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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>02 Dec 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>+39.011.228.aaaa, +049172247aabb, hhalpin,
+1.774.811.aacc, +1.781.273.aadd, claudio, MacTed,
+7.970.94.aaff, rreck, AlexPassant, tpa</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>hhalpin</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>AlexPassant</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2009-12-02T16:00-17:00GMT</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">User Stories</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">For Final Report</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">Invited Guest Invitations</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Chris Messina on
ActivityStreams</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 02 December
2009</p>
<p class='phone'>zakim where are u :-) ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>yoshiaki</cite>&gt; 7994 might be
mine, yoshiaki</p>
<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2009-12-02T16:00-17:00GMT</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; not that i want to,
but i cant scribe</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; I could easily be
the worst scribe ever</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i thought its me</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; pchampin: it might be
you</p>
<p class='phone'>ok i will</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe:
AlexPassant</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribenick:
AlexPassant</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to
approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 25th November 2009 as a true
record</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> minutes of last week</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; pchampin: yeah its
you</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; RESOLVED: approved
SWXG WG Weekly -- 25th November 2009 as a true record</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> no objections</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to meet
again Wed. Decemeber 9th</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> next week</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; FOAF and FOAF+SSL
and RDF for data integration over social nets...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; DanBri, can you
make next week/</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> FOAF and FOAF+SSL and
RDF for data integration on the Social Web</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Henry Story?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; just a sec</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> will talk about FOAF
Updating coordination<br />
... ideally with portable contacts</p>
<h3 id="item02">User Stories</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; +1 Alex</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Tim?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> user stories</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> Progress on user stories</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/RequirementsAndUseCases-WorkArea">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/RequirementsAndUseCases-WorkArea</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; very nice!</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> changed the order of
stories<br />
... structure of the document</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; which user am
I?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> business model angle<br />
... corporate contect (e.g. soc net in large compagny)<br />
... featureS: linking people annotating, consuming<br />
... structured in 10 parts, from an end-user perspective<br />
... try to get a comprehensive view of the field</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; +1 on presence
management</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; *great* UseCases
revision.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> lots of changes in a
week</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; *Very* good
work.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; zakim
+1.617.848.aajj is me</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> help needed on some user
stories<br />
... to get them filled<br />
... better direction for the document</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ack ??P26</p>
<p class='phone'>no</p>
<p class='phone'>I just handed up for zakim</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; +q</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Are these no longer
relevant?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Happy to kill
them...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> what about actions on
the weekly agenda<br />
... are they still required ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Do you want me to
tell me which ones are still relevant?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> some of them might be still
needed, some not<br />
... have to go through</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; you can close my
action on business narrative from last week</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> can drop the older
ones</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> corporate story still valid
(adam)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; i am</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> business - done</p><a name=
"action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> cperey to take
business narrative [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - <strong>[DONE]</strong></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re API/widget
discussion, I met with Robin Berjon briefly last week, he's
keen to come talk w/ us re DAP WG and related</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ACTION
<strong>[DONE]</strong>: cperey to take business narrative</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - <strong>[DONE]</strong></p><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> cperey to take
business narrative [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> let people listed on the old
ones to decide themselves</p><a name="action03" id=
"action03"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> adam to
take on corporate story [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; pchampin: thanks</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> some are still usable and
needed</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> (2 weeks) adam
to write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> use cases moved to section 4
(third party)<br />
... including APIs<br />
... mostly tries to do a mapping</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; +q</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> some ended up in multiple
categories</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> fill-in description for
each of them<br />
... went through the all section, feedback required</p><a name=
"action05" id="action05"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> rreck to
flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple identies and
null provenance (rreck) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> is that a sufficient
level of detail at this time ?<br />
... or is that too much ?<br />
... needs review on the first section</p><a name="action06" id=
"action06"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> oshani to
