zakim on Th 17 and Fri
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18/09, from 10:00 till 12:00 CET [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-102
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- Book Zakim on Th 17 and Fri 18/09, from 10:00 till 12:00 CET
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[on Thierry Michel - due 2009-09-09].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Ok will convert To
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prper Time</p>
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<p class='phone'>thanks</p>
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<p class='phone'>Yves and I will most likely share an office
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during the call</p>
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<h3 id="item02">2. UC and Requirements</h3>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-101?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-101 -- Yves
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Lafon to write a UC describing the use of aspect ratio feature
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and thus motivating its usage -- due 2009-09-02 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/101">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/101</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ... pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> reviews of our documents
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will come from the Media Annotations WG (Felix), and TimedText
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(Philippe)<br />
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... Chris from SVG said that they were interested to review it,
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but I don't know whether they have done something</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I will relaunch TAG early
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next week</p>
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<h3 id="item03">3. Specification</h3>
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<p class='phone'>3.1: Terminology</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> proposal to replace all
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occurence of URI by URI Ref, see <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0066.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0066.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Michael gave a +1 on the mailing list to this
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proposal</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> Yves, what is your take
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on that?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
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"http://labs.apache.org/webarch/uri/rfc/rfc3986.html#uri-reference">
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http://labs.apache.org/webarch/uri/rfc/rfc3986.html#uri-reference</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> we could also say
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that when we say URI we mean URI reference</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/</a>
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<- title</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> if we use the term URI ref,
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will the people understand what we mean?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> alternative (also
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suggested by Thierry) to add a paragraph clarifying our
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statement</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> +1 for a
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preliminary paragraph</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I'm ok with that, just
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wanted to point out the issue</p><a name="action02" id=
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"action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to write such a paragraph in
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our 2 documents, most likely within the Terminology sections
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-103
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- Write such a paragraph in our 2 documents, most likely within
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the Terminology sections [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due
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2009-09-09].</p>
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<p class='phone'>3.2 Syntax</p>
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<p class='phone'>Proposal for RESOLUTION: we will *NOT* allow
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editUnits</p>
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<p class='phone'>for specifying the temporal dimension</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> also to not fall in the
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trap of the MPEG-21 complexity</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: we will
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*NOT* allow editUnits for specifying the temporal
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dimension</strong></p>
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<p class='phone'>Discussion 2: have absolute time specification
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that contains day and year</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> all done, using the clock
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scheme, added in the document and wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#naming-syntax">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#naming-syntax</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> based on the HTML5/SMIL
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EBNF syntax</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-49?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-49 -- Yves
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Lafon to draft the HTTP-Range syntax for different units
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(completing all the syntax for the two way handshake) -- due
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2009-09-02 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> am hoping we can get
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a reference implementation using flumotion for the clock time
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spec</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> ongoing, but will have
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things done at the end of this week ... At least for seconds,
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so people can implement</p>
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<p class='phone'>3.3 UA Server HTTP Communication</p>
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<p class='phone'>The respective role of ? and #: see Silvia's
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blog post at <a href=
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"http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/08/19/jumping-to-time-offsets-in-videos/">
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http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/08/19/jumping-to-time-offsets-in-videos/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> what are the issues ?<br />
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... we could mandate the use of ? when there is transcoding
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happening<br />
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... since a new resource is created<br />
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... while # will be used in other cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
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"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the URI template might be
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usable now</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> what the URI template
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will be used for?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> it will be useful in the
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case of ? ... to say that the server is aware of how to process
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media sub-resources</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I wouldn't prescribe
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that<br />
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... I would rather say that URI template is useful in the case
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of ? but not make it dependent</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> it is mostly used in
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definition, no need for implementation<br />
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... I'm not sure this is the right solution, but worth to
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investigate</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> yes, we might do a URI
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template for the ?<br />
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... actually, I would look into it</p><a name="action03" id=
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"action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to start a thread on the mailing
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list to summarize the state of the discussion regarding ? and #
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(? when transcoding happening, #for other cases) + use of URI
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template for ? [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-104
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- Start a thread on the mailing list to summarize the state of
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the discussion regarding ? and # (? when transcoding happening,
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#for other cases) + use of URI template for ? [on Yves Lafon -
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due 2009-09-09].</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-69?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-69 --
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Conrad Parker to draw a representation of the general structure
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of a media resource, for streamable formats (H/H' + K + D1 + D2
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+ D3) -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>I will ping Conrad what's the status</p>
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<h3 id="item04">4. Test Cases</h3>
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<p class='phone'>ACTON-93?</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-93?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-93 --
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Michael Hausenblas to revisit the TC and see which are effected
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by the temporal-optional-comma-decision -- due 2009-07-29 --
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OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/93">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/93</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>still pending while I have closed
