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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>30 Sep 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>danbri, DKA, jsalvachua, rreck, tpa,mischat,hajons
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FabGandon, Carine, petef, peter st. audre, hhalpin, MacTed,
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bblfish, melvster, rreck</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>hhalpin</dd>
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<dd>mischat</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-09-30T13:00-15:00Z</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">General Organization</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Invited Guest Invitations</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">user stories</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">Peter St. Andre of XMPP</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 30 September
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> Hi guys, I'm sorry I'm
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going to have to miss this one, there seems to be no signal at
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all where I'm at today.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> no problem tpa</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> did you check in
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with henry story yet?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> hhalpin: we're supposed
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to do it sometime this week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> hhalpin: we should also
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talk at some point, off-weekly call and confer about the use
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cases and the resulting document we're aiming for?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> I guess we'll figure
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that out at a more convenient time, I'll be emailing you.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> hhalpin: i think
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you got the wrong phone handle</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> ill redail in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> i think i was
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??P13</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> i hung up and it
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said -hhalpin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>hello all</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-09-30T13:00-15:00Z</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> zakim agenda+
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General Organization</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> zakim agenda+
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Invited Guest - Peter St. Andre on XMPP</p>
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<p class='phone'>i can scribe</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: mischat</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ROPOSED: to approve
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SWXG WG Weekly -- 23rd September 2009 as a true record plus
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adding rreck</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 23rd September 2009 as a true record
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plus adding rreck</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 23rd September 2009 as a true record
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plus adding rreck</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to meet
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again Wed. October 7th</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 meet again</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Next Wed is Evan
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from OpenMicroblogging.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Also requested we
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move things 2 hours back if possible.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>evan request for 2 hours back</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (back meaning
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forward :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> later</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> into the future</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Moving meeting to
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13:00UTC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> back to the future
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:)</p>
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<p class='phone'>moving meeting to 13:00 UTC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Already 13:00 UTC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i support moving
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it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> It's already 13:00
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UTC.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> move to 15:00 UTC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Moving meeting to
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15:00UTC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> everyone is confused
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around timezones anyhow, this time of year</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> If we don't get any
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objetions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 move meeting time
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to 15:00UTC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> then move next
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meeting to 15:00UTC.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I'm happy with
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15:00 UTC for next week (and indeed, generally).</p>
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<p class='phone'>harry to ask the list this week, if no
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objections we move to 15:00 UTC</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> no</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: Unless
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objections from list, telecons moved to 15:00 UTC from now
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on.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> are we expecting
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stpeter now?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> problem</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ok</p>
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<h3 id="item02">General Organization</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> bblfish, is that
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"no. problem." or "no problem."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Technical
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Plenary?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Whose going to
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technical plenary?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> no problem. or
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+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> going</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I should be
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going</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i can't make it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> not me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> not me</p>
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<p class='phone'>not me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> not me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> not me ;(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AndreaP</cite>> not me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> don't know yet</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (i did talk to Kevin
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Marks about possibility of him talking; passed that on to
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harry/ian)</p>
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<p class='phone'>henry, fabien are going</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> you should register
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asap, the calendar is correct now.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I know you DKA</p>
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<p class='phone'>if people want to go they should register
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asap</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> and then's this
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open social web day.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Is anyone going to