reframe the geolocation/intent/portability (2 weeks) [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> as it will drive the rest
of the work<br />
... sectino on business models</p><a name="action07" id=
"action07"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfish
to relabel data protection use case to be about controlled
access and takedown to data "about" you (2 weeks) [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> is this the right place
for this content ?<br />
... not sure that it needs to be there<br />
... out of scope ?</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfish
to merge Family and Group access usecases (2 weeks) [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> economic / revenue
belongs to this document ?<br />
... business models seems odd where it is at the
moment</p><a name="action09" id="action09"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> (2 weeks) hhalpin explain to henry and
oshani doc editing process for usecases (2 weeks) [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - (2</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> (2 weeks)
hhalpin explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for
usecases (2 weeks) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> template at the top of the
catalogue<br />
... need description of corporate context and developer
views<br />
... tags to each story would make sense<br />
... but bery good description</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> tpa can you do tags<br />
... to avoid heterogeneity</p><a name="action11" id=
"action11"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to tag existing stories
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-114
- Tag existing stories [on Tim Anglade - due 2009-12-09].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> better consistency if
only one / 2 people to the tags<br />
... be consistent with the tags</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> original doc was called
reuirements and use-cases<br />
... business part is more about requirements<br />
... nice illustration of the user stories<br />
... included some way in the final report<br />
... as it matters , on a bigger extent<br />
... site X uses this block and that one<br />
... get a complete catalogue</p>
<h3 id="item03">For Final Report</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> nice illustration</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> buiness X wants to
Y<br />
... what are the requirements<br />
... necessary for business but not for users<br />
... more an argumentative / narrative</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; you are dropping out
hhalpin</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i can</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; maybe it was just
me</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; This definitely
needs some manpower, but keeping it short and sweet is
great.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> some are very
straightforward stories</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; yeah, i will have more
time coming up</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> will work on it</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; ill put some time
in ...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> like to get most of the
stories filled by next week<br />
... then can concentrate on the narrative, tagging</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I'll give it a good
review over Christmas...#</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> needs one or 2 people</p>
<h3 id="item04">Invited Guest Invitations</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hi</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> invited guest agenda</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> updted on the
widgets</p><a name="action12" id="action12"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri to
find someone from Opera to talk Widgets (2 weeks) [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p><a name="action13"
id="action13"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpin
to try to get TimBL to either talk or write-up his use-cases
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item05">Chris Messina on ActivityStreams</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> invited speaker</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; morning
all</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Chris Messina on
Activity Streams</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; I will be able to
time and effort into this tpa hhalpin</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; action danbri set up
a *oodle thing to pick a date for widget/apis telecon</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-115
- Set up a *oodle thing to pick a date for widget/apis telecon
[on Dan Brickley - due 2009-12-09].</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> forwarded links about a
week ago<br />
... let Chris introduce himself<br />
... DISO, etc</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://activitystrea.ms/">http://activitystrea.ms/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://diso-project.org/">http://diso-project.org/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> interest in social
web, communities<br />
... for the last 5 yeasrs</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/12/20/where-were-going-with-activity-streams/">
http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/12/20/where-were-going-with-activity-streams/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> worked on firefox
marketing</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> introduction to the
power of social web / open source<br />
... what a community was like<br />
... started on Flock<br />
... open source architect</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Links to most the
projects are here:</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://factoryjoe.com/blog/projects/">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/projects/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> fundamental vision:
browsers are for a web of documents, not for a web of
people<br />
... make easier to enable interactions<br />
... link all the social networks that one's part of<br />
... time before google acq. youtube, etc.<br />
... browser as the natural place to list people and friends</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; a browser for
myspace :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> left when the
browser idea changed<br />
... microformats community<br />
... let browsers support microformats<br />
... involved in the openid community</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; +1 flocks very
useful when we in W3C were looking at microformats and RDF with
GRDDL...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> get oauth off the
ground<br />
... openid board member<br />
... 2 years term<br />
... involvement in the activity streams project</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://activitystrea.ms/">http://activitystrea.ms/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> DISO project<br />
... ... opensocial was not open nor social<br />
... needded for open social network<br />
... DISO came a framework for such Open SocNet<br />
... will hopefully provide interoperrability building blocks
for the social web</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; ActivityStream
Generator for Opera: <a href=
"http://dev.opera.com/libraries/activitystream/">http://dev.opera.com/libraries/activitystream/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> activitystreams
