You can not select more than 25 topics
Topics must start with a letter or number, can include dashes ('-') and can be up to 35 characters long.
697 lines
24 KiB
697 lines
24 KiB
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
|
|
|
|
<html lang='en' xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
|
|
<head>
|
|
<meta name="generator" content=
|
|
"HTML Tidy for Linux/x86 (vers 12 April 2005), see www.w3.org" />
|
|
|
|
<title>MMSEM Athens F2F Meeting, December 8-9 2006 -- 8 Dec
|
|
2006</title>
|
|
<link type="text/css" rel="STYLESHEET" href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/base.css" />
|
|
<link type="text/css" rel="STYLESHEET" href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/public.css" />
|
|
<link type="text/css" rel="STYLESHEET" href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2004/02/minutes-style.css" />
|
|
<meta content="MMSEM Athens F2F Meeting, December 8-9 2006" name=
|
|
"Title" />
|
|
<meta content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" http-equiv=
|
|
"Content-Type" />
|
|
</head>
|
|
|
|
<body>
|
|
<p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C" border="0" height=
|
|
"48" width="72" /></a></p>
|
|
|
|
<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
|
|
|
|
<h1>MMSEM Athens F2F Meeting, December 8-9 2006</h1>
|
|
|
|
<h2>8 Dec 2006</h2>
|
|
|
|
<p><a href=
|
|
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Dec/0014.html'>
|
|
Agenda</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-irc">IRC
|
|
log</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
|
|
|
|
<div class="intro">
|
|
<dl>
|
|
<dt>Present</dt>
|
|
|
|
<dd>Giorgos_Stamou, Susanne_Boll, Sofia, Stamatia,
|
|
Chrisa_Tsinsaraki, Paola, Oscar, Eric, Tobias, Michael,
|
|
Thierry, Tomas, Ioannis, Raphael, Jeff, Vassilis</dd>
|
|
|
|
<dt>Regrets</dt>
|
|
|
|
<dt>Chair</dt>
|
|
|
|
<dd>Jeff, Raphael</dd>
|
|
|
|
<dt>Scribe</dt>
|
|
|
|
<dd>Raphael</dd>
|
|
</dl>
|
|
</div>
|
|
|
|
<h2>Contents</h2>
|
|
|
|
<ul>
|
|
<li>
|
|
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
|
|
|
|
<ol>
|
|
<li><a href="#item01">1. Music Recommendation Use
|
|
Case</a></li>
|
|
|
|
<li><a href="#item02">2. News Use Case (Thierry
|
|
Declerk)</a></li>
|
|
|
|
<li><a href="#item03">3. MPEG-7 Use Case
|
|
(Stamatia)</a></li>
|
|
|
|
<li><a href="#item04">4. Photo Use Case</a></li>
|
|
|
|
<li><a href="#item05">5. Multimedia Authoring Use
|
|
Case</a></li>
|
|
|
|
<li><a href="#item06">6. Semantic Media Retrieval Use
|
|
Case</a></li>
|
|
</ol>
|
|
</li>
|
|
|
|
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
|
|
</ul>
|
|
<hr />
|
|
|
|
<div class="meeting">
|
|
<p class='phone'> </p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Good afternoon everybody</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Jeff open the meeting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>We have problems to connect to Zakim ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Raphael</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Jeff talk about the possibilities in the
|
|
future, and mention the opportunity of having a WG</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> smooth transition between
|
|
an XG to a WG<br />
|
|
... will be a topic of discussion tomorrow<br />
|
|
... the previous XG (content labeling) is trying to become a
|
|
WG</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>I'm trying to scribe</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item01">1. Music Recommendation Use Case</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Oscar Celma is</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>an official new invited expert</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Introduction:</cite> personal music
|
|
collections have grown</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Music information Place: Audio (music
|
|
recording), Text (lyrics), Video (video clips, CD covers)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Song metadata includes editorial, acoustic and
|
|
cultural information</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Users are represented by their profiles
|
|
including demographic, geographic and psychographic
|
|
information</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Metadata initiatives for describing Audio
|
|
Content</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>ID3 v2, OGG, APE v2, MusicBrainz 2.1 (RDF data
|
|
not yet supported)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>see vocabularies page</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>ID3, OGG and APE are tag based (free attribute
|
|
value pairs)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>All these approaches focus on editorial
|
|
information</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Audio Ontologies (in OWL)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Kanzaki, Music Production, Music
|
|
Recommendation</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>See vocabularies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>OGG Vorbis example</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Interoperability problems and solutions:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> Two general approaches:
|
|
1/ integration at RDF level (song, artist instances) ; 2/
|
|
ontology mapping ?<br />
|
|
... but there is no really ontologies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Concrete example, see code in the wiki</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Idea:</cite> take the commonalities
|
|
between all the proposed tags by these schema (ID3, OGG,
|
|
etc.)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> for which reasons the
|
|
ontology has been made ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>ID3 tags are inside the audio file</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Jeff:</cite> is there some conflicting
|
|
name between the various schemas ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Advantages:</cite> possible scenarios
|
|
?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Create personalized playlists ... exploit song
|
|
metadata (RDF), plus user profile</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Upcoming gigs (user FOAF profile, geonames,
|
|
RDF data about the venues and events</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Simplify navigation in music collections
|
|
through personalized views</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>integrate RDF music data into /facet</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>EM is Erik Mannens</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Semi-automatic annotation of music</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>(link with the tagging use case)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Semantic podcast</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Mention a wikilyrics that could have a
