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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>03 Mar 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>please remind people in your next agenda for the new time
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slot until march 29th</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>veroniqueM</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Mapping of formats</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">editors for the documents</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Questionnaire: Survey of Mapping
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Formats</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 03 March
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> Veronique is scriber
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today, are you ready ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
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telecon 17 February 2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>previous minutes approved</p>
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<p class='phone'>Selection of scribe for next meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Thierry will scribe
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next week</p>
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<p class='phone'>no one is appointed yet</p>
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<p class='phone'>any volonteer?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Thierry volunteered as a scribe</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Thierry will scribe
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next week</p>
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<p class='phone'>next week the teleconf will be at the same US
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time</p>
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<p class='phone'>but we have to be careful with the summer
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time</p>
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<p class='phone'>no changes for US people</p>
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<p class='phone'>people joining from Asia will have to dial one
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hour earlier</p>
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<p class='phone'>people joining from Europe will have to dial
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one hour earlier</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> shall we reschedule the
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teleconf?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> how many members
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need to change the schedule ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I am fine with the
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3 weeks one one earlier</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> +1 for one
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earlier</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> I have a high
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preference for not dialing in one hour earlier in Europe (I
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could not make the call)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> one hour
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earlier</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I'me fine with
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having the telecon at 13:00 Paris Time for 3 weeks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> +1 for one
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earlier</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> +1 for one
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earlier</p>
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<p class='phone'>I'me fine with having the telecon at 13:00
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Paris Time for 3 weeks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1 for 13:00 for 3
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weeks, but not after</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> doesnt matter to
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me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> For some reason I
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can't open the minutes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> we keep the official
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schedule and people dialing from Asia and Europe will dial one
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hour earlier</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> can't open the minutes,
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does anyone else have the same problem?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> Now it works!</p>
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<p class='phone'>problem solved: minutes are now accessible</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Action items</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, bad ACTION
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syntax</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> ACTION-43</p>
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<p class='phone'>first action is on Felix</p>
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<p class='phone'>action is still pending</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - is</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> ACTION-43</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> ACTION-47</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> felix : action 43
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is still pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> action item is still
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pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> ACTION-80 is still
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open</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Frank:</cite> action still pending,
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would someone take over?</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> action is still
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pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> the action should be
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transfered to me</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>is closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION 83 is still open</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - 83</p>
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<p class='phone'>84 is done</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-84</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-84 Set up
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questionnaire for format selection closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>is still open</p>
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<p class='phone'>Felix and Joakim: we should put a schedule on
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that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> and define how to update
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the requirement document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Felix, if you need
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any support: please tell me.</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/86">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/86</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> tobias, yes
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please!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> you just need to
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get CVS access from Thierry, and you can get started</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> has updated it, and will
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still update it, it seems that there are still some access
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problems, will take care of that later offline</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/87">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/87</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> action is still
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pending</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> Werner: did you look
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into the Google Dataset API ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> this is a
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ACTION-87</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/88">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/88</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> action 87 is
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pending</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - 87</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> has sent a mail for update
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propsal</p>
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<p class='phone'>close action 88</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close action-88</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-88 Gather
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material for publishing a recommendation track working draft
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closed</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Mapping of formats</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> the ontology and api have
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to be as simple as possible<br />
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... Joakim an Thierry do you have an idea about how to move
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forward this topic?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Pierre Antoine sent an
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email about ID3 mappings<br />
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... and followed up discussion was about the complexity of
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ontologies<br />
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... not sure what the concensus about it is?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> meantimes we looked into
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mappings and implementations<br />
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... we don't have a definite conclusion but we can still move
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forward so it is ok as is<br />
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... does anyone think we are going in the wrong direction right
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now?<br />
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... if not it is ok to go on the discussion and comparison of
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examples<br />
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... we take into account abstraction levels existing in the
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mapping tables: this is fine<br />
