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<h1>Social Web XG Telecon</h1>
<h2>14 Oct 2009</h2>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>harry, caribou, Kingsley_Idehen, bblfish,
petef, rreck, mischat pchampin, DKA, mattl, hajons, Adam, cperey,
oshani, tinkster, MacTed</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>DKA</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>adam</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li><a href="#convene">Convening Meeting</a></li>
<li><a href="#tpac">Catching up on TPAC, Action Items</a></li>
<li><a href="#MattLee">Matt Lee presenting on GNU Social</a></li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<h2><a name="convene" id="convene">Convening Meeting</a></h2>
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 14 October
2009</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; cperey has joined
#swxg</p>
<p class='phone'>chair: DKA</p>
<p class='phone'>adam?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i might have to
leave to</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; zakim, who is
here?</p>
<p class='phone'>Zakim, pick a scribe</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; plus i suck at i
t</p>
<p class='phone'>scribe: adam</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>PROPOSED:</cite> to approve SWXG WG
Weekly -- 7th October 2009 as a true record</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: everybody see the
w3c website, the new one</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-swxg-mi">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-swxg-mi</a>
nutes.html</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; zakim
+1.617.848.aaii is me</p>
<p class='phone'>Going once, going twice...</p>
<p class='phone'>RESOLVED:SWXG WG Weekly -- 7th October 2009 i
s a true record</p>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: to meet
again Wed. Oct 21st.</strong></p>
<p class='phone'>Yeah!</p>
<h2><a name="tpac" id="tpac">Catching up on TPAC, Action Items</a></h2>
<p class='irc'>dka: update with
open web social day which is now the social
camp</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://barcamp.org/Soci">http://barcamp.org/Soci</a>
alWebCamp-Santa-Clara</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; zakim,
+1.617.848.aaii is me</p>
<p class='irc'>... going to do
something thats for sure</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: eventbrite
registration has been opened up</p>
<p class='phone'>maybe throw out the eventbrite URL so
people can register!</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: take advantage of
2nd of november hosting provided by henry (sun)</p>
<p class='irc'>... took logo from
other social web camp and re-used it and run this as a
bar camp</p>
<p class='irc'>... want to have
presentation and interactive sessions around di
fferent topics related to social web</p>
<p class='irc'>... review site
for text on what, whom, how etc</p>
<p class='irc'>... have reached out
to a number of people to help organize and do outreach</p>
<p class='irc'>... the quality of
this really hinges on the quality of the attendees
.... no judgment here .... need to bring in smart people
to make the day interactive</p>
<p class='irc'>.... primary role i
s not to be a w3c standard conversation but to have open
topic discussions</p>
<p class='irc'>.... hoping to get
people from social web community, large and small</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; i'm on the phone
as well :)</p>
<p class='irc'>mischat: can we put
something on the wiki to help people internally
that can't be there</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='phone'>We should have a section on wiki on
technologies anywhere.</p>
<p class='irc'>.... a list of soci
al networks that are using specific technologies
within their systems</p>
<p class='irc'>@mischat, like a
page to let the community put the data in there
themselves?</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> michat to put up wiki page
about social networks deploying these technologies.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>mischat: accepted
action item to create a wiki page</p><a name=
"action02" id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to put up wiki page
about social networks deploying these technologies.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffield to put up wiki page
about social networks deploying these technologies.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: i would li
ke to add more linkages from the barcamp page in to our
wiki so people understand background and
context</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to put up wiki
page about social networks deploying these technologi
es. [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-98
- Put up wiki page about social networks deploying
these technologies. [on Mischa Tuffield - due
2009-10-21].</p>
<p class='irc'>.... somebody could
talk people through one of the use cases on our wiki
page</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: can we get a qui
ck straw poll who is planning to be there?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='irc'>... for both the camp
and face to face</p>
<p class='irc'>+1</p>
<p class='phone'>I think fabien and henry story.</p>
<p class='irc'>i will be there
for both</p>
<p class='phone'>To go to Tuesday</p>
<p class='phone'>Do we have an agenda?</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: lets get an
agenda for the tuesday face to face</p>
<p class='phone'>Basically Dave Morin from Facebook and
Joseph Smarr from Plaxo (editor PortableContacts)</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: good news for
face-to-face, joe smarr and ??? from facebook have agreed to be
there</p>
<p class='irc'>.... wondering what
to focus the f2f on? maybe finish the use case doc and
going over the final report .. brainstorming on the
final report and getting feedback while facebook and
