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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>02 Jun 2010</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2010Jun/0000.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc">IRC
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>+1.617.848.aaaa, +63.59.2.aabb, Janina_Sajka,
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+0797094aacc, Michael_Cooper, +01510931aadd, +0774811aaee,
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+1.781.416.aaff, Gregory_Rosmaita</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>hhalpin</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Dan</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Administrative Work</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Final Report Update</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">State of Social Web update</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Danbri's Head [openid
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developments]</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">michael cooper and others from
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protocols & formats wg on accessibility on social
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web</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">Michael Cooper and others from
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Protocol and Format WG on accessibility and the Social
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Web</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 02 June
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2010</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> on my way</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ??P26 is
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hhalpin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: Dan</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick: DKA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Chair: Harry</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Administrative Work</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to meet
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again Wed. May 9th.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Propose to meet again M9
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May</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Lalana Kagal and
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people from the PrimeLife project</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> talking about
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XACML, AIR, and policy languages in technical detail</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> This is important for
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privacy topic. Distributed privacy.</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1 to meeting again</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACCEPTED: Meeting
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Wed. May 9th</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> final report
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discussion postponed?</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Final Report Update</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Christine brought up that
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we made an error - we need to talk about the final report.
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Let's give this 10-15 minutes.<br />
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... [on today's call]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re openid etc
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update, i don't need v long (there's not a lot to say really,
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beyond it's all very complicated!)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> um, am not on the
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call, is today's meeting about "Distributed privacy."?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> mischa, no today is
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about OpenID, Connect, and accessibility issues</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> thanks hhalpin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> this is what we
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proposed before. Hasn't changed since May 19. Dan A. and I
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spoke about it this morning and we assigned ourselves section.
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My proposal is to attack the last section - on business
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considerations.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Maybe give folks a
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second to look at the various sections</p>
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<p class='phone'>I've volunteered for the Intro initially...
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Have started taking notes here: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Intro-fodder">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Intro-fodder</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> We would like others
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to step up for specific sections.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ah
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thanks</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to write Introduction [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-138
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- Write Introduction [on Daniel Appelquist - due
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2010-06-09].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> State of the social
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web?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> harry, if you want
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to do a skeleton, i can flesh it out</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> We felt it would be
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beneficial to document how people are using the social web
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today - and identity what remains in the highest state of flux
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and what seems to be settling out. Puts the use cases and
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technology material in context.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Since I offered to do
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a 'landscape picture' I would be happy to contribute to section
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II or section IV depending on where people think it fits</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OK, me and
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melvster, I would like to use the Facebook privacy disaster as
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a good launching place...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> so section II is
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what is happening outside of the SWXG</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> it sets the context
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for the rest of the report</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Social web use cases?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> they are not really
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done, but....</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> probably as done as
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they will get</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> First full draft by the
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end of this month or next month... We need a solid thing to
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review in August.</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> tpa and Melvster on part 2 State of
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the Social Web in 2010 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - tpa</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Maybe short stories but
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with some less detail...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> Yes - a summary and
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then point to the wiki page.</p><a name="action03" id=
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"action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> member:tpaanglade and member:Melvster
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on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, bad ACTION
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syntax</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> CTION: tanglade and
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melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010</p>
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<p class='phone'>That leaves the gap analysis -- Mischa you put
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yourself forward for something?</p><a name="action04" id=
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"action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> tpa to work on a summary extract of
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the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - tpa</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade and melvster on part 2 State
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of the Social Web in 2010 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-139
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- And melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [on
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Tim Anglade - due 2010-06-09].</p><a name="action06" id=
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"action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to work on a summary extract
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of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-140
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- Work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases
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for part 3 on wiki pages [on Tim Anglade - due 2010-06-09].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (I'm not going to
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volunteer for anything; I will try to write something and will
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figure out which sections to offer it to once it exists)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> yup, fine</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> action me!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, bad ACTION
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syntax</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> gap analysis is one
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of the most important parts</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I will be happy to
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be co-editor</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> mischa?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> DKA: i am hear, but
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not on the call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> henry story?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I am in airport</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> gap analysis ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>mischat, let's discuss off-line...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> not sure what gap
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analysis is</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> " Need to spend
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most of our time in terms of creating new content"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> (sorry not been
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paying attention)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> mischa - we'll
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e-mail you off line</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> jumble in danbri's
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head</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Danbri to write what he thinks is an
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adequate contribution [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-141
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- Write what he thinks is an adequate contribution [on Dan
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Brickley - due 2010-06-09].</p>
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<h3 id="item03">State of Social Web update</h3>
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<h3 id="item04">Danbri's Head [openid developments]</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> in the last few weeks
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there has been a lot of activity on the openID lists. How this
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breaks down in terms of groups and communities. OpenID was
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created in 2005-2006. It's a non-profit foundation with
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corporate membership.<br />
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... they pushed out a new version of spec 2 years ago - still
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has some issues. We've had some of those details from our guest
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speakers.<br />
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... there is a sibling technology called Oauth which has gone
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into IETF. What's happened with both of these is that they've
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incoporated X.509 certificates.<br />
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... there are a 2 different ideas about where to go next.
