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<h1>SV_MEETING_TITLE</h1>
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<h2>28 Apr 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Joakim</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Veronique</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> me zakim, ??P14 is
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Felix</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> just send the two
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emails to you</p>
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<p class='phone'>I can try to scribe...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> scribe:
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Veronique</p>
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<p class='phone'>Florian volunteers for scribing at the next
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teleconference</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> scribe for next
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meeting; Florian</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> ok :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>previous meetings approved</p>
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<p class='phone'>zakim [VrijeUni] is me</p>
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<p class='phone'>next teleconf will be May 5th</p>
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<p class='phone'>F2F 4 in Stockholm 25-26 June</p>
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<p class='phone'>Joakim will make a Web application form for
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participating</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ITEM:</cite> open action items</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Thierry not here, still pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>still pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> Linked Open Data
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community are designing an API for feeding back metadata<br />
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... upon query<br />
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... in contact with this group</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> did not send an email,
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but Doug is on the phone</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> going forward, they assume
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that our group will define Use Cases and Requirements<br />
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... have some overlap with theirs<br />
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... best approach is a generic approach<br />
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... there are few hard coded mapping values between
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properties<br />
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... best approach would be a generic API that would return the
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value of a property defined at a generic level<br />
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... problem: might be multiple values given by different format
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at different levels<br />
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... should return an array<br />
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... you have strated on a similar path in this group<br />
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... diffence between intrinsic properties (file size) and
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extrinsic (annotation)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> yes, we have stumbled on
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the same problems<br />
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... arrays of data and intrinsic/extrinsic properties</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> question of where it is
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stored, whether within or outside of the media document<br />
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... what does it refer to, either the whole document or a part
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(one track or one temporal segment)<br />
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... media is segmented via different parameters<br />
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... should retrieve only metadata, not document itself<br />
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... but hard to do</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>shepazu</cite>> spec can be found
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here: <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/">http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> annotation should refer
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to a specific instance of a document<br />
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... you then have to find a way to adress this instance/ part
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of document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> any document contains
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different annotations, related to different pieces of the data,
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authored by different people and tools<br />
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... my thought have changed since the editing of the spec<br />
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... also things not taken into account there<br />
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... listed some properties for which simple access should be
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provided but does not scale well<br />
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... get method might be better approach<br />
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... would define a method "getMetadata" giving the name of the
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metadata<br />
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... that the vocabulary would understand<br />
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... you can use whatever you want from this document</p>
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<p class='phone'>action 94 closed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - 94</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> ACTION-101
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pending</p>
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<p class='phone'>close, ACTION 94</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/102">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/102</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-102 pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/103">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/103</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> action 103 is about
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investigating the set of relationship types to add to our
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list</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-103 pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> for example relations
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between assets can be asserted by a sub property of
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dc:relation</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/104">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/104</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close, ACTION 104</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> it would be nice to refer
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to the latest standard in the spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Felix: which is BCP
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47</p>
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<p class='phone'>BCP 47</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/105">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/105</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-105 pending</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION
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104</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/106">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/106</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close
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ACTION-104</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-104 Provide
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information about language identification, in addition to RFC
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4646 closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> work in progress</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-106 pending</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/107">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/107</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>updates have been published</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Jean-Pierre:</cite> if we integrate
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again all the properties about techinal metadata<br />
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... we come back to the initial list</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION 107</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/108">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/108</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION 108</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/109">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/109</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-109 pending</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION 110</p>
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<p class='phone'>ITEM Status of the UC & Req
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deliverable</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> we have to change the
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media objects to media entities<br />
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... in that document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> publication is just to
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show to other people that we are making progress<br />
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... important to publish even raw material<br />
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... in favor of publishing updates even if the version is not