|
|
webservice for getting the lyricsof a song</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Paola:</cite> relation between a
|
|
consumer and buisness; why not B2B ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Oscar:</cite> it is possible</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Future Plans:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>search for commonalities between the various
|
|
schema, build under the Music Recommendation ontology</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Do a ID3 to RDF translation</p><a name=
|
|
"action01" id="action01"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Oscar and Jacco to provide a first
|
|
implementation by Christmas [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><a name="action02"
|
|
id="action02"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to provide a possible B2B
|
|
scenario [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item02">2. News Use Case (Thierry Declerk)</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> ScribeNick:
|
|
mhausenblas</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> General introduction,
|
|
NewsML, XBRL. UC will focus on financial domain.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Thierry explains the 'Metadata Labels</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> TITLE tag contains a list
|
|
(even sentence) of keywords<br />
|
|
... not sure if keywords stem from a controlled vocabulary</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Translating XBRL
|
|
into Description Logic</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Information about
|
|
companie, profit and loss, etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick:
|
|
mhausenblas</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Possible
|
|
application: expose NewsML information in RDF</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Combine (lightweight)
|
|
NewsML with XBRL descriptions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> link them with RDF
|
|
version of XBRL and DownJonesML</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> B2B scenario</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Challenge: merging
|
|
all the data</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Jeff:</cite> Concrete Examples?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Hopefully 01/2007 real
|
|
world data should be available<br />
|
|
... Chris HW is in touch with DowJones<br />
|
|
... Any contribution is welcome. Michael will try to get some
|
|
real world examples from NM2</p><a name="action03" id=
|
|
"action03"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael, Therry, and Chris to sync UC
|
|
Wiki description with their new focus (financial domain)
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Paola:</cite> How about using Reuters
|
|
test corpus?</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to supply XG with reference to
|
|
corpus and usage license till next week. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Back after the
|
|
coffee break</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item03">3. MPEG-7 Use Case (Stamatia)</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Chrisa Tsinaraki
|
|
will join this use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Motivation: MPEG-7
|
|
is a set of XML schemas</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... lack of
|
|
explicit and precise semantics</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... effort to
|
|
attach formal semantics to mpeg7 (ontologies)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Example 1:
|
|
semantically identically metadata can be represented in
|
|
multiple ways</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Example 2: image
|
|
representation in itself as a multimedia entity can be
|
|
performed in multiple ways as well</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Example 3: a video
|
|
segment can be a frame, a shot, a program</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Example 4: loose
|
|
meaning of decomposition: not part/whole semantics</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Approaches:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Hunter: initially
|
|
in DAML+OIL and then RDFS and OWL</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... link to the ABC
|
|
core model</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... decomposition
|
|
is captured using subclass constructs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> raphel: actually,
|
|
the result of the decomposition, the segment !!!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> no formal axioms:
|
|
an image cannot be decomposed temporally</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> SMARTWeb approach:
|
|
same problem, no such axioms</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Tsinaraki:
|
|
translation of MPEG-7 MDS into OWL</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Example whith the
|
|
variations between Tsinaraki and Hunter ontologies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Possible solutions:
|
|
1/ mappings between the various ontologies ; 2/ build a core
|
|
ontology ? ; 3/ formalize the profiles</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Scribenick:
|
|
raphael</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Chrisa presents the DS-MIRF framework</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Transformations from OWL/RDF to MPEG-7/21 in
|
|
both ways</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>use of a reconstruction ontology: introducing
|
|
the ordering of the elements, the default values</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>the solution of the use case could be based on
|
|
Chrisa approach</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>ocelma</cite>> +1 too!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Sophia and Chrisa will join this use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>PB:</cite> nobody knows a use of some
|
|
MPEG-7 ontologies ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> why using these two
|
|
ontologies ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> we do not focus on
|
|
these two ontologies but rather on the mechanism for bridging
|
|
multimedia ontologies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> what this use case is
|
|
about ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> there is various MPEG-7
|
|
ontologies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Oscar:</cite> propose to add a new
|
|
document focusing on MPEG-7<br />
|
|
... taking the part in the vocabularies deliverable</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> why not making a new
|
|
document ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>ocelma</cite>> that's what I meant!