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openID next and openID connect - what openID connect does is
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build it on top of Oauth.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ah there are
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foaf+ssl people in the oauth incubator?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> the OpenID connect design
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says "websites are already using Oauth" so why not [leverage]
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this?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> for me</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> not entirely clear what
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should happen next - openID foundation needs to decide to be a
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"broad church" (both approaches) or focus. "connect" folks are
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saying they'll go off and do openid connect whetever.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> danbri you said we
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could help out</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> questions?</p>
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<p class='phone'>I found that very helpful!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is it worth
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bothering, or is it easier to build some simple screen casts on
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using WebId ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> also : a broad momentum
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around WebID from FOAF+SSL work - also a broad feeling that w3c
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is interested in moving into the identity space.<br />
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... it seems like things are finally maturing. Is it possible
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that there could be a connection between oauth and
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openid/oauth? What's the real difference between openid vnext
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and openid connect?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ( for a screencast
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on make and use webid <a href=
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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZPJBpI2Po">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZPJBpI2Po</a>
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)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> one of the problems with
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vnext is that it doesn't really exist yet. There are some
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working groups in openid foundation which have delivered
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something but not moving very fast. People from social networks
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side want it to move faster.<br />
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... if they're going to do (openid connect) anyway - they will
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probably do it in IETF. W3C might be a home as well.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> not my language</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> hope we can keep the
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whole thing positive and friendly.</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1 to positivism</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> maybe we could get a final
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debrief? We should incorporate [the latest thinking] into the
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final report...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> My view is that
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openidId 1. (which I know) is good at covering holes that
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foaf+ssl cannot reach due to browser limitations, but WebId is
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more elegant. So they complement each other</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oh i should also
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mention, there is a User Expeience group being created at
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OpenID Foundation - <a href=
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"http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-user-experience/2010-June/date.html">
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http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-user-experience/2010-June/date.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> that sounds
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interesting to me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> (so it would help
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me understand - especially on the oauth side)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> perhaps they could
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make it v broad, encompass all openid, oauth and ssl-based
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approaches?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> after 2 weeks' time, we
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look at developments on webid, openid v. connect, and oauth.. .