plax is there to get feedback</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: couldn't we focus
the discussion on the gaps in the open social web
standards</p>
<p class='irc'>... then it could
be somethign we could recommend in our report</p>
<p class='phone'>Two mappings I think Facebook
Connect/OpenSocial divide</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: maybe an a mappi
ng opportunity</p>
<p class='phone'>And then the PortableContacts/FOAF mapping
divide</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: maybe a
facebook connect and portable contacts and the mapping di
vide between them</p>
<p class='phone'>Want to recommend for future standardizati
on issue.</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://portablecontacts.net/">http://portablecontacts.net/</a></p>
<p class='phone'>DKA?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; tinkster: where
blah is?</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: would like to
be more focused on open day but will to spend a few cycles
on the f2f day</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make agenda for TPAC
Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-99
- Make agenda for TPAC Tuesday [on Harry Halpin - due
2009-10-21].</p>
<p class='phone'>David Recordon (Facebook/Open Web Foundati
on) plenary with Daniel Appelquist...</p>
<p class='phone'>Kevin Marks (Google) on Developer Day
Thursday.</p>
<p class='phone'>I can e-mail them, they both can't
attend.</p>
<p class='phone'>I can tell them to forward.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in
order to spread knowledge of these effortsong W3C members.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p><a name="action07"
id="action07"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa
to describe/implement a report of terms and conditi
ons, and how they change between now and the end of the XG.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; carry on, i'm sti
ll waking up.</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mischa
to write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; what about Use
Cases? what has happened to those?</p>
<p class='phone'>[CONTINUE] <strong>ACTION:</strong> ti
nkster to write up Evan's talk on Open Microbloggi
ng</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri
to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p><a name="action10"
id="action10"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; yes</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; there's interest</p>
<p class='phone'>any day they want in particular?</p>
<p class='phone'>Just add it on the wiki.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; but we haven't come
up with a date</p>
<p class='phone'>OK.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; Yep</p><a name=
"action11" id="action11"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Harry to i
nvite Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google to W3C Social Web
talk [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'>I'm not sure ideas on how OAuth
could/should/does interact with current standards?</p>
<p class='phone'>WebApps WG?</p>
<p class='phone'>Sounds perfect.</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: on how oAuth
could be used in the context of a widget</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; hajons has joined
#swxg</p><a name="action12" id="action12"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to ping hhalpin names for
OAuth talk from Webapps [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-100
- Ping hhalpin names for OAuth talk from Webapps [on Dani
el Appelquist - due 2009-10-21].</p>
<p class='irc'>google side wiki
: <a href=
"http://www.google.com/si">http://www.google.com/si</a>dewi
ki/intl/en/index.html</p><a name="action13" id=
"action13"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> mtiffi
el to invite BBC Persia people to talk about thei
r use of social media [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'>I'll definitely point Ben towards
that.</p>
<p class='irc'>mischat: oauth i
s usually dished out for access control so maybe point
towards that group</p><a name="action14" id="action14"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> petef to
look into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris
Messina [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> adam to
write up the boeing use case for enterprise social
networks [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p><a name="action16"
id="action16"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> rreck to
flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple i
denties and null provenance [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p><a name="action17"
id="action17"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> oshani
to reframe the geolocation/intent/portability
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]</p><a name="action18"
id="action18"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfi
sh to relabel data protection use case to be about
controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]</p><a name="action19"
id="action19"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfi
sh to merge Family and Group access usecases [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]</p><a name="action20"
id="action20"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cari
bou to flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying
user vs. purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]</p><a name="action21"
id="action21"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpi
n explain to henry and oshani doc editing process
for usecases [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'>Higgh-level categories Christi
ne?</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: do people have
any thoughts about what to be in the final report, would
be good to have some discussion before tpac. due in
march so should probably have an outline prior to tpac.
