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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 11-01-2007, 16:00
UTC</h1>
<h2>11 Jan 2007</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0014.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Jeff_Pan, Michael_Hausenblas, +49.861.209.aaaa,
+329331aabb, TobiasBuerger, Thomas_Franz, vassilis</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>JeffP</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>mhausenblas</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">Interoperability Deliverable</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">AOB</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; It is because we
change the time from Jan 4 to Jan 11</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; I hope it should be
sorted soon</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik_chris_gaetan</cite>&gt; we're
trying to call via uk number, but the code 66736# is not
valid?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; Hi Erik, we changed
the date</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; Yes, please Michael
:-)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; I am talking to the
operator, who is checking at the moment</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; ... still waiting</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; I hope the operator
can let us in manually, i.e, by typing "*0" rather than
providing the passcode</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik_chris_gaetan</cite>&gt; so we can
try phoning in again?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; I am still waiting,
some of you guys might want to talk to another operator to set
up this one-off conference (the usual date should be Jan 4 and
Jan 18)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik_chris_gaetan</cite>&gt; so I had
an operator on the line</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik_chris_gaetan</cite>&gt; she will
try to fix us a conference within 5 mins with the normal code
66736#</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; thanks</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; ScribeNick:
mhausenblas</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; please join now</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; ScribeNick:
mhausenblas</p>
<p class='phone'>Is Ioannis on phone?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; irc
only</p>
<p class='phone'>right. thanks</p>
<h3 id="item01">ADMIN</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0014.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0014.html</a></p><a name="action01"
id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Erik to remind
Susanne about what is this standard your group has developped !
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]
<strong>[DONE]</strong></p><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Oscar and Jacco
to provide a first implementation by Christmas [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action03" id=
"action03"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Paola to
provide a possible B2B scenario [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action04" id=
"action04"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Paola to supply
XG with reference to corpus and usage license till next week.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]
<strong>[DONE]</strong></p><a name="action05" id=
"action05"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Raphael,
Therry, and Chris to sync UC Wiki description with their new
focus (financial domain) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action06" id=
"action06"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Susanne to look
again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4
standards that together could be the solution [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-</a>
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action07" id=
"action07"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to assist Susanne with looking in
the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards
for the solution [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><a name="action08"
id="action08"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Vassilis,
Raphael, Oscar, Michael, Stamatia to set up a new Deliverable
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action09" id=
"action09"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> all use case
authors to check if their vocabularies are described in this
page ... [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jeff:</cite> Role call on vocabulary
check through all UC</p>
<p class='phone'>-&gt; Iannis, any comments on that one?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>IoannisPratikakis</cite>&gt; In our UC
we have not currently a particular vocabulary but the UC still
evolves</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; --
continues</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Authors of each
use case to fill the summary of their interoperability problems
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action11" id=
"action11"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> chairs to give
hints how it could be possible to join the telecon for free
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0013.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0013.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; -- done</p><a name=
"action12" id="action12"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Jeff to find
the tool to move a wiki page into an HTML page [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]
<strong>[DONE]</strong></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>JeffP</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0012.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0012.html</a></p><a name="action13"
id="action13"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Michael to make
testing how to transfert the wiki page into an XG report
template [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0008.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0008.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> good tool. will take
care for conversion.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; -- done</p><a name=
"action14" id="action14"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Rapahel to
finish the Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action15" id=
"action15"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Raphael to send
the paper describing this work to Suzanne [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action16" id=
"action16"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Sophia to be
the main editor of a merge between the vocabularies and
resources page [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action11</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action17" id=
"action17"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Sophia to find
and send a documentation about this work [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action18" id=
"action18"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Suzanne,
Massimo to further exemplify and sketch the solution: what will
be needed to model in the ontology, and how it would be used
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action19" id=
"action19"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Vassilis and
Jeff to start the Common Framework [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p><a name="action20" id=
"action20"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[NEW]</strong> Vassilis update
the structure of the deliverable and fill it in a XG report
template, HTML document in our W3C space [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p>
<h3 id="item02">Interoperability Deliverable</h3><a name=
"action21" id="action21"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to remind people to
contribute on different parts of deliverable [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action21</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item03">AOB</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jeff:</cite> Talk with coordination
group. Next month we'll know more...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> First: Typo in actions.
Should be TOOLS and RESOURCE page (ref. to action Sophia)<br />
... and VOCABULARY as a standalone deliverable<br />
... regarding MPEG-7 deliverable: section Voc. 4.3 and (old)
MPEG-7 UC will be merged</p><a name="action22" id=
"action22"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to check UC w.r.t. usage of
vocabularies and bug people [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action22</a>]</p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> all use case
authors to check if their vocabularies are described in this page
... [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> chairs to give
hints how it could be possible to join the telecon for free
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to assist
Susanne with looking in the various systems and standards and
identify 3-4 standards for the solution [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to check
UC w.r.t. usage of vocabularies and bug people [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action22</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to make
testing how to transfert the wiki page into an XG report template
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis to
remind people to contribute on different parts of deliverable
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html#action21</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Authors of
each use case to fill the summary of their interoperability
problems [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oscar and
Jacco to provide a first implementation by Christmas [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to
provide a possible B2B scenario [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Rapahel to
finish the Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to
send the paper describing this work to Suzanne [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael,
Therry, and Chris to sync UC Wiki description with their new
focus (financial domain) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sophia to be
the main editor of a merge between the vocabularies and resources
page [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sophia to
find and send a documentation about this work [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Susanne to
look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4
standards that together could be the solution [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Suzanne,
Massimo to further exemplify and sketch the solution: what will
be needed to model in the ontology, and how it would be used
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis and
Jeff to start the Common Framework [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis
update the structure of the deliverable and fill it in a XG
report template, HTML document in our W3C space [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis,
Raphael, Oscar, Michael, Stamatia to set up a new Deliverable
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to remind
Susanne about what is this standard your group has developped !
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Jeff to find the
tool to move a wiki page into an HTML page [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to supply
XG with reference to corpus and usage license till next week.
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
[End of minutes]<br />
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
Found ScribeNick: mhausenblas
Found ScribeNick: mhausenblas
Inferring Scribes: mhausenblas
Default Present: Jeff_Pan, Michael_Hausenblas, +49.861.209.aaaa, +329331aabb, TobiasBuerger, Thomas_Franz, vassilis
Present: Jeff_Pan Michael_Hausenblas +49.861.209.aaaa +329331aabb TobiasBuerger Thomas_Franz vassilis
Agenda: <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0014.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Jan/0014.html</a>
Got date from IRC log name: 11 Jan 2007
Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-mmsem-minutes.html</a>
People with action items: all authors case chairs chris each erik jacco jeff massimo michael of oscar paola rapahel raphael sophia stamatia susanne suzanne therry use vassilis
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