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then focus on report.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> can you run that
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through again?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> we lost Michael?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, though send it
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to me by email if I need to do something, cause I did not quite
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hear all of it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> sounds good to me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ok i think that's
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enough re openid and we have enough re next steps</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> +1 WebId
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especially</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSAL: 3 more
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invited talks after we finish up privacy work (Connect, v.Next,
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and WebID updates)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think we should
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have 5 minutes at beginning of each meeting to go into progress
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on the final report</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> those 3 could be on
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the same call, hhalpin</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to invite for latest
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development talk Connect and WebID and v.Next [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-142
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- Invite for latest development talk Connect and WebID and
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v.Next [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-09].</p>
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<h3 id="item05">michael cooper and others from protocols &
|
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formats wg on accessibility on social web</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Social_Web">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Social_Web</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> maybe Peter StAndre
|
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could come along too again, he is now leading IETF work in that
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area</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> oedipus = Gregory
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J. Rosmaita <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/User:Grosmai">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/User:Grosmai</a>
|
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- been part of W3C/WAI since before WAI was officially launched
|
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to review HTML4/CSS2; blind user of speech output and keyboard
|
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input only</p>
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<h3 id="item06">Michael Cooper and others from Protocol and
|
|
Format WG on accessibility and the Social Web</h3>
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> this one of the areas
|
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where w3c has historically had a lot to offer the web and we
|
|
could have a lot to offer the social web.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> I'm michael cooper -
|
|
staff contact for pf working group. We review other w3c
|
|
technologies for accessibility issues.<br />
|
|
... we're in a situation where we don't exactly know where all
|
|
the issues. We need to find out what each other knows. The more
|
|
we understand what the group is doing the more targeted advice
|
|
we can offer.<br />
|
|
... we also have janina who is chair of pf working group.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Janina:</cite> Already good learning
|
|
experience. Anything that has to do with UI immediately impacts
|
|
accessibility concerns because accessibility.<br />
|
|
... we also put a emphasis on semantic markup.</p>
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> here to listen,
|
|
learn and contribute - working on social networking site
|
|
targetted at blind/visually impaired based on OpenSocial</p>
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>Janina:</cite> more to be said around
|
|
all these topics.</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>Gregory:</cite> I'm here to listen learn
|
|
and contribute - my special interest is I've been working on a
|
|
social networking site targeted at visually impaired and blind
|
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users.</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> dka, do you do
|
|
accessibility on security?</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> q</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> one obvious thing to do
|
|
would be to have wg members run questions about accessibility
|
|
by you... First question I have: if I have a technology - maybe
|
|
not a W3C standard - [e.g. a community standard] - is there a
|
|
single document of guidelines on accessibility that would be
|
|
useful?</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> 2 things social web
|
|
site needs: ability to create WCAG 2.0 compliant content;
|
|
social networking site (as a tool) needs to conform to ATAG
|
|
2.0</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>janina:</cite> don't think there's a
|
|
specific document on the social web - a basic intro would be
|
|
useful.</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20">http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20">http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ( /me finds ancient
|
|
javascript rdf query demo (possibly not very accessible itself)
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/1999/11/11-WWWProposal/atagdemo">http://www.w3.org/1999/11/11-WWWProposal/atagdemo</a>
|
|
... queries authoring tool metadata )</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>janina:</cite> there are two resources
|
|
that are important to know about. W3C is one - and we are it on
|
|
accessibility - meanwhile what is happening in regulatory space
|
|
(US, UK, EU, Japan, Australia...) they are looking at
|
|
accessible technologies when they deploy something on the
|
|
Web.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>janina:</cite> e.g. in section 508.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>janina:</cite> (U.S. regulatory)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MichaelC</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/gettingstarted/">Introduction to
|
|
accessibility</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> That is not maintained
|
|
by the PF wg - intended more for web content authors. Essential
|
|
components of web accessibility could be useful. Describes how
|
|
different tools need to work together.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MichaelC</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components.php">Essential
|
|
components</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MichaelC</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web">How PWD use
|
|
Web</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> on U.S. Section 508
|
|
check <a href=
|
|
"http://access-board.gov/508.htm">http://access-board.gov/508.htm</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MichaelC</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xag">XML Accessibility Guidelines</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> "introduction to how
|
|
people with disabilities use the web" could also be useful.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MichaelC</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/">PFWG home page</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> XML document is a
|
|
little outdated but there is good information on what to do
|
|
when developing a format...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oedipus, did you
|
|
look any deeper into Google's OpenSocial work? (and Apache
|
|
Shindig) - it's pretty .js-heavy...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
|
|
lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> in terms of how to
|
|
communicate with us. We have a mailing list.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>MichaelC</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/">XTech
|
|
list</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> danbri, that's been
|
|
one of the holdups on implementation -- need more ARIA support
|
|
from ATs and UAs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> Another possibility -
|
|
approach PF working group more formally with email to Janina or
|
|
myself.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (feb 2008 msg on
|
|
OpenSocial btw, <a href=
|
|
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Feb/0004.html">
|
|
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Feb/0004.html</a>
|
|
)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> for reference:
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/CAPTCHA_v2">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/CAPTCHA_v2</a>
|
|
(there is NO accessible captcha)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Janina:</cite> there are several ways
|
|
this comes up. On OpenID (and like) there is a wish-list in
|
|
terms of Accessibility. There is a desire to explore "can this
|
|
system communicate preferences on preferred working
|
|
environment?")</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Identity is core to
|
|
the social web, since if you do not know who you are dealing
|
|
with, there can only be 2 agents for the server: me and them.