maybe take that up next week</p>
<p class='phone'>what should be in final report?</p>
<p class='phone'>Next steps for standardization, or conti
nue as XG or IG, or stop activity?</p>
<p class='phone'>Any structural changes to make W3C more fri
endly to the Social Web?</p>
<p class='phone'>Sometimes XGs continue for another year,
although it's rare.</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: point on acti
on, our default should not be to continue the XG ... not
that i don't think its valuable, just think its
more valuable if we separately go off and think about
what do we do with this .... this is how i thi
nk XGs are intended to work</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: just putting
some ideas out there and keep it in the background</p>
<h2><a name="MattLee" id="MattLee">Matt Lee Presenting on GNU Social</a></h2>
<p class='phone'><a href="http://li">http://li</a>
bre.fm/</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://matt.lee.name/">http://matt.lee.name/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><a href="http://dai">http://dai</a>sycha.i
n/</p>
<p class='phone'><a href="http://li">http://li</a>
sts.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-soci
alweb/2009Oct/0027.html</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: if roll your
own social network is great from a w3c stand point
need to have some example out there</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: founder of li
bre.fm and chosen to do daisychan.in</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: what sort of
codes and other standards are you building daisychai
n on and how do they interoperate with one anohter</p>
<p class='phone'>So what pieces of software are you planni
ng on using?</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: taking
people that are not programmers and building them up on
php knowledge .... looking at a forming a legal worki
ng cooperative to encourage people to develop</p>
<p class='irc'>... and then shari
ng any money that would come in</p>
<p class='irc'>.... daisychain
goal is to be build a social network, could take our
version or run it themselves ... can you run it on a
dreamhost account, on a $5 hosting account .. reason why
we're using php</p>
<p class='irc'>... everyday get to
explain why we chose php</p>
<p class='irc'>... with li
bre.fm don't support openid, want to support but last.fm
doesn't support them either so we would have to figure
out how to still be able to work with last.fm plugi
ns</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: what have you
already chosen, or most likely will choose to i
mplement</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: one obvious
is openid, people don't like to have to register
for an account, people have actually filed bugs with us
and said they won't use the software due to lack of openi
d</p>
<p class='irc'>... and FOAF support
... many of the users are also identica users</p>
<p class='irc'>... those people are
hardcore users and provided a lot of bugs and feedback</p>
<p class='irc'>... unaware of anythi
ng else we should be supporting</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: initi
ally thoughts where to sit down for 2 weeks and hammer out
facebook ... but maybe just doing something very basic
would be a good basis for a starting point</p>
<p class='irc'>mischat: if you
envision your type of vision, how will the need
for a server play in to that</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: i don't see
a centralized model coming about</p>
<p class='irc'>... we want to get
away from the idea of having any kind of centrali
zed server</p>
<p class='irc'>... maybe if we get
a bunch of different people running their own, maybe
could have people use URIs</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; yes, i want to
know who is talking about me</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; I've lost my
connection but SIOC would be also interesting to i
nvestigate to make content interoperable</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: do you want to
know who is talkign about you if you don't know who
they are</p>
<p class='irc'>mischat: yeah
probably</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: i think
what will happen is, like libre.fm, is there wi
ll be a service that we will operate and people will
just start using that</p>
<p class='phone'>Alex - Mattl may not be aware of SIOC</p>
<p class='phone'>perhaps send him a link or speak?</p>
<p class='irc'>mischat: we've been
building something kind of similar ... and we
index profiles if they're there and allow people to li
nk up the data</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; mattl: you may
also consider the use of SIOC - <a href=
"http://si">http://si</a>oc-project.org - to expose your
content(posts, etc.) in RDF and make them i
nteroperable</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; harry: got a
poor connection today, lots of disconnect :/</p>
<p class='irc'>... without havi
ng point-to-point ... we don't see how that might
work without a central index</p>
<p class='phone'>:)</p>
<p class='phone'>Alex - there are some Zakim/bridge
problems today...folks are working on this I thi
nk.</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: if you know
the email address you could import those</p>
<p class='phone'>on #social channel.</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: we are in
IRC in the social channel on freenode .. have weekly
hacking session in the boston area</p>
<p class='phone'>ack pchampin</p>
<p class='irc'>... if anyone has
the basicount of php knowledge to do the work, very low
threshold to getting involved .. ideas etc, just joi
n us in IRC or hit up on the web site</p>
<p class='phone'>daisycha.in</p>
<p class='irc'>pchampin: have you
looked at FOAF +SSL as an authentication mechanism</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: not aware of
that but would be happy to look in to that</p>
<p class='irc'>pchampin: its an
identification protocol with a user experi
ence very similar to openid but no need for a 3rd
party</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfi">http://blogs.sun.com/bblfi</a>
sh/entry/foaf_ssl_creating_a_global</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: thats i
nteresting, that seems to be more inline with our
philosophy</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; pchampin:
foaf+ssl already works in php</p>
<p class='phone'><a href="http://ri">http://ri</a>
seuplabs.org/crabgrass/</p>
<p class='phone'>code-base that's been brough...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; e.g. with