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Internet Identity Workshop?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> not going to
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IIW</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> probably</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Which is right
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afterwards...</p>
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<p class='phone'>which is right after the technical plenary</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> nope</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ok just checking
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in...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> not me</p>
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<p class='phone'>registration fees are going up for the IIW</p>
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<p class='phone'>so if you want to go then you should get on it
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asap</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
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summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
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knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
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id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
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describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
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they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item03">Invited Guest Invitations</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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Opera/Widgets/OpenSocial?</p>
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<p class='phone'>i will get mine done soon, I have been
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recovering from submitting thesis this last week</p>
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<p class='phone'>danbri is a technically a bad person :)</p>
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<p class='phone'>has anyone looked at the activity streams work
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?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/">http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> I have had a brief
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look</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> me too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Happy to look deeper
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and perhaps write a summary for the wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'>hasn't danbri looked at it in the notube work
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?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> opensocial and
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activity streams are looking to align</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I think it's
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definitely worth summarziing for the wiki and yes it is
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aligning to opensocial.</p>
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<p class='phone'>harry thinks it would be good for some to host
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a session on the activity streams work</p><a name="action03"
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to invite Ben Laurie from
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OAuth/Google Wave security to W3C Social Web talk [recorded in
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-92
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- Invite Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google Wave security to W3C
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Social Web talk [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-10-07].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Do we have Chris
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Messina on the invite list already?</p>
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<p class='phone'>who spoke ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> petef</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> +1 for having it in
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the final report at least, and seems good to invite them to
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present</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look into activitystreams
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invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - petef</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1 to having on the final report</p><a name=
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"action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> pferne to look into activitystreams
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invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-93
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- Look into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina [on
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Peter Ferne - due 2009-10-07].</p><a name="action06" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
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book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'>i will get the mail out to the BBC persian
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people</p>
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<p class='phone'>please do :)</p><a name="action07" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to invite BBC Persia people to
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talk about their use of social media [recorded in <a href=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - mischat</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffield to invite BBC Persia people
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - mtuffield</p>
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<p class='phone'>mtiffiel</p>
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<p class='phone'>spelt wrong</p>
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<p class='phone'>:)</p>
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<p class='phone'>swh's fault</p><a name="action09" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to invite BBC Persia people
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-94
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<h3 id="item04">user stories</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Quick note
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Christine on Open Social Web day?</p>
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<p class='phone'>re user stories, oshani is away today</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oof <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a>
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takes a while to load</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> cool!</p>
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<p class='phone'>Christine has talked to Dan, re : OPen Social
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Web day. Dan to add to the wiki, and will be setting up an
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eventbrite for the event</p>
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<p class='phone'>a conference call is scheduled for this coming
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friday</p>
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<p class='phone'>there is a need for some more marketing to
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happen</p>
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<p class='phone'>henry, just an email confirmation that the
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auditorium has been booked along with</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> good news!</p>
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<p class='phone'>projectors, wifi, and stuff</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>harry had a question about the user stories,
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perhaps they are too complicated</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> it would nice to
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get user story doc done between TPAC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> sorry before
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TPAC!</p>
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<p class='phone'>christine has taken a high level ID, so that
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the use cases can be clustered</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> is this work
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online?</p>
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<p class='phone'>high level concepts to classify the user
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stories</p>
