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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>11 Mar 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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<p>See also: <a href=
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>raphael, mhausenblas, +31.20.592.aaaa, jackjansen,
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Thierry, +61.2.801.2.aabb, davy, nessy, erik, Yves,
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+06128012aacc</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Conrad</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Jack</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. PREPARATION OF WORKING
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DRAFT</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">2.2 use cases</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">2.4 http implementation</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">3. issues</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">5. AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 11 March
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> yves, are joi
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joining?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Jack</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> scribenick:
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jackjansen</p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> accept the minutes:
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html</a>
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?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> agenda: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>all:</cite> accepted</p>
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<p class='phone'>resolved: 44</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION:
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44</strong></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-44</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-44 Take
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care of zakim bridge for F2F closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> next issue: meeting at
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TPAC or not? Maybe we don't want to fly there in November, too
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expensive?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I probably won't make
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it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> annotations WG probably
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will meet</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> suggests we meet at a
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cheaper place. Hotels in California are more expensive, and
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there's a fee too.<br />
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... next topic: teleconf time. Heads up that next weeks
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teleconf is an hour early too.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> back to f2f: maybe I can
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arrange something through csiro?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> lets postpone discussion
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to Barcelona. For now main point is meeting at TPAC or not (to
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meet other groups)</p>
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<h3 id="item02">2. PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> some people seem to have
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CVS problems.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> yes, I do.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> various people have no
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problems.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I have also sent an
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email to the system about checking in documents</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> Erik: still problem
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(probably authentication issue)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> where is the
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document?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> overview.html</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> html does not match xml.
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Needs to be processed by stylesheet.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thierry has filled
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the section 3, I will checked it in</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> cvs up should give you
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updated documents<br />
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... back to syntax.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/">http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> The questionaire.<br />
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... Everyone happy with segment, which has the majority?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-45</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-45 Erik And
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Raphael to set up a questionnaire to find a name for the top
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level Media Fragment production rule closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> does this also change the
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other production names?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I think so. xxxfragment
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becomes xxxsegment for any xxx.<br />
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... Action 46 is ongoing.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>yves:</cite> had no time to work on it.
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In another f2f.</p>
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<h3 id="item03">2.2 use cases</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> working on it, seems ok
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so far.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Topic 2.3: existing technology.</p>
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<p class='phone'>s/Topic 2.3: Topic: 2.3</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> only need to do
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copying.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-23</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-23
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(together with Jean-Pierre) to add TV-Anytime also to Existing
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Technologies Survey closed</p>
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<h3 id="item04">2.4 http implementation</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> need to use real media.
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Jack suggests using prerecorded video from Nice<br />
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... Does current text capture intention?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> think so, need to check</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> me too</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> need to fill pro+con
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section, especially caching.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: suggest to
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flip the examples ... 4-ways handshake is better equiped to
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have different ranges</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... while the
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2-ways handshakes might return exactly what the UA has
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requested, and the UA will need to do an extra clipping</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yves: multi mime
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answer?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: we do
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continuous segments or not?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: see the
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issue page <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I want to reopen the
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discussion on 2way 4way<br />
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... maybe at next f2f.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: agree to
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make it a major topic of our next telecon</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> not reopen, more like
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clarify.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> btw: <a href=
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"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Silvia, can you write an
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email with your comments?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> better to have everyone
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read it, and discuss it in 2 weeks time</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> will miss next week:
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product lunch<br />
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... (OR LAUNCH??)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> yeah, product launch
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:)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Yves, what is the url
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you posted above?</p>
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<p class='phone'>(offtopic: too bad, lunch seems more fun)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> it's mandatory reading
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for everyone.</p>
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<h3 id="item05">3. issues</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> do we need to update
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mimetype registrations?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> not necessary for first
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draft. I haven't done anything yet, but please keep it
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open.<br />
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... will come with proposal after talking to various
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people.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for Michael</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ok, should we keep it on
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agenda?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> don't care</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> on to issue 4. Track
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names.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I'm both pro and con,
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actually.<br />
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... con because its up to the containerr<br />
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... pro because it's handy from user pov</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: I'm also pro
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and con</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... I'm against it
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at this point in time</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... I'm afraid we
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standardize it incorrectly</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... we are going
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more in the metadata field</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: agree, we
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might need more expertise and postpone that later</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: I suggest we
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study it more, particularly the WAI</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: should we
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try to invite some of them in a telecon?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I'll put it on the
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agenda for the next cross-wg teleconf with them<br />
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... but after first working draft.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jack: yes, but put
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a paragraph explaining the rationale in the WD</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>nessy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<h3 id="item06">5. AOB</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> nothing on
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implementation. AOB?<br />
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... Nothing? Ok.<br />
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... Everyone needs to read http document.<br />
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... Also: everyone take care we copy all info to wd.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> asks Yves to give
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occasional updates on httpbis</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> info is publicly available
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in minutes.</p>
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<p class='phone'>raphael, are you doing the magic?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Ah, yves does.</p>
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