arc2 - <a href=
"http://apassant.net/blog/2009/08/26/foaf-ssl-303-redi">http://apassant.net/blog/2009/08/26/foaf-ssl-303-redi</a>
rect-and-rdfa</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: trying to
make a list of codebases that are interesting in
open standards</p>
<p class='phone'>ok, so it's a coding language disti
nction</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: grabgrass is
written on ruby on rails so it breaks one of our pri
nciples of being easily available</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; ok pchampin
- there is also a drupal module for it</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://elgg.org/">http://elgg.org/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: thinking
is working with wordpress</p>
<p class='phone'>IP in this area...</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: are there any
components of the social web architecture that are mi
ssing? things covered by proprietary soluti
ons</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: need to make
the whole experience of creating your own social
network much easier</p>
<p class='irc'>... maybe a package to
download and install</p>
<p class='irc'>... this is hi
s own project not associated with the FSF</p>
<p class='irc'>... libre.fm is
the brand name i apply to my website ... the software i
s called Gnu.fm and Gnu.social</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.gnu.org/phi">http://www.gnu.org/phi</a>
losophy/w3c-patent.html</p>
<p class='phone'>W3C provide basics to get a social
network up and running.</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: to me it
would be great if you could go to the social xg page and
get some working code thats easy to run etc</p>
<p class='irc'>dka: trying to get
the idea that the social web is a platform that appli
cations can be on top of</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: i don't want
to see a social web where i have to install propri
etary software like flash</p>
<p class='irc'>... we use a li
cense ???? to help that</p>
<p class='irc'>.... to prevent dai
sychain and librefm from becoming these silos</p>
<p class='phone'>AGPL license</p>
<p class='phone'>copyright, trademarks, patents.</p>
<p class='phone'>Always, eolas!</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: have appli
cation for the android phone</p>
<p class='irc'>... a lot of possi
bility and want to make sure we keep focused on the
free software direction</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; just downloaded li
bre droid :)</p>
<p class='phone'>Ted is a Cambridge...</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: w3c is talki
ng about deploying their own features to help out wi
th the w3c process</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1219215/Ti">http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1219215/Ti</a>
m-Berners-Lee-Is-Sorry-About-the-Slashes</p>
<p class='phone'><a href="http://bli">http://bli</a>p.tv/fi
le/2707910</p>
<p class='irc'>mattl: i don't thi
nk the social web should be different then the web, the
web is naturally social</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: shall we end
the call</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; thanks</p>
<p class='phone'>Any one want to write this up?</p>
<p class='irc'>harry: who wants to
write this up?</p>
<p class='phone'>going once...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; okay, i'm out
:)</p>
<p class='phone'>going twice...</p>
<p class='irc'>i could sure
try</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; i</p><a name=
"action22" id="action22"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write up Matt Lee's talk
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-101
- Write up Matt Lee's talk [on Adam Boyet - due
2009-10-21].</p>
<p class='irc'>thanks mischat, i'd
appreciate that</p>
<p class='phone'>Meeting adjourned</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; cool</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mattl</cite>&gt; please join #social
on irc.freenode.net :) or see <a href=
"http://daisycha.in">http://daisycha.in</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; thanks - very cool to
hear about daisycha.in</p>
<p class='phone'>mattl - my coding time frees up in Dec, will
join in then</p>
<p class='phone'>trackbot, end meeting</p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write up
Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action22</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to ping
hhalpin names for OAuth talk from Webapps [recorded in
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12">
http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to
make agenda for TPAC Tuesday [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffied to
put up wiki page about social networks deploying
these technologies. [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to wri
te up the boeing use case for enterprise social
networks [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
merge Family and Group access usecases [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
relabel data protection use case to be about controlled access
and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> caribou to
flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying user vs.
purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order
to spread knowledge of these effortsong W3C members. [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin
explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for
usecases [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action21</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
describe/implement a report of terms and conditions,
and how they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to
write up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffi
el to invite BBC Persia people to talk about their
use of social media [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to
reframe the geolocation/intent/portability [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look
into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messi
na [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> rreck to
flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple i
denties and null provenance [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to invite Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google to W3C Social Web talk
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
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