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<p class='phone'>for organisational purposes</p>
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<p class='phone'>christine to check if she can get the document
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she was been working on online</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> please do</p>
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<p class='phone'>so christine will aim to share the structure
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she has built with the groups</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Goal, Summary,
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Actors, Preconditions, Trigger, Basic Course of Events,
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Alternative Paths, postconditons, business rules and then
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metadata about author/date.</p>
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<p class='phone'>at the moment we have goals, actions,
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triggers, ...</p>
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<p class='phone'>thanks harry</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> remove some
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ofit.</p>
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<p class='phone'>harry would like to remove of it</p>
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<p class='phone'>harry thinks it is a bit too complicated at
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the moment</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 summary</p>
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<p class='phone'>harry would like to get some summaries and
|
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pre-conditions up</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> -1 business rules</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Just as interest,
|
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here is a very developed set of user stories for the future of
|
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identity <a href=
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"http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/">http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/</a>
|
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with real stories. Clearly we don't need to go that far. But it
|
|
is an interesting example</p>
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<p class='phone'>simplify the use stories to 3 parts</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> +1 for
|
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simplification</p>
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<p class='phone'>summary, pre-conditions, post-conditions ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i think actors is
|
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self evident possibly</p>
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<p class='phone'>can you repeat that hhalpin ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> pre-condition/basic
|
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course of events/goal accomplished (maybe alternative
|
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paths)?</p>
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<p class='phone'>thanks</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> So just have 3
|
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categories for every use-case.</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> seems ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>i am happy to go through and summarise if need
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be</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ok. I am in the
|
|
same offices as tim right now</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> i didn't get any of
|
|
that</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> breaking up</p>
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|
|
<p class='phone'>you were breaking up</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> YEs, the link is
|
|
here <a href=
|
|
"http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/">http://www.fidis.net/resources/identity-revolution/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> looks like a
|
|
fashion magazine</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item05">Peter St. Andre of XMPP</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> saw this at the social
|
|
web camp.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> but it's called
|
|
"Identity Revolution - Multi Disclipinary Perspectives"</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> very developed user
|
|
stories on identity with very in depth characters</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp, and how it can be integrated from the
|
|
social web</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Peter go for
|
|
it!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and how it will fit in with the w3c and the
|
|
wider community</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>people which are interested in microblogging,
|
|
buddy cloud</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> the relationship
|
|
with OMB would be interesting.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>trying to figure out what problems the SWXG
|
|
are trying to solve</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and how the XMPP community can help</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the SWXG has noticed that the W3C has ignored
|
|
the social web tech</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and the group wants to write an introductory
|
|
report on the landscape of technologies in the social web</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>for example the widgets work, and the open
|
|
social work, and how this is pushing towards the notion of a
|
|
decentralised social network</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>so the group would like to figure how the W3C
|
|
can help influence future development on the social Web</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and the group is interested in how the
|
|
technologies can be built upon, technologies like openid,
|
|
oauth, xmpp</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (sorry, should have
|
|
went through them one at a time!)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp grew out of instance messaging</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>instant</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the initial idea was to build ontop of XML,
|
|
taking the ideas of Jabber and building on XML to build a
|
|
stream</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 1. Final Report on
|
|
over-arching technologies 2. Adoption of social web
|
|
technologies by W3C internally 3. How the W3C should evolve to
|
|
interact with the wider social web commuity</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the idea was to have a peer-2-peer based
|
|
method of shifting xml between points on the web</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so it started out
|
|
very general purpose</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> that's
|
|
interesting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp was designed be a generalised transport
|
|
mechanism</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> see <a href=
|
|
"http://metajack.im/2008/11/21/chesspark_design_details_part_1_why_xmpp/">
|
|
http://metajack.im/2008/11/21/chesspark_design_details_part_1_why_xmpp/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>rpc technology, some gaming, file sharing,
|
|
file sharing, google wave</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>are all built on top of xmpp</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> and <a href=
|
|
"http://metajack.im/2009/03/12/awesome-demo-of-real-time-xmpp-powered-app/">
|
|
http://metajack.im/2009/03/12/awesome-demo-of-real-time-xmpp-powered-app/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re google talk see
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://code.google.com/apis/talk/jep_extensions/extensions.html">
|
|
http://code.google.com/apis/talk/jep_extensions/extensions.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>google talk using xmpp for their signalling
|
|
channel to set up voice and video calls</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (google talk basic
|
|
text messages are themselves xmpp)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there is a standards body</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re social, ... see
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social">http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>pidgin is implementing an open-source xmpp</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> how oauth and
|
|
openid fit in with XMPP is quite interesting.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oauth - <a href=
|
|
