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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00
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UTC</h1>
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<h2>23 Nov 2006</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-irc">IRC
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log</a></p>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>SusanneBoll, Raphael, JeffPan, Michael, ISTI, George,
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Tobias, Ioannis(IRC), Jacco(IRC), alessio(IRC)</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Giovanni, Pasquale, Chris, Paola, Thierry, Stamatia</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Jeff</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. LINKS Pages</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. XG UPDATES</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">3.1 Music Use Case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">3.2 News Use case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">3.3 Bio-medical use case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item07">3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability
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Use case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item08">3.5 Photo Use case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item09">3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use
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case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item10">3.7 Algorithm representation Use
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case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item11">3.8 Tagging Use case</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item12">3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web
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Applications</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item13">4. Interoperability
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Deliverable</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item14">Future Meetings</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: Raphael,
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Jacco</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>TobiasBuerger</cite>> hi
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raphael!</p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>alessio</cite>> hallo raphael,
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hallo all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>>
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unfortunately, it is not possible</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> we have a
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restriction to call abroad</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> we have
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to do it via secreteriat that is closed now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>alessio</cite>> I know Ioannis
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problem... that's because I always join via IRC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> mute
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SusanneBoll</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>>
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voipbuster is for free ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> mute Susanne
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Boll</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> YES, Ioannis</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> type : "Zakim, mute
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me"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Jacco</cite>> soory guys, I've to
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send regrets. Thought I would be ok after a few asparins but
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I'm not... See you next time</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> perhaps</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> hear you in a
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minute ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> thanks
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for the info, first i hear it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>anadiotis</cite>> actually, i think
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voipbuster only gives you an initial number of free minutes,
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after that you have to pay</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>isti</cite>> hi all from Patrizia,
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Suzanne and Massimo</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> could you all join
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please ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> please ALL, join
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again on the phone</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> i am here</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne you can
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join again on the phone</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> PROPOSED to accept
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the minutes of the 16 November 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACCEPTED: skip the
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telecon of 7 December 2006, reason: Face 2 Face the</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> 8-9 of December</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> POLL: next telecon
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of 21 December 20006 ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> vote for
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21/12</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> yes, please</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> SKIP the telecon of
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21/12: ACCEPTED</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> POLL: next telecon
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of 4 January 2007 ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Next Telecon: 11/01
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and 18/01</p>
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<h3 id="item02">2. LINKS Pages</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael to maintain
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the Vocabularies page ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Oscar has
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contributed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> his account is in
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the pipeline</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael ... skip
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the section 4 ... describe the overlap in the description of
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the vocabularies</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... make this
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document an XG TR ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> keep it as a living
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document for sure.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> all my comments
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have been addressed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Giovanni and
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Christian to maintain the Tools page ... Giovanni not here</p>
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<h3 id="item03">3. XG UPDATES</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Melli and Paul are
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not here</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael addresses the comments on
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"Image Annotation on the SW" PENDING [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
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id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to review all use cases
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PENDING [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><a name="action03"
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id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to review all use cases PENDING
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item04">3.1 Music Use Case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> nobody is here</p>
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<h3 id="item05">3.2 News Use case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> We are working on
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getting the data</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> PB: show problems
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of using NewsML1 and 2, DowJones ML or even the format from a
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braodcaster</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> raphael
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<a href="http://www.profium.com/">http://www.profium.com/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Except to have a
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nice description for discussion during the F2F</p>
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<h3 id="item06">3.3 Bio-medical use case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Melli is not
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here</p>
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<h3 id="item07">3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use
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case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael does not
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really know the status</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to contact Stamatia about this
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use case [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item08">3.5 Photo Use case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne: plan to
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use slides to present the use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: F2F will
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be working session, we could spend one hour per use case</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne: overlap
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with the vocabulary page, many vocabularies possible</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... discuss the
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applications that will handle the metadata</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jeff: towards a
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common framework for MM interoperability problems ...</p>
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<h3 id="item09">3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Ioannis, would you
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like to comment ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> there is
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an update since yesterday</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> apologies
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for my late response</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> due to
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limited availability</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> would you like to
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explain this update ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> examples
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are more detaled</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> there is
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a Figure to depict the metadata over the web page</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> My main coments
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with the update is why choosing an example about athletics in
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Section 2 and then an art example in the solution (section
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3)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> When do you plan to
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discuss the solution ?</p>
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<h3 id="item10">3.7 Algorithm representation Use case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> for both
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examples are already discussed the solutions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> thanks Ioannis,
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what do you expect now for going forward ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Two review for the
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use cases: Tobias and Raphael</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> more
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people involved from the SW community to give a more in-depth
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flavor of the SW requirements</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> we should
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discuss it at F2F meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ok Ioannis !</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Patrizia: different
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kind of interoperability problems</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... low level:
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input / output of the algorithms</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... higher level:
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semantic concepts</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> You should take a
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look at the MPEG-7 ontology of K-Space .... (algorithm design
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pattern)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> is it
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publicly available ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> iannis: not
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yet</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> when do
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you estimate that we may have at least a draft ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Most likely in
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December ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> If we can
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get it to F2F then perfect timing</p><a name="action05" id=
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"action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Patrizia to tell if someone from ISTI
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will make the F2F [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item11">3.8 Tagging Use case</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Small update on the
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description of the solution</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> George will not
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make the F2F</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... but it is
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possible to make a demo during the Face 2 Face</p>
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<h3 id="item12">3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web
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Applications</h3><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff and Vassilis to review
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<h3 id="item13">4. Interoperability Deliverable</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Vassilis is not
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here</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> It will be an
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important point during the next F2F meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Susanne: what kind
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of text should be provided ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Jeff: in section 9
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(possible solutions) and 6.2</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... summary of the
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problems encountered in the use cases</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> we have a AP
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here already ... (Vassilis) - better wait?</p><a name=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to clarify the content of
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section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised
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contributions, on the mailling list: PENDING [recorded in
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> sorry, i quit the
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phone, no crdit on my phone card :-(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I'm finishing the
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telecon on IRC only</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Michael, you scribe
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the end ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> i'll try it
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..</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Chairs to contact Vassilis, ALL UC
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authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item14">Future Meetings</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>anadiotis</cite>> bye all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>SusanneBoll</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribe: raphael,
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michael</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>> bye, see
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you at F2F in Athens</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>JeffP</cite>> see you :-)</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Chairs to contact
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Vassilis, ALL UC authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to
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contact Stamatia about this use case [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Patrizia to tell
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if someone from ISTI will make the F2F [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff and
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Vassilis to review [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to
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review all use cases [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael
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addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the SW" [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
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clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case
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authors precised contributions, on the mailling list [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
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review all use cases [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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[End of minutes]<br />
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<address>
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Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm">
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scribe.perl</a> version 1.127 (<a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/">CVS log</a>)<br />
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$Date: 2006/11/23 18:03:12 $
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<h2>Scribe.perl diagnostic output</h2>[Delete this section
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.127 of Date: 2005/08/16 15:12:03
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Check for newer version at <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Found Scribe: Raphael, Jacco
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Found Scribe: raphael, michael
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WARNING: 0 scribe lines found (out of 230 total lines.)
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Are you sure you specified a correct ScribeNick?
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Scribes: Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael
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Present: SusanneBoll Raphael JeffPan Michael ISTI George Tobias Ioannis(IRC) Jacco(IRC) alessio(IRC)
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Regrets: Giovanni Pasquale Chris Paola Thierry Stamatia
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Agenda: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html</a>
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Got date from IRC log name: 23 Nov 2006
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items: chairs jeff michael patrizia raphael vassilis
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