|
|
:-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1 , volunteer
|
|
for creating it ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>ocelma</cite>> +1 to contribute it
|
|
(with Roberto Garcia, I hope!), once its created.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>+1 to contribute too</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Yannis:</cite> establish mappings
|
|
between this multimedia ontologies and the existing
|
|
vocabularies (FOAF, DC, ...)<br />
|
|
... would be more lessons learned that can be further used
|
|
rather than an example of a use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Proposal:</cite> to take off MPEG-7 from
|
|
the use case list and make a new standalone document</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>this document will focus on MPEG-7, the
|
|
various ontologies, and their interoperability
|
|
problems</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis, Raphael, Oscar, Michael,
|
|
Stamatia to set up a new Deliverable [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Thierry and Paul and Massimo at DFKI will join
|
|
this deliverable</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item04">4. Photo Use Case</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Susanne Boll presents the use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Photos:</cite> today (pixel-based +
|
|
additional information)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>tomorrow:</cite> capture and derive
|
|
semantics annotation</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>What we want to know about photos: who, when,
|
|
where, how long, weather, place, location, surrounding,
|
|
company, quality, what I did, moud</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Is tagging enough ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>there is not unique reasonable description
|
|
scheme for photos (EXIF, photoRDF, IPTC)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>photo undergo cross-platform distribution
|
|
search</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>need for low-level features</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Yiannis:</cite> MPEG-A about photo
|
|
collections</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/technologies/mpa-pp/index.htm">
|
|
http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/technologies/mpa-pp/index.htm</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>need for context and content</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>ocelma</cite>> (similar as Music
|
|
UC)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Existing standards: EXIF, IPTC, PhotoRDF,
|
|
FOAF, DC, MPEG-7</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Interoperability problems:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> metadata preservation and
|
|
enrichment<br />
|
|
... centralized vs decentralized storage<br />
|
|
... lacking lean but comprehensive standard</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>What could be the solution ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Face recognition is really important, as well
|
|
as Event (using potentially contextual information)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Propose to have a standard way to include in
|
|
the photo a link towards the description</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> so that photo application
|
|
system can use the metadata to do ... cool stuff :-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>What kind of metadata ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Focus on EXIF, a standard for visual features,
|
|
a vocabulary for the content ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> will you use RDF at all
|
|
?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Susanne:</cite> I'm not against, but not
|
|
big fan !<br />
|
|
... my concern is about the size of the description</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Erik will join this use case</p><a name=
|
|
"action06" id="action06"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Susanne to look again in the various
|
|
systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together
|
|
could be the solution [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item05">5. Multimedia Authoring Use Case</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>SMIL, SVG, Flash, SMIL BLP, SVG Tiny</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Example of a SMIL document</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Problem:</cite> you use metadata in the
|
|
select and assemble processes, but there is a semantics
|
|
barriers<br />
|
|
... as soon as you transform it in SMIL or in Flash ... you
|
|
loose the metadata !</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>What is lost: structural information is hidden
|
|
in the format of the presentation, emergent semantics when
|
|
authoring</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>What is needed: making discourse and
|
|
structural information explicit for search and access to
|
|
documents and fragments</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Existing standards: LOM (Learning Objects
|
|
metadata) and SMIL metadata module</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Multimedia documents hide almost everything
|
|
... no description for search</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> an annotation problem, as
|
|
well as an interoperability</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Proposal:</cite> is this use case a
|
|
clear open issue ?<br />
|
|
... no solutions seem exist<br />
|
|
... we all clearly see the problems<br />
|
|
... but not the solutions<br />
|
|
... susanne will continue to edit her thoughts on the
|
|
wiki</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to remind Susanne about what is
|
|
this standard your group has developped ! [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item06">6. Semantic Media Retrieval Use Case</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Tobias will join the previous use case
|
|
(Multimedia Authoring)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Ioannis Pratikakis</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>(From the Analysis Perspective)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Deal with semantic interoperability for
|
|
automatic media interpretation / understanding</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>linking of low-level features to high level
|
|
semantics</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Example 1: lack of semantics in low-level
|
|
descriptors (single media)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Example 2: interchange of semantics between
|
|
media (multiple media)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>This use case related to interchange of
|
|
low-level descriptors for semantic interpretation</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> exchanging classifiers is
|
|
more interesting that exchanging descriptors<br />
|
|
... MPEG-7 is useful for content-based retrieval<br />
|
|
... but not for any semantic access</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Interoperability problems</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>A user might want to exchange class
|
|
descriptions between an imaging device, a set-top box, etc ...