|
|
To distinguish people you need to knowing who someone is.
|
|
Currently there is this problem, is that browsers do not show
|
|
what identity one has when logged in. It's extremely simple
|
|
thing to fix. Is this something that could be part of
|
|
accessibility? Just wondering if you could check that out.
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://code.google.com/p/">http://code.google.com/p/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Another idea one
|
|
could add foaf ontology to describe disabilities, so that UIs
|
|
could use it.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Janina:</cite> we need to explore
|
|
further.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> bblfish, a FOAF
|
|
ontology to describe not disabilities, but specific combos of
|
|
assistive technology, is something i would like to explore
|
|
further</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> bblfish, problem
|
|
with breakdown by disability is that not all blind users
|
|
know/use braille so a refreshable braille display user has a
|
|
different experience than an audio-only user</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we could articulate
|
|
accessibility gap on current social web standards (e.g. openID)
|
|
in the xg report.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we could do this in the
|
|
gap analysis. Also, I'm not sure what the accessibility state
|
|
of the social web is.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> also part of privacy
|
|
part; ensuring sites treat such info with appropriate
|
|
respect/care</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thanks, oedipus.
|
|
Interesting things to look into</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.accessibletwitter.com">http://www.accessibletwitter.com</a>
|
|
- interesting implementation of Twitter API</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> that would be useful for
|
|
the report.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> bblfish, my eddress
|
|
is oedipus@hicom.net</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> has ARIA had
|
|
take-up in current social web sites?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> which sites are not
|
|
accessible, and how?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> social web sites tend
|
|
to have more complex designs [using ajax, etc..] PF working
|
|
group is working on ARIA to patch that hole. Sites adopting
|
|
ARIA could be an accessibility solution there. Some things
|
|
intrinsic to the social networking aspect.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Any issues with
|
|
uniformity of accessibility across sites?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> one clear
|
|
useability issue is identity :-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> twitter
|
|
accessibility depends upon the client -- native web based
|
|
twitter poor, hence need for AccessibleTwitter or Qwitter
|
|
(<a href=
|
|
"http://www.qwitter-client.net/)">http://www.qwitter-client.net/)</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hmm....have any of
|
|
the distributed social networking software (GNU Social,
|
|
diaspora, etc.) taken accessibility on board?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> in some sites, there is
|
|
a big authoring challenge. If user posts a photo and the site
|
|
doesn't allow/promopt for them to provide alternative text then
|
|
hat content will be inaccessibile.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> +1 to case
|
|
studies</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> a case study of
|
|
facebook would be great</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> there is a GNU
|
|
accessibility pledge: <a href=
|
|
"http://www.gnu.org/accessibility/">http://www.gnu.org/accessibility/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> it might be useful to
|
|
do some joint case studies. In addition, the authoring tool
|
|
accessibility guidelines may provide a good starting point.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> GNU Social is
|
|
moving fast, but haven't been tracking as well as should be -
|
|
anyone tracking it?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>janina:</cite> I like the idea of you
|
|
addressing accessibility in your report.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> GJR will email GNU
|
|
accessibility leader, Chris Hofstadter, to find out how much he
|
|
is involved in GNU Social</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>janina:</cite> as already mentioned, for
|
|
a technology to become ubiquitous and standardized, it's got to
|
|
be accessible.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oedipus, that'd be
|
|
great</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (someone is
|
|
whispering loudly on the call :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Janina:</cite> there is a higher level
|
|
of interaciton on the social web -</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
ask whether members of the W3C accessibility community could
|
|
offer to contribute to the 'open' social network projects (GNU
|
|
Social; Diaspora, StatusNet etc)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> danbri, i will
|
|
carbon-copy emessage to GNU A11y leader to
|
|
public-xg-socialweb@w3.org</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> we could use this as an
|
|
opportunity to make connections between new emerging projects
|
|
in social web and accessibility community in w3c.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> once i close all my
|
|
ARIA action items i'll be focusing specifically on spec review,
|
|
XG review/participation and CSS3 development</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> Recommending people to
|
|
get involved in those projects is something we can do.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Facebook working on
|
|
accessibility: <a href=
|
|
"http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=71852922130">http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=71852922130</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> We're not really sure how
|
|
to thing of these projects - they are part standards, part
|
|
software, ...<br />
|
|
... e.g. gnusocial will build on top of statusnet
|
|
OStatus....<br />
|
|
... it would be good to run something like a workshop at
|
|
x-tech?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> wai-xtech the list,
|
|
not the conf!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> got to go and queue
|
|
up for the 1 mile queue to easyjet plane</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> oh, just the issue
|
|
posted above</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> one of the best ways
|
|
forward might be - 2 paragraphs from PF working group...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> henry? wanna say
|
|
something before jumping on airplane?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Identity is core to
|
|
the social web, since if you do not know who you are dealing
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with, there can only be 2 agents for the server: me and them.
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To distinguish people you need to knowing who someone is.
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Currently there is this problem, is that browsers do not show
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what identity one has when logged in. It's extremely simple