started when seeing all streams, feeds, etc. on the web<br />
... RSS and Atom as the data input to build the streams<br />
... rich stream / how to understand it<br />
... need more experssive formats than RSS / Atom<br />
... researched what kind of activities / verbs were used<br />
... extension to the Atom format<br />
... transfor AtomXML to a JSON representation to be used in
opensocial<br />
... next opensocial version - much richers</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; -&gt; eg <a href=
"http://groups.google.com/group/activity-streams/browse_thread/thread/16c570492e74afa5">
http://groups.google.com/group/activity-streams/browse_thread/thread/16c570492e74afa5</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> aggregating,
filtering, merging, ...<br />
... activities from several sources<br />
... move opensocial activity streams<br />
... verb URIs, JSON representation<br />
... compatibility between different initiatives<br />
... myspace is using it</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; danbri, you wanted to
ask re atom/json design</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://feedproxy.cliqset.com/">http://feedproxy.cliqset.com/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> issues coming up to have
a JSON design<br />
... noticed similar things on portablecontacts<br />
... merging practices ?<br />
... particular JSON / XML expressions</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> not a dev. but
understands (UI and design background)<br />
... yet, biggest issue is to get the XML schema to JSON</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; JSON issues with
namespaces...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> does not deal with
namespaces properly</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; This is a very
interesting blog post:</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/11/16/the-death-of-the-url/">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/11/16/the-death-of-the-url/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Death of the
URL</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> specifying
expressive JSON activity stream API in opensocial<br />
... not worrying to much on extensions</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; that's the main
problem with JSON: <a href=
"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/the_limitations_of_json">http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/the_limitations_of_json</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> issues also heard
from the PortableContact people<br />
... some efforts needed<br />
... 2 important things</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; what is needed is a
JSON rdf format</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; in RDF scene,
there's still (hopefully) work done mapping RDF over to JSON is
some standardized way...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> straughtforward way
of expressing the activity mode<br />
... + schema for expressing these things<br />
... use the same URI to identify the different verbs</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; verb
proliferation....</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; sounds like you could
use a verb taxonomy</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Sounds like the
owl:sameAs problem...</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://milanstankovic.org/opo-actions/specs/2009/OPO-Actions-20090501/">
http://milanstankovic.org/opo-actions/specs/2009/OPO-Actions-20090501/</a>
also related to the topic</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i would look at
wordnet, and at Levin's verb book</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; I liked <a href=
"http://groups.google.com/group/activity-streams/msg/3ecd9a340dbc730c">
http://groups.google.com/group/activity-streams/msg/3ecd9a340dbc730c</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> use the same terminology
(challenge) but gives opportunity</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; "As long as proper
research and documentation is done, anyone can implement
whatever verbs they want to; that's why they're URIs! "</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; Levin's verb
categories are in the public</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; has he heard of
Levin's verbs?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>rreck:</cite> any reference for that
?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; yes one second</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> high adoption</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; subject-verb-object
model</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> and rapid one</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; to me, very similar
to RDF.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; yet because's
Atom.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; Levin verb index
-&gt; <a href=
"http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/levin.html">http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/levin.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> make think of RDF
modeling (in terms of subjct-verb-object</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; they are linked to
the table of contents which "someone" needs to type in</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> any relationship between
activity streams and RDF ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema">
http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> activity schema</p>
<p class='phone'>thanks rreck</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i have typed that TOC
in</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; schema -&gt;
<a href="http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema">
http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> how do we keep track when
adding more verbs</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Process">http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Process</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +q</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; +q</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> bridge efforts
between different groups</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I admit I was
surprised to see the adoption was so rapid, given the data
model seems very similar to RDF.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> different names to
describe things</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Which has had
historical issues with rapid adoption :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> more likely to go
and implement their own version</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; on Atom and RDF,
there is the Atom OWL ontology: <a href=
"http://bblfish.net/work/atom-owl/2006-06-06/AtomOwl.html">http://bblfish.net/work/atom-owl/2006-06-06/AtomOwl.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> looked at the
patterns<br />
... extracted best practices</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; so it should be
easy to add activity streams to the transform</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> turneed into a
solution that everyone can adopt with minimal effort</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; everyone was
already using Atom feeds...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Hmm...looks like a
GRDDL for ActivityStreams could be in order.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> friendfeed.