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... for example<br />
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... difficult to formulate more specific conclusions now<br />
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... we can continue to work on the mapping table and
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implementations</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> we don't need to
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implement the whole mapping table<br />
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... this is why we have the questionaire of format
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selection<br />
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... and if someone wants to implement other formats they are
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welcome</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> opinion, that even
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"flat looking" metadata scheme involve several layers of
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abstraction, and so that our ontology must take this into
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account, preferably in an explicit way.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Pierre Antoine wrote
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about needed atributes dealing with ID3</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> fundamental
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question: are you thinking that we have to implement all
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mapping tables within our specification ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> and several layers of
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abstraction</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> @Daniel: the survey
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was sold as an informative way of defining priorities for the
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work of the group ... and NOT a decision on the formats to
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consider</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> now that we have the
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mapping table, we should implement them in a more
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"operationnal" format</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> the survey is
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informative</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> +1 to Raphael' irc
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remark</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> I agree with the fact
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that our ontology and API should be simple<br />
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... how many people are willing to implement a mapping?<br />
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... who is a volunteer for an implementation?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> we should publish the
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mapping table in march, did not mention the volunteering of
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implentations</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> currently
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Pierre-Antoine and Felix for toy implementations, but they
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cover only small bits</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> both PA and Felix have
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provided a toy implementation, but they do not cover
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everything</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> Question: any more
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volunteers for toy implementation ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> so far, 3
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volunteers: PA, Felix and Wonsuk, other volunteers ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> needs help to design the
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ontology<br />
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... the group has experts in ontology design<br />
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... we have to define the language<br />
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... can anyone comment on that?<br />
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... would be very useful for his toy implementation</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> it seems that the working
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group has to get some guidelines for designing an ontology</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I can volunteer for
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this<br />
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... but how do you see the relation between the toy ontology,
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the toy implementation and the final ontology to deliver?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> the delivery is open to
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everything, the ontology can be prose. formal representation
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and whatever language<br />
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... any kind of language is ok</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> people developping toy
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implementation should document what language they are building
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upon</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> the documentation process
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is not part of our work, is it?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> tobias, you wanted to
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tell the group about the initiative Veronique and Tobias
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started to map XMP->DC->VRA using semantics</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Tobias:</cite> Vero and I have started
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working on the mapping of the rdf representations of XMP to
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dublin core and vra<br />
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... this can also be considered as a toy application</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> do we need an action item
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for ontology design guidelines?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> agrres but tooo big task
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for himself alone</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> making a wikipage would
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be useful</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> let's continue this on
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the mailing list</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> will try to make a more
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publishable version of the mapping table, this could be a good
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starting point for this ontology design guideline</p>
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<h3 id="item02">editors for the documents</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> do we need editors for
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the guidelines?<br />
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... we have a good editor team from the UC and REQ document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> I can also
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contribute.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I could also contribute
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to the edition of documents</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> I can continue to
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contribute</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> candidates for new
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editorial team: Tobias, Joakim,<br />
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... Felix</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> I can also
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contribute..</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Vero can also contribute
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(moderately)<br />
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... Wonsuk too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> I can contribute
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too</p>
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<h3 id="item03">Questionnaire: Survey of Mapping Formats</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> did not get feedback
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yet</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we have a low rate of
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feedback on the questionaire</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> would be interesting to
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know who answered</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> we should re-open the
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questionaire and rise the question to the mailing list</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> I can re-open the
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questionnaire, till the next telecon<br />
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... will draw conclusions March 10</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> reopen until March
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10</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> raphael, you wanted
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to talk about TAG investigation around metadata, see <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html">http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Chris Poppe from IBBT also volunteers to
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contribute as an editor</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> the tag group has been
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very active and publishing a page about metadata<br />
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... the group should look at that page</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Daniel:</cite> any other issue?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>daniel</cite>> bye</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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$Date: 2009/03/03 13:57:25 $
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Succeeded: s/Felix/Thierry/
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Succeeded: s/the same time/the same US time/
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