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<h1>MAWG meeting minutes</h1>
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<h2>08 Feb 2011</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Thierry, Pierre-Antione, Courtney, Werner, Wonsuk, Joakim</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Florian, Mari Carmen, Daniel, Jean-Pierre, Felix.</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Thierry</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Joakim</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">definiton of compression/format attributes:</a></li>
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<li><a href="#Publish">Publication of Ontology spec to 2nd Last
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Call</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class="phone"></p>
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<p class="phone"></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> this is pchampin on the phone</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> sound is really bad</p>
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<p class="phone">it's like you speak though a filter</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Any volunteer to scribe?</p>
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<p class="phone">wonsuk pls mute</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2011/01/25-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2011/01/25-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Minutes from 25/01 are approved</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Joakim</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Actions:</cite></p>
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<h3 class="phone"><strong>Open actions:</strong></h3>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Joakim's voice is ok</p>
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<p class="phone">close action-368</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-368 Improve description
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text for ma:compression and ma:format closed</p>
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<h3>Definiton of compression/format attributes:</h3>
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<h3 id="item01"></h3>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="phone">Werner; we have examples of subtitles</p>
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<p class="phone">close action-399</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-399 Change from string to
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string and/or URI in the ontology document closed</p>
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<p class="phone">close action-398</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-398 Send reminder email to
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group to review ontology document closed</p>
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<p class="phone">close action-401</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-401 Implement Felix's
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comment in the spec closed</p>
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<p class="phone">close action-391</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-391 Add subtitles example -
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lc comment 2403 closed</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Thierry:</cite> We are done with the comments for both
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specs</p>
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<p class="phone">we have received comments from Marie-Carmen which has been
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included</p>
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<p class="phone">comments from Werner will be included this afternoon</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Werner:</cite> should we include the DFXP mappings, we
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have the information?</p>
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<p class="phone">OK, Werner will provide the mapping table, and Thierry will
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include it</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Thierry:</cite> Once we have the edits,shall we push the
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ont doc to LC?<br />
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... suggest to give extra 24h hours for people who did not join the group to
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vote for publication</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>PA:</cite> how about the discussion on definiton of
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compression/format attributes</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> joakim: I'm not an expert
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regarding format/compression</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... first part of the track was
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about the possible merging of format and compression.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... As we voted previously on
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having both, we keep them.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... The second part is about
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allowing strings as values or enforce URIs.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> werner: enforcing URIs has the
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advantage of being more precise,</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... but practically, this raises
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problems with underlying formats that don't provide a URI.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... e.g. dublin-core</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... David agrees to that point for
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descriptive metadata,</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... but thinks we can be more
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stricy for technical metadata.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... He is assuming that the API
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would access the actual media resource,</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... and could therefore extract
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the correct URI for compression.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... But we have a use case where
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only an external source for metadata is available.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... We could add in the spec that
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if the media resource is available, a URI must be returned.</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>PA:</cite> if we stick to URI, we must say which URI's
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to use</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Werner:</cite> we could come up with schemes to use,
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but, there will be many</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>PA:</cite> we dont' want to commit to one particualr
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scheme. We should be flexible enough, to map any metadata</p>
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<p class="phone">but, if that precies information exists, it should be
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returned</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> compression (attName="compression",
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attValue="URI" | "String")</p>
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<p class="phone">(attName="compression", attValue="URI#Name")</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> The Dublin Core uses a String</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>PA:</cite> If we make URI mandatory, there will be some
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implementations that doesn't return anything</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... if they lack the information
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to make the URI</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... so enforcing URIs will only
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reduce the amount of info available.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... We should rather *encourage*
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implementers to return a URI whenever they can</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... but *allow* them to return
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only a string.</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> The resolution is:</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> compression (attName="compression",
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attValue="URI" | "String")</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Thierry:</cite> Do we agree to what is in the spec?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer_</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ... anyway, users wanting precise
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information will ignore strings and consider only URIs</p>
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<p class="phone">+1</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Resolution is to leave the spec as
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is with:</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> compression (attName="compression",
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attValue="URI" | "String")</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> RESOLUTION: keep the spec as it
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is, regarding compression: implenters can return either URI or String</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Thierry to send email to the Group
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if people want to object before tomorrow before moving to 2nd LC</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> multiple values are still
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possible, and implementers are *encouraged* to return a URI whenever they
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can.</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Thierry:</cite> add a note to implementers in the API
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spec ?</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Werner:</cite> It's an API issue, it knows if it can
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retrieve the information</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Thierry:</cite> We will have something in the API spec
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to encourage implementers to return a URI</p>
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<p class="phone">Wonsuk!</p>
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<a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> wonsuk for
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compression, implementers are encouraged to return a URI [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-403 - For
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compression, implementers are encouraged to return a URI [on WonSuk Lee - due
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2011-02-15].</p>
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<p></p>
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<h3><a name="Publish" id="Publish">Publish the Ontology for Media Resources
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specification as a 2nd LC</a></h3>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> After incorporation of Werner
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updates and the Timed text mapping table ...</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Does the Group votes to move to 2nd
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last call</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> OK to publish 2nd LC ?</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>tmichel</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="phone">+</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer_</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class="phone"><cite>Resolution:</cite> The group agrees to publish the
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Ontology for Media Resources specification as a 2nd LC.</p>
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<p class="phone">Thierry will finish the editing work today ! Publication
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should happen on thrursday. Thierry will announce it to the group and leave 14
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hours for objections.</p>
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<p></p>
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<p class="phone">Next meeting in California ! Have a nice trip.</p>
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