"http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0235.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0235.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>plans are afoot to use oauth and xmpp</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> fireeagle and xmpp
|
|
see <a href=
|
|
"http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/developer/documentation/xmpp_faq">http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/developer/documentation/xmpp_faq</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>this is used in fireeagle</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (also not mentioned
|
|
but hey... rdf query over xmpp - <a href=
|
|
"http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html">http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html</a>
|
|
)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I thought it
|
|
switched from polling to pushing...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>polling is a problem on services, and xmpp
|
|
fixes this by pushing</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>this technology is becoming popular for real
|
|
time search</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>this can save service providers on hardware
|
|
wear and tear</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>apple is doing some experiments with push for
|
|
their iphone tech</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Is pubsub</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (I think)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there is work in the xmpp community on the
|
|
transport tech side, but there isn't much movement in the
|
|
development of social software</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> hhalpin: that is
|
|
correct</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Good overview</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> go for danbri!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>perhaps the w3c would be a place where the
|
|
xmpp could integrate with social web people</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> q re MUC (multi user
|
|
chat)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>danbri question : lots of people are stuck in
|
|
the IRC world, and IM chats are advancing faster than multi
|
|
user chat</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>so there is xmpp work in an online chat room
|
|
chess game? and this builds upon a multi user chat room</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>MUC could be used for real-time modeling of a
|
|
XML sequence, could be used to collaboratively write
|
|
documents</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp has some strong points ;</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>XML, a good thing, we fixed some security
|
|
issues which IRC had</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> one question would
|
|
be if XMPP should at some point replace IRC as a communication
|
|
point for W3C.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> hmmm... create a
|
|
MUC, invite validator@xmpp.w3.org and start working on XHTML
|
|
snippets...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> yes, this might be
|
|
an effective way of working although the W3C has a lot of
|
|
infrastructure invested in IRC.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp has a cert based authentication</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and doesn't reveal your IP address as in
|
|
IRC</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there is ongoing work to distribute rooms over
|
|
a network so that if a peer goes down</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp community haven't tried to get rid off
|
|
IRC, or other tech</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>collaborative point of view, you can send
|
|
structure data, you could have forms pop up for voting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>dod ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> department of
|
|
defence mischat</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp is the only approved chat mechanism for
|
|
the dod</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> part of the usa
|
|
government</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>IRC had too many security issues, and the dod
|
|
are moving to use XMPP group chat</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> native prescence
|
|
+1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and we have a link to the chess game ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.chesspark.com/">http://www.chesspark.com/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>XMPP has support for native presence
|
|
information, and for network availability</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +q</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> audience
|
|
segregation for presence?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>presence information is not on IRC</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> pidgin handles
|
|
both irc and xmpp -- im using it now ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Well, I'm
|
|
currently on Pidgin which does both IRC and XMPP chats.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>so when the distributed room problem gets
|
|
solved in xmpp then it may be a viable replacement for IRC</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>i too use pidgin</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there is lot of ongoing work on the xmpp front
|
|
to build towards the distributed muc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>lots of open source implementations</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there are projects which are working on
|
|
clustering and high availability for high volumes of users</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> prosody.im</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the prosody project is having a go at the
|
|
distributedmuc</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hajons?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>hajons, now that xmpp is standardised, do you
|
|
think that big companies like google will not implement the
|
|
standard?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hajons asked about
|
|
standards now that XMPP is being used in Google Wave etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp which used to be called jabber, came
|
|
about 10 years ago, distributed comms model, and the exchange
|
|
of XML turned it into XMPP</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>rfc came about in 2004</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>since the work was put into the rfc, people
|
|
can now write their own implementations</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> who would have ever
|
|
thought standards could promote interoperability?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>google talk extended the spec for the video
|
|
signalling</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>jingle work was very similar to google
|
|
talk</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and the jingle tech is now in the xmpp specs,
|
|
and google are now looking to harmonise the open-source
|
|
implementations of jingle with their google talk</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>still early days in google wave. google wave
|
|
are trying to develop the technology in the open, which was
|
|
different to the google talk. google talk was implemented and
|
|
then it was released in the wild</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Do people mind
|
|
extending the call 15-20 minutes to deal with questions?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 extend, but i may
|
|
have to drop</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp is a good community of people, and they
|
|
are standardisation friendly</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1 extend</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +q</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>harry question : are there plans for the xmpp
|
|
auth to be integrated with openid</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>and second question, will xmpp integrate with
|
|
the TLS?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ah, that clears
|
|
things up a bit from the outside.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (interesting, i was
|
|
wondering whether foaf:jabberID needed updating)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>xmpp has always used ssl for encryption</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> starTLS to upgrade
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a port to encryption - but that's per-hop not end-to-end (i.e.
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OTR?)</p>
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<p class='phone'>since 2004, there has been a start_tls
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command, which is a per hop encrypted</p>
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<p class='phone'>encryption</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> very cool: start
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with TLS and upgrade to encrypted when you want encryption.