facebook parse the feeds in a very specific way<br />
... location service sharing<br />
... goal was to look at what feeds publisher are doing<br />
... what the actor / object are<br />
... challenge: what the verb is<br />
... update the feeds in a non-introsive way<br />
... 10/15 minutes to get a feed<br />
... if already publishing atom<br />
... alignement is as lightweight as possible<br />
... more pragmatic that data purist<br />
... anyone that adapt the format is able to showcase the feed
better than any competitor<br />
... market place with a desire to solve that problem<br />
... e.g. myspace wants to get activities from different
sources<br />
... plaxo, etc. all duplicating the work<br />
... opportunity for standardization<br />
... same as with openid<br />
... relationship to the RDF triples<br />
... in general the triple approach is very compelling<br />
... you can convert in any format once you have the data<br />
... start with something easy<br />
... facebook and myspace and youtube onboard<br />
... look at what can be done with the data in novel ways</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> close fit regarding data
formats<br />
... interesting would be to look at activity streams
mappins</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Ron?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; you cant hear me</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; ok you cant hear
me</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; darn</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; we can hear
you</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (re rdf, some
colleagues in the notube project did do an rdf mapping, and
compare/contrast w/ rdf version of activity/event schemas)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> transform Atom into
RDF<br />
... worked on the atom syntax spec<br />
... spend some time to create an ontology for taht<br />
... one key element that may have slow doen the RDF adoption
inthat realm<br />
... apart the tools not being there<br />
... triples and metadata about the content itself<br />
... need to distinguish what the content is about<br />
... merge from different sources</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; So there's some
issues with regards lack of context/named graphs in rdf
here.</p>
<p class='phone'>whos speaking ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; "a financial
interest in verbs" ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; yes, the man does
have financial interest in verbs :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>rreck:</cite> where to find verbs</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt;
"unnatural"</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ah, i heard
financial too</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; :)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>rreck:</cite> categorisation of verbs,
broken into categories<br />
... similar syntactially, etc.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I mean, you know,
people do get paid for computational linguistics.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; SIOC helps handle
this distinction -- between "document description" (i.e., file
metadata) and "content description" (i.e., named entities used
in text *within* the file)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>rreck:</cite> wordnet is one of them</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; Container is the key
element</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>rreck:</cite> will contact offline</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Process">http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Process</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> posted a link to
the activity streams process</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; so just to
summarize what I was saying above: the content of an atom
format is something that has to end up being mapped to a Graph.
So before SPARQL was out and named graphs were well accepted in
the semweb community, it was a bit diffiuclt to express this in
RDF.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> important thing:
about interoperability<br />
... communication between one and other</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; non-thinking
entities --- companies or computers?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> want to avoid
people inventing new verbs again and again<br />
... wht types of activities are needed from a publisher point
of view<br />
... to communicate</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; So, maybe one way
to say it, the verbs we are interested are "domain-specific" to
the social web.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> interested in
getting a core set of verbs to begin with<br />
... as anytime a new verb is added. lots of people are required
to use them<br />
... URIs for new verbs<br />
... registries of verbs<br />
... synonyms can be done later on<br />
... very obvisou verbs of the social web<br />
... as standards as possible<br />
... and then grows from there</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; danbri, you wanted to
ask re TV viewing feed examples (xbmc/boxee etc)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> starting with 40
verbs (approx.)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema">
http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> the one seen used
on the web</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema">
http://martin.atkins.me.uk/specs/activitystreams/activityschema</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Ack, chrismessina
beat me :)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; ;) sorry!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; danbri have you seen
<a href=
"http://testtubetelly.channel4.com/?">http://testtubetelly.channel4.com/?</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Verb-Mapping">http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Verb-Mapping</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> verb-mapping<br />
... took a lok at the verbs visible on a site<br />
... evaluated the existing formats<br />
... then take the verbs and the way they describe the
activities</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>petef</cite>&gt; Test Tube Telly is a
good use case for Activity Streams and TV.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> a few classes of
activities<br />
... and mapped them with the existing<br />
... boxee.tv<br />
... few unknown verbs</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; boxee.tv</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> work with the
community to see how you implement it is ok<br />
... then implements</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; boxee.tv</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; does anyone else
think SKOS when they read verb mapping?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> create ver,
document, implement, get feedback</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Yes, SKOS could be
useful here,</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1 SKOS</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> disambiguation ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ok, got to go to
another conf call.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i would love to show
