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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>MAWG</h1>
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<h2>08 Dec 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<div class="intro">
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<dl>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>+0436991876aaaa, wbailer, joakim, +95385aabb,
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+47.24.4.aacc, pchampin, [IPcaller]</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>florian, raphael, chris, tobias, veronique, felix</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>SV_MEETING_CHAIR</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>pchampin</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">minutes approval</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">open action items</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Ontology document update</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Test suites</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Hello everyone
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...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> David are you on the
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phoen bridge aswell?</p>
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<p class='phone'>hi all, sorry I'm late</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> scriber?</p>
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<p class='phone'>ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>pchampi</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: pchampin</p>
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<p class='phone'>yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin.html">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin.html</a></p>
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<h3 id="item01">minutes approval</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> next week will be the
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last telecon before Xmas holiday</p>
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<p class='phone'>minutes approved</p>
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<h3 id="item02">open action items</h3>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-154?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-154 --
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Joakim Söderberg to ask dave about the relationship of digital
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data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc -- due
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2009-09-15 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/154">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/154</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I had a discussion with
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Dave</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-154</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-154 Ask
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dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple
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stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-169?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-169 --
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Véronique Malaisé to veronique to update text on in scope
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formats in ontology doc (formats not in mapping table) -- due
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2009-11-12 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/169">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/169</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-169</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-169
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veronique to update text on in scope formats in ontology doc
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(formats not in mapping table) closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-172?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-172 --
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Véronique Malaisé to rewrite intro to be clear on what we mean
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by ontology -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/172">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/172</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>under review by the co-editors</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-172</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-172 rewrite
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intro to be clear on what we mean by ontology closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-174</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-174 check
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if ontology document says that type of mapping specifies if
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there is a loss in semantics closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-176?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-176 --
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Joakim Söderberg to contact browser implementors to review the
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API document -- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/176">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/176</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I sent a mail to Dave. We
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also got a reply from Opera.</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-176</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-176 Contact
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browser implementors to review the API document closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-175?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-175 --
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Felix Sasaki to define data type mappings as soon as the data
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types for the formats are defined -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/175">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/175</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>text has been included</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-185</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-185
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rigo@w3.org to ask pling wg to provide text on including policy
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information closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-189?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-189 --
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Tobias Bürger to work on the the subproperties (<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types)">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types)</a>
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-- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/189">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/189</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> is this still
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relevant?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> it has been
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postponed<br />
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... we can keep it as a reminder</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> can we change the
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description of this action?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the decision is to handle
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subproperties in a generic way<br />
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... and may be in the future define specific subproperties.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Updated ACTION-189 to mark it "postponed"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> the Requirements
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document seems to be here <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html">
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http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> at least it is the
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one linked from the WG home page</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-192?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-192 --
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Joakim Söderberg to and everyone to review the Requirements
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document before 1/12 -- due 2009-12-01 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/192">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/192</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> we got some feedback on
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the document<br />
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... we will issue a new version next tuesday</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-192</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-192 And
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everyone to review the Requirements document before 1/12
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closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I remind everyone to take
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time to update their table</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> I tried to update the
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table with Amaya, but I failed.<br />
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... can you remind the details to gain access to the file?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> get in touch with me,
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I'll give you the details.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> Wonsuk: the trick is
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to get the link correct:</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> becomes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://jigedit.w3.org/jsderber/WWW/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html">
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http://jigedit.w3.org/jsderber/WWW/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/ID3.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> the WG homepage has 2
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sections<br />
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... documents in WG space, and drafts in developments<br />
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... I will remove the mapping tables from the 2nd section<br />
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... because we are now working on the version from the WG
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space.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> This is the current
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version.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/mapping_table.html">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/mapping_table.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the version from the
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draft was exported from XLS</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we have decided to stop
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working on the XLS, and edit the XHTML direcectly<br />
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... in the WG space;<br />
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... so I will remove the one in "drats", which is frozen and
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outdated.<br />
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... (both HTML and XLS files)<br />
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... I will check that we do not lose any information in the
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process.<br />
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... I will also remove the Ontology document from the WG
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space,<br />
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... since we do not work on this one.<br />
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... Hence each document will be present at exactly one
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place<br />
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... which will avoid confusion.</p>
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<p class='phone'>action tmichel to send a mail to the group
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explaining the different document spaces and why some documents
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are to be removed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-200
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- Send a mail to the group explaining the different document
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spaces and why some documents are to be removed [on Thierry
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Michel - due 2009-12-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-199</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-199 Daniel
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to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info
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to joakim closed</p>
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<h3 id="item03">Ontology document update</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Wonsuk summarizes the current state of the
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document.</p>
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<h3 id="item04">Test suites</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> the test suite should be
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ready by the time we have the specification issued<br />
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... Does Thierry has any recommendation about how to
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proceed?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> experience from other
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WGs (SMIL):<br />
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... identify functionalities<br />
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... provide test for each functionality<br />
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... assign two people to each functionality<br />
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... so that each can verify that the test is correct<br />
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... Another solution :<br />
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... some company have test suites for testing their own
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implementations<br />
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... Quite different from the W3C approach, where each test is
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expected to be quite atomic.</p>
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<p class='phone'>The goal is to make sure that two implementors
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will interpret the functionality the same way</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> and implement it in an
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interoperable way.<br />
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... So there should be 1 test <-> 1 functionality</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> will our test be made
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complicated by the fact that we envision both client-side and
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server-side implementations?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> server-side
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implementations could be hidden by a facade javascript
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library<br />
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... so the same test could be applied to client-side and
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server-side implementations.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> +1 to Werner</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we don't need an
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implementation that passes all the tests.<br />
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... one product can pass only 1/2 tests, another product only
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1/3<br />
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... The requirement is that *each* test has 2 implementations
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that pass it.<br />
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... Or we can not become CR.</p>
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<p class='phone'>But there is no requirement for an
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implementation passing 100% tests.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> that is an important
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distinction, indeed.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> once we agree that the
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specification is stable enough,<br />
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... then we should list functionalities and assign people to
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test cases.<br />
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... We should start to do this in last call.<br />
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... But this is a very busy phase : lot of comments to be
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processed.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> hopefuly, the spec will
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be quite stable by the next F2F.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> the question of the test
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suites should be raised at the F2F.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> agree, can't access
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it either!</p>
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<p class='phone'>:-(</p>
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<p class='phone'>seems to last...</p>
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<p class='phone'>thierry, are you still there?</p>
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Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a href=
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scribe.perl</a> version 1.135 (<a href=
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$Date: 2009/12/08 12:59:40 $
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Found Scribe: pchampin
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Inferring ScribeNick: pchampin
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Default Present: +0436991876aaaa, wbailer, joakim, +95385aabb, +47.24.4.aacc, pchampin, [IPcaller]
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Present: +0436991876aaaa wbailer joakim +95385aabb +47.24.4.aacc pchampin [IPcaller]
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Regrets: florian raphael chris tobias veronique felix
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WARNING: No meeting chair found!
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You should specify the meeting chair like this:
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<dbooth> Chair: dbooth
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Got date from IRC log name: 08 Dec 2009
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-mediaann-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items:
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scribe.perl</a> diagnostic output]
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