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thing to fix. Is this something that could be part of
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accessibility? Just wondering if you could check that out.
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<a href=
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"http://code.google.com/p/">http://code.google.com/p/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> this is a key
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simple issue to put a recommendation on for browser
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manufacturers</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, it's just a
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bug report</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> that URI is not
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working bblfish</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> but it's
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applicaable to any browsers, I have a bug issue on Firefox
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too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> bblfish, have you
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looked into <a href=
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"http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/04/account-manager-coming-to-firefox/">
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http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/04/account-manager-coming-to-firefox/</a>
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at all?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> MichaelC, you wanted
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to talk about interchange format</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> re: google source
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code project, do you mean <a href=
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"http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-jquery/">http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-jquery/</a>
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?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> I wanted to bring up
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the idea of an interchange format in the social web. There
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might be accessibility issues there -</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> danbri, that bug
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report references an earlier article on that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>MichaelC:</cite> wanted to make sure
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that doesn't fall off the radar.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> but thanks for the
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update</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> got to go...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> I have to go. Will
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catch up with hhalpin about section IV soon.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> we would like 2 paragraphs
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- one paragraph on the problems of existing social networking
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sites - other paragraph: looking at openID, OStatus-
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technologies not in widespread use by people but which could be
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shortly.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Janina:</cite> I think we can do
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something like that.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> say two
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paragraphs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> one focussing on a
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case study of an exisitng</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> site</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> and another on some
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tech that is crucial for distributed tech</p>
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<p class='phone'>I would also like to see an analysis of Oauth
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accessibility - which is currently in wide use.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> thank you for
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having us -- "look" forward to working more directly with
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y'all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Meeting
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adjourned</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> bye! &
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thanks!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> I think I'm
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MCarvalh</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>paul</cite>> I'm on the phone
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still</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 paul</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> facebook connect
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will be replaced with oauth</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> i think identity
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commons had some on their wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 5 years :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oedipus</cite>> <a href=
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"http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=71852922130">http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=71852922130</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> trackbot, end
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meeting</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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what he thinks is an adequate contribution [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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Introduction [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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for latest development talk Connect and WebID and v.Next
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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and member:Melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade and
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melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to work
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on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part
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3 on wiki pages [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tpa and Melvster
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on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tpa to work on a
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summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on
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wiki pages [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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