a interoperable approach for verb mapping using skos</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; but it would be
useful to have the vocabulary of activity streams published as
RDF linked data</p>
<p class='phone'>-1 for skos for verbs (while the SKOS
properties are useful)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; which of course would
mean lots of this information is available out of the box</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; and have that
mapped in such as a way that it can fit in with AtomOWL
transform...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; examples of what
comes out of boxee: <a href=
"http://twitter.com/bandriball">http://twitter.com/bandriball</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> some can use
microformats, wikipedia page, etc.<br />
... author, title and body content<br />
... then enclosure, but pretty weak<br />
... adding the actor of the post</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; eg <a href=
"http://twitter.com/bandriball/status/5148136281">http://twitter.com/bandriball/status/5148136281</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> adding some
microformats in the content to parse the object and iunderstand
what it is<br />
... great problem to address then<br />
... but need to get the issue first</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; pchampin, you wanted
to ask a very basic question about cliqset</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>pchampin:</cite> cliqset: generate
activity streams from different sources<br />
... to what extent do you get the correct verb from these
sources ?<br />
... feed reformating or getting information from the site using
API ?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://feedproxy.cliqset.com/">http://feedproxy.cliqset.com/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; it *is* great
:)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> consume the feed
from the provider<br />
... hope that richer amount of information will come from the
sources<br />
... more precise verbs that show up in the feed<br />
... or richer object definition<br />
... define tthe target of an activity<br />
... e.g. adding flickr to a set in flickr<br />
... tracking a photo album, etc.<br />
... as opposed to follow each individual picture</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; thanks</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; in my experience
shame doesnt work</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt;
buddypress.org</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> would like to get
buddypress adopt activiystreams<br />
... open source PHP activity streams parser would be
great<br />
... convincing people to adopt it</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://dev.opera.com/libraries/activitystream/">http://dev.opera.com/libraries/activitystream/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; chrismessina, you're
saying there's no good opensrc php consumer, yet?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; there is
not</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> underlying code /
libraries should accelerate the adoption</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; ok, maybe i know a
funded project that might help there ... (www.notube.tv) ... do
you have a requirements spec?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; labourML?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Sounds british
:)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://userlabor.org/">http://userlabor.org/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Will note
that...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> other examples of
formats for activities</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://socialdesktop.org/">http://socialdesktop.org/</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> social
desktop<br />
... linkedin</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Well, just looking
for other tech in the same space, but it's clear
activitystreams seems to have the momentum...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> none of them is
moving forward interoperable standards</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; also some discussion
around xmpp community for activity streams over xmpp ---
<a href=
"http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/social/2009-April/000536.html">
http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/social/2009-April/000536.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> shoudl be
interoperable, shoud be open<br />
... role of W3C: valuable to provide spotlight on this
work<br />
... thinking about the role W3C plays in incubating
things<br />
... boards member of the OpenWeb fundation<br />
... as it was hard to understand how W3C coudl bootstrap such
grassroots projects<br />
... take about 1.5 years / 2 years<br />
... but becoming a defacto standard<br />
... while working independantly from a standard body</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I think it's a
great amount of success...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> like to see other
similar efforts succeed as well<br />
... based on the work theyre doing</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (+1 to all that)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> interested in how
this kind of work can be supported</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> would like to outline
some kind of plan<br />
... should W3C provide infrastructure<br />
... what are the pros and cons<br />
... IP policies, etc.<br />
... transition period, time for suggestions<br />
... looking for suggestions</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; linkedin's
verbs: <a href=
"http://developer.linkedin.com/docs/DOC-1006">http://developer.linkedin.com/docs/DOC-1006</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> how W3C can help such
efforts</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; brainstorming about
how to open up W3C and get relationships with all other
foundations and standards bodies would be useful.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> W3C key goal is to let the
web open</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and what resources
the W3C has to offer the wider community</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (mentioned <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/</a>
)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> XG process started few years
ago</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; it's just kinda
unclear what the wider community wants.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> time for starting working on
such topics<br />
... lots of XG now</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; wider = everyone
working to keep the web open</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> question shoud be how can
W3C facilitate such efforts</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> DISO and activity
projects done on spare time<br />
... did them as believe in Open Web<br />
... find things to build better and richer solutions<br />
... compagnies that have IP who decided that they come together
to advance the set of things<br />
... avoid to much fragmentation of a market<br />
... Web is a more fluid place, subject to changes<br />
... very essential to come up with patterns that are easy to