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Should use this for foaf+ssl :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'>it is possible that there is clear-text on the
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server</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> bblfish,
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HTTP/HTTPS doesn't allow upgrades to encrypted connections on
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the same port.</p>
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<p class='phone'>as the moment there is no end-to-end
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encryption</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> what's the issues
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with OTR?</p>
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<p class='phone'>they have looked at pptp</p>
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<p class='phone'>and have looked smime</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so just go
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end-to-end TLS</p>
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<p class='phone'>but people dont have certs, so they have
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looked a tls, and how it can be reworked to do end-end
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encryption</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OTR is a bit of a
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hack with weird signalling...can only encrypt plain text
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message.</p>
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<p class='phone'>in OTR you can only encrypt the plain text
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messages</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Doesn't encrypt the
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rest of the XML</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> tinkster: I thought
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that is what peter said</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ah, that makes a
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lot of sense</p>
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<p class='phone'>for example you can only encrypt the message
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body, e.g. "Hello World"</p>
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<p class='phone'>not the whole XML message</p>
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<p class='phone'>OTR does not give end-to-end security</p>
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<p class='phone'>there are issues with certs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> encrypted group
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chat end-to-end?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> very hard
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problem.</p>
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<p class='phone'>for doing end-to-end group is a hard
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problem</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> the default w3c
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chat is not encrypted</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so it's still in
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the scope but in the future</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> room itself with
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certifcate?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
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"http://silcnet.org/">http://silcnet.org/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> GPG allows
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messages to be encrypted to multiple users.</p>
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<p class='phone'>first to work on end-to-end encryption, and
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then there will be work on the group chat encryption</p>
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<p class='phone'>question petef. Google Waves server - server
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federation is xmpp, will anymore of it be based on xmpp</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>>
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multiuser_encypted_message = concat( encrypt(plaintext_message,
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random_key), encrypt(random_key, recip1_key),
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encrypt(random_key, recip2_key), encrypt(random_key,
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recip3_key), ...)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> "special google
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magic" :-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> protobuf</p>
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<p class='phone'>discussion to have xmpp version of the client
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- server xmpp is not high on google's todo list</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> <a href=
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"http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/">http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>the wave server is no based on xmpp</p>
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<p class='phone'>not for client-server</p>
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<p class='phone'>but they use it for server - server comms</p>
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<p class='phone'>xmpp does federation well very, xmpp does it
|
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server-server encrypted comms well</p>
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<p class='phone'>quite a few xmpp mobile clients</p>
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<p class='phone'>nokia are doing work on xmpp (hajons are there
|
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any links?)</p>
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<p class='phone'>there are questions to how effecient xmpp is,
|
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due to long lived tcp connection</p>
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<p class='phone'>90% of traffic in an IM environment</p>
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<p class='phone'>is presense</p>
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<p class='phone'>presence</p>
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<p class='phone'>not chat</p>
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<p class='phone'>there are ways to manage presence information
|
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in xmpp, so that you dont have to receive presence data
|
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continuously</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-chat">http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-chat</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>there is work underway todo diff's on the
|
|
information sent across to to clients</p>
|
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<p class='phone'>ovi.com</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='phone'><a href="http://ovi.com">http://ovi.com</a>
|
|
(nokia system for mobile stuff)</p>
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<p class='phone'>thank hajons</p>
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<p class='phone'>thans</p>
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<p class='phone'>buddlyclowd etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> gtg, thanks
|
|
peter.</p>
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<p class='phone'>google talk for andriod apparently doesn't use
|
|
xmpp</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://buddycloud.com">http://buddycloud.com</a></p>
|
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<p class='phone'>so there was a google talk service which was a
|
|
developer back channel on andriod, which is built ontop of
|
|
google talk, which is xmpp.</p>
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|
|
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<p class='phone'>remote scripting opens up security holes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> basically, Google
|
|
Android doesn't actually do XMPP despite the fact that's its
|
|
heavily requested</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>henry is asking about client side