|
|
the process should be exchanged</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Solution:</cite></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>exchange classifier parameters, and class
|
|
descriptions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>sketch of solution: multimedia core ontology,
|
|
media descriptor ontology, classifier ontology, domain
|
|
ontology</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> sounds really close to
|
|
the algorithm use case</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Example contained in the use cases</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Vassilis:</cite> sounds like more a
|
|
fusion problem that an interoperability problems<br />
|
|
... will be discussed more tomorrow with the algorithm use
|
|
case<br />
|
|
... seems to have a lot of overlap</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>That close the meeting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Meeting starts tomorrow at 9:30 Greek time
|
|
!!!!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>See you tomorrow</p>
|
|
</div>
|
|
|
|
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
|
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to remind
|
|
Susanne about what is this standard your group has developped !
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oscar and Jacco
|
|
to provide a first implementation by Christmas [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to provide
|
|
a possible B2B scenario [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Paola to supply
|
|
XG with reference to corpus and usage license till next week.
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael, Therry,
|
|
and Chris to sync UC Wiki description with their new focus
|
|
(financial domain) [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Susanne to look
|
|
again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4
|
|
standards that together could be the solution [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Vassilis,
|
|
Raphael, Oscar, Michael, Stamatia to set up a new Deliverable
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<br />
|
|
[End of minutes]<br />
|
|
<hr />
|
|
|
|
<address>
|
|
Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a href=
|
|
"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm">
|
|
scribe.perl</a> version 1.127 (<a href=
|
|
"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/">CVS log</a>)<br />
|
|
$Date: 2006/12/08 16:49:11 $
|
|
</address>
|
|
|
|
<div class="diagnostics">
|
|
<hr />
|
|
|
|
<h2>Scribe.perl diagnostic output</h2>[Delete this section
|
|
before finalizing the minutes.]<br />
|
|
<pre>
|
|
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.127 of Date: 2005/08/16 15:12:03
|
|
Check for newer version at <a href=
|
|
"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
|
|
|
|
Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
|
|
|
|
Succeeded: s/plous/plus/
|
|
Succeeded: s/Chirs/Chris/
|
|
Succeeded: s/was/as/
|
|
Succeeded: s/buil/build/
|
|
Succeeded: s/Deliverabe/Deliverable/
|
|
Succeeded: s/all/Paul and Massimo at/
|
|
Succeeded: s/jacky?98/.../
|
|
Found Scribe: Raphael
|
|
Inferring ScribeNick: raphael
|
|
Found ScribeNick: mhausenblas
|
|
Found ScribeNick: mhausenblas
|
|
Found ScribeNick: raphael
|
|
ScribeNicks: raphael, mhausenblas
|
|
Present: Giorgos_Stamou Susanne_Boll Sofia Stamatia Chrisa_Tsinsaraki Paola Oscar Eric Tobias Michael Thierry Tomas Ioannis Raphael Jeff Vassilis
|
|
Agenda: <a href=
|
|
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Dec/0014.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Dec/0014.html</a>
|
|
Got date from IRC log name: 8 Dec 2006
|
|
Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html</a>
|
|
People with action items: chris erik jacco michael oscar paola raphael stamatia susanne therry vassilis
|
|
|
|
</pre>[End of <a href=
|
|
"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm">
|
|
scribe.perl</a> diagnostic output]
|
|
</div>
|
|
</body>
|
|
</html>
|