adopt / use<br />
... to drive interoperable standards</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; it's more a w3c
observation</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> bring new protocols
but make sure to ensure the openess<br />
... standards bodies created solutions for large compagnies</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Good point re ramp
for smaller projects</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; danbri, you wanted to
mention w3c process is in-scope</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; we need some sort
of relationship re smaller bodies.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and now the massive
amount of creativity which is in the grassroots</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; (and then
relationships with larger bodies like IETF)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; you broke up a little
danbri</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; getting late,
guys</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; we need to (cut the
song short and) close this meeting!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; basically W3C can be
what we make of it, ...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; we'll close after
question from tpa</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> openess in an
networked world</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; but feel free to
exist..</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; free to exit.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> W3C becomes an
engie for interoperability of open technologies</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; one of the issues re
w3c membership model, is that it becomes hard to structure w3c
so pressure is put on its members to play well w/
standards...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; tim?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (because they're
supplying $)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> efforts like openid and
oauth where supported by people working on the Web<br />
... much more idealist process<br />
... W3C has not doing that so far<br />
... q on activity streams<br />
... lots of discussion on publishing and having people on
boards</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (re individuals vs
employers, ... often people do have relevant employers, but
it's the individual who is the driver, and the employer
situation is often damage control, ie. making sure they behave
well re patents)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> but cannot find lot of
applications</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> challenging in
terms of adoption<br />
... motivate the consumer<br />
... then producers<br />
... chicken and egg problem</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; I imagine Chrome
will take it up...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>chrismessina:</cite> windows live
support<br />
... if you create a widget, it produces a stream<br />
... friends are able to subscribe<br />
... P2P process to the browsers<br />
... larger publishers (youtube, NYT)<br />
... more a timing issue<br />
... once spec will be out, hope to see rapid adoption<br />
... twitter introduced an important verb: to follow<br />
... can follow people whatever client is used</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; we dont' have any
clear answers quite yet</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Chris Messina
Prime</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; thanks Chris</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chrismessina</cite>&gt; thanks
all!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hajons</cite>&gt; thanks!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; thanks :)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1 thanks Chris!</p>
<p class='phone'>thanks!</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; we will be adding it
to our existing activity streams</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; inside Boeing</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Meeting
Adjourned.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; bye all</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; thx</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; thx</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; AlexPassant:, hhalpin
there were some typos / misunderstanding in the writeup of my
last comment</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; How should I propose
edits to that :)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; tpa, just rewrite
the comment here</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and i'll fix it
when I clean up the meeting.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; tpa: efforts like
openid and oauth where supported by people working on the Web
but not necessarily in the right field so they tend to
participate as individuals. W3C should probably have a clear
policy of allowing individuals to join to attract the same kind
of crowd and efforts</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; excellent.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; we should have a
telecon on W3C process and W3C role once we have some strawman
proposals.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; tpa: also, have a more
iterative process, like those groups, which historically the
W3C has not been good at.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; hhalpin: yes, that'd be
great</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; I think there are some
clear point to report back on</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tpa</cite>&gt; but we're so in the
middle of them, we don't necessarily see them</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; trackbot, end
meeting</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (2 weeks) hhalpin
explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for usecases (2
weeks) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to tag
existing stories [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (2 weeks)
hhalpin explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for
usecases (2 weeks) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to take
on corporate story [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
merge Family and Group access usecases (2 weeks) [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
relabel data protection use case to be about controlled access
and takedown to data "about" you (2 weeks) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
find someone from Opera to talk Widgets (2 weeks) [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to
try to get TimBL to either talk or write-up his use-cases
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to
reframe the geolocation/intent/portability (2 weeks) [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> rreck to
flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple identies and
null provenance (rreck) [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (2 weeks) adam
to write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to take
business narrative [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to take
business narrative [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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