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stable</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> Felix, did you
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integrate the modifications suggested by Dave Singer?<br />
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... what is there to integrate left?<br />
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... besides the canonical processes Use Case?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> media fragment group is
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talking about media resources</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> maybe we should change
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our terminology</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Doug:</cite> you can publish as often as
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you want</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> I can do the updates
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suggested by Dave Singer by tomorrow</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> in favor of publishing
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without the changes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> I am favour of
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publishing with the changes suggested by David</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> we can also add a subtitle
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specifying that the terminology is still being debated</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> will ask the group for
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objections against the publication of the UC document with the
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updates?</p>
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<p class='phone'>hearing no objections</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> we decide to publish
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it</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: We will
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publish Media Ontology and API Use Cases and
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Requirements</strong></p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> felix to ping doug after use case
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document is updated [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-111
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- Ping doug after use case document is updated [on Felix Sasaki
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- due 2009-05-05].</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to inform Doug when the updates
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are ready [recorded in <a href=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-112
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- Inform Doug when the updates are ready [on Felix Sasaki - due
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2009-05-05].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0065.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0065.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close, ACTION 112</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> are we concentrating now
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on the new list of properties?</p>
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<p class='phone'>s/fusing/focusing/</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> difficult discussion
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about what properties to add<br />
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... rename<br />
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... remove</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> are we keeping working on
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the mapping table?<br />
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... with the new properties in the center?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> the idea is to map the
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vocabularies to the new list</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html">
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http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> so, yes, we'll go on
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working on the mapping table</p>
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<p class='phone'>ITEM Media Ontology document</p>
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<p class='phone'>Wonsuk did the updates in the document</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> which list is pated in
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IRC</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> last part of the document
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will be the mapping table<br />
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... middle part to be edited by Veronique and Victor<br />
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... comments from the group are more than welcome<br />
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... hope to have a revised version for next week</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> our update will be
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ready by the end of the week, I will send it to Wonsuk</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> I would like the final
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version of the mapping table<br />
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... is the latest version the one to be included to the
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document?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> I will do the last
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changes required and send the new version tomorrow</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> I will integrate the new
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version</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> the mappings are not
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correct right now because we changed the semantics of some
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properties<br />
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... do we publish this mapping table or update it before
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publishing?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Wonsuk:</cite> we indeed have to make a
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unique vesrion of the mappings, now challenger's opinion
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included in the table</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> original editor of the
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mapping should revise his/her version and make a final set of
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mappings<br />
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... can people update the mappings before the next
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teleconf?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> looks like it's feasible,
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so let's try to update the table, new version will be sent
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tomorrow</p>
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<p class='phone'>AOB</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to inform
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Doug when the updates are ready [recorded in <a href=
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> felix to ping
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doug after use case document is updated [recorded in <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm">
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scribe.perl</a> version 1.135 (<a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/">CVS log</a>)<br />
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$Date: 2009/04/28 13:02:28 $
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</address>
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<h2>Scribe.perl diagnostic output</h2>[Delete this section
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before finalizing the minutes.]<br />
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<pre>
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.135 of Date: 2009/03/02 03:52:20
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Check for newer version at <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Succeeded: s/fusing /concentrating /
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FAILED: s/fusing/focusing/
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No ScribeNick specified. Guessing ScribeNick: VeroniqueM
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Found Scribe: Veronique
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WARNING: No "Topic:" lines found.
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WARNING: No "Present: ... " found!
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Possibly Present: Doug Doug_Schepers Felix ITEM Jean-Pierre P0 P14 Veronique VeroniqueM VrijeUni Werner Wonsuk aabb aacc aadd aaff aagg chris florian fsasaki joakim pchampin ruben shepazu trackbot wbailer
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You can indicate people for the Present list like this:
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<dbooth> Present: dbooth jonathan mary
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<dbooth> Present+ amy
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WARNING: No meeting title found!
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You should specify the meeting title like this:
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<dbooth> Meeting: Weekly Baking Club Meeting
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Got date from IRC log name: 28 Apr 2009
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items: felix
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WARNING: No "Topic: ..." lines found!
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Resulting HTML may have an empty (invalid) <ol>...</ol>.
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Explanation: "Topic: ..." lines are used to indicate the start of
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new discussion topics or agenda items, such as:
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<dbooth> Topic: Review of Amy's report
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</pre>[End of <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm">
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scribe.perl</a> diagnostic output]
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