|
|
authenication based on certs (foaf+ssl)</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'>xmpp is uses SASL external (dont know what the
|
|
tech is), which enables xmpp to use client based certs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> x509 certificates
|
|
is the key issue as most people don't have them - although
|
|
everyone does have a social networking page :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>this is used by the army, because they all
|
|
have certs, allowing for X.509 certs</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'>thanks tinkster :)</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> sounds like a
|
|
pretty good idea!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the aim is to have your client create a cert,
|
|
which it could be used to do end-to-end encryption</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> (rather than
|
|
having pidgin storing all our passwords cleartext...)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> pidgin is very naughty
|
|
like that</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='phone'>in foaf+ssl, your cert is assigned to a URI,
|
|
which is resolvable</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>foaf+ssl allows for a decentralised social
|
|
network</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>with danbri's jqbus now</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>maybe</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><a href=
|
|
"http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html">http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/jqbus/intro.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0154.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0154.html</a>
|
|
has vcard, foaf etc stuff</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>harry question : what could do the W3C do in
|
|
this community to help take the xmpp work forward ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> the answer can be
|
|
done over e-mail :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I would assume
|
|
membership is a huge barrier</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> have to go now;
|
|
thanks a lot to Peter</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>stpeter</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0071.html">http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0071.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> coordination is
|
|
better at group level</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>peter said that there is potential for
|
|
collaboration between xmpp and the SWXG</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>sorry</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter</a>
|
|
("The chairs will strive to make sure that W3C membership is
|
|
not a problem for independent, student and low-wage members,
|
|
while noting that employees of larger companies are typically
|
|
expected by W3C to encourage their employer to join W3C.")</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>oauth to become a standard soon</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> via IETF and
|
|
cultural question</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
ask about vcard and to</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> probably the w3c's
|
|
best role is to verify things that come out of running code and
|
|
communities.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> mischa?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>sorry, i keep being called by people at
|
|
work</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> basically, people
|
|
in social web realm have a big cultural difference</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> w3c needs to get
|
|
closer to running code</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> danbri: protocols
|
|
with security are the way to go</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> danbri: for
|
|
standards body</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> danbri: but schemas
|
|
should be informal</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> can we build
|
|
hackfests into our program</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i mean, if you're
|
|
doing a protocol, it needs more review and formality than
|
|
making a descriptive schema</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> +1 re hackfests</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>schemas may best be built informally, like at
|
|
a hack fest, where at protocols tend to need more effort, and
|
|
as a result might need a working group</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> how can we get this
|
|
energy channelled</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> back to running
|
|
code</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks alot!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>pete thinks this is exciting, and he will get
|
|
people from his group to try and get involved with the SWXG</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thanks stpeter!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> i will do it</p><a name=
|
|
"action10" id="action10"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to write up Peter's talk on
|
|
XMPP [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
|
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|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-95
|
|
- Write up Peter's talk on XMPP [on Mischa Tuffield - due
|
|
2009-10-07].</p>
|
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<p class='phone'>bye all</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Meeting
|
|
adjourned</p>
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re future meetings,
|
|
i circulated <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/WidgetsDiscussion">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/WidgetsDiscussion</a>
|
|
and got positive feedback from David Recordon and Joseph
|
|
Smarr</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> bye</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks!</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> rrsrrsagent, create
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minutes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> trackbot, end
|
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meeting</p>
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</div>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to invite
|
|
Ben Laurie from OAuth/Google Wave security to W3C Social Web talk
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
|
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischa to write
|
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up Peter's talk on XMPP [recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
|
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to invite
|
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BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtiffiel to
|
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invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
|
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[recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mtuffield to
|
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invite BBC Persia people to talk about their use of social media
|
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[recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> petef to look
|
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into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> pferne to look
|
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into activitystreams invite, maybe Chris Messina [recorded in
|
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<a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<br />
|
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
|
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book global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
|
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summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
|
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knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
|
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<a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
|
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describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
|
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change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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