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ACTION-99</p>
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<p class='phone'>Michael tool: <a href=
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"http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/">http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Should we use this tool that Michael hacks
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?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I'm happy if Michael wants
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to further develop it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> do we have already
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feedback to provide to Michael ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>[silence]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I'm happy with the
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tool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> I think this table
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needs row numbers</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I interpret your silence
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as you would not mind to add new TC and interact with them</p>
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<p class='phone'>Feature proposal: add row numbers in the
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table</p>
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<p class='phone'>thanks Silvia</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> also, somebody needs
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to add the other discussed test cases :)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> yes, we will ask Michael
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:-)</p>
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<h3 id="item05">5. Implementation</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> nice demo, play it at
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<a href=
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"http://new.annodex.net/~silvia/itext/mediafrag.html">http://new.annodex.net/~silvia/itext/mediafrag.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
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"http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/02/demo-of-deep-hyperlinking-into-html5-video/">
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http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/02/demo-of-deep-hyperlinking-into-html5-video/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Blog post: <a href=
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"http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/02/demo-of-deep-hyperlinking-into-html5-video/">
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http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/02/demo-of-deep-hyperlinking-into-html5-video/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> what I have done is to
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showcase for the HTML5 WG what the media frag spec could
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do<br />
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... I don't cover all the spec, temporal dimension only and
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simple way of specifying time<br />
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... no error handling<br />
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... basic goal is to replicate YouTube functionalities ... but
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cooler ;-)<br />
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... everything implemented in Javascript<br />
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... it will become much more complicated if we implement all
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the schemes we foresee in the spec<br />
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... but the proof of concept is more important at this
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point</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> would you mind to cc the
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Media Fragments WG if you advertise this demo to the WHAT/HTML5
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mailing lists ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> no problem</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> perhaps warn the
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audience that this does not cover the protocol part of the
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spec, how the bits will be send between the server and the
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UA<br />
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... but on client side, it shows nicely what the media
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fragments URI spec will enable</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I have to use a hack for
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caching / optimizing the media duration and not perform look up
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all the time<br />
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... Mozilla guys are happy to make this feature standard
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anyway<br />
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... this is particular to the ogg format<br />
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... can I get approval from the group for advertizing this work
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to WHAT?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> absolutely !</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>Conrad, you're not on the phone, I need to
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chase you for some actions ... pending and overdue</p>
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<p class='phone'>is there any strong constraint with this hour
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for you?</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-90?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-90 -- Davy
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Van Deursen to provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to
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slice media files -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> still pending, it is more
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complicated than what I thought ...<br />
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... there is service, but these are not libraries we can
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interface</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> raphael, sorry, no
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strong constraint, i was delayed coming home from work</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we will use our platform,
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but we need to provide the interface<br />
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... for Yves's hacking<br />
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... I will write more information on the wiki page when this is
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done<br />
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... should be done by 17/09/2009</p>
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<p class='phone'>Wiki page: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ImplementationExperiment</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>Silvia, could you add your demo on this
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page?</p>
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<h3 id="item06">6. AOB</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Is there any other business you would like to
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discuss?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Conrad, could you please fill <a href=
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"http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw">http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw</a>
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asap ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we should think about
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the structure for the virtual meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> yep</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Discussion:</cite> ? vs # /
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implementations / protocol stuff / test cases</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Conrad:</cite> we need the status of
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your actions<br />
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... and we need to have a telecon on the protocol
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comparison</p>
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<p class='phone'>when can we have that?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> how is Action-69? Is
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it too hard to draw? would it be better to describe?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> action 69 is not yet
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done</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - 69</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> i have some diagrams
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close to that ;-)</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-69?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-69 --
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Conrad Parker to draw a representation of the general structure
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of a media resource, for streamable formats (H/H' + K + D1 + D2
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+ D3) -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Conrad:</cite> I have already diagrams
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close to that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Poll:</cite> <a href=
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"http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw">http://www.doodle.com/xbw9stfdmz3pr4nw</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>it would be great if you could make one of the
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two time slots</p>
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<p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> silvia to write
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such a paragraph in our 2 documents, most likely within the
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Terminology sections [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Thierry to book
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Zakim on Th 17 and Fri 18/09, from 10:00 till 12:00 CET [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to start a
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thread on the mailing list to summarize the state of the
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discussion regarding ? and # (? when transcoding happening, #for
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other cases) + use of URI template for ? [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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