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<h1>Social Web XG Meeting</h1>
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<h2>24 Jun 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Lots of people, but Zakim somehow didn't pick them up!</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>peterf, cperey, tp</dd>
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<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">General Organization and Task
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Forces</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Creating User Stories on the
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Wiki</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Invited Guests</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Social Network Matrix</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">Invited Speaker: Kaliya Hamlin</a></li>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Convene SWXG WG
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meeting of 2009-06-24T13:00-15:00Z</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Who volunteered for
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scribing?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Scribe: Cloud</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 17 June 2009 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribenick
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cloud</p>
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<p class='phone'>Minutes from the last meeting, chair asks if
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everyone happy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AndreaP</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to PhilA's
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scribing.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACCEPTED approve
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SWXG WG Weekly -- 17 June 2009 as a true record</p>
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<h3 id="item01"> General Organization and Task Forces</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Invited speaker will join fairly shortly, go
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through some actions in the meantime</p>
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<p class='phone'>There was a discussion about context, and also
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about the portability task</p>
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<p class='phone'>Joe Queen wrote a very nice scoping
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statement</p>
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<p class='phone'>Have first portability task meeting after our
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July 1st meeting next week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> No comments on
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portability?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Any comments from anyone
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on that?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> hope to have
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comments on the mail</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Joe, are you happy to
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have that task force meeting after next week's one?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joe:</cite> Yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: Task
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force meeting next week after the regular telecon</p>
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<h3 id="item02"> User Stories</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> User stories; Tim can't
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make it; Harry asks if anyone would like to help Tim to turn
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the user stories into a more coherent document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I helped out, and
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am interested</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> This tasks involves
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editing the W3C doc, going through stories on the wiki, seeing
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what overlaps, abstract functionality - need volunteers to help
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out - think on this please<br />
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... Deadline is end of the year</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> I can work on it
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during summer.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Fabien?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Good to have one person
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who did it before and one new person</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>FabGandon:</cite> Can work on it during
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July</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to create draft use-case
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document in W3C CVS [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-44
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- Create draft use-case document in W3C CVS [on Harry Halpin -
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due 2009-07-01].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 4. Context</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Moving on to context,
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big discussion that Harry missed due to timing errors - looking
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for summar</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0121.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0121.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>PhilA? Took a look at discussion that took
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place, and wrote an e-mail yesterday about it. Integrated
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comments that came back.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> suggesting a charter for
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the task force<br />
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... aims to create a vocabulary, looking at existing ones for
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the ubiquitous web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i agree look for
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existing vocabularies</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> very close link between
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context and privacy<br />
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... should be link between task forces that look at privacy
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where privacy issues are due to when context is the cause</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> sounds good.
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Starting with a vocab, would help find out what the whole thing
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covers</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> DKA, you were talking
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about a geolocation API too, so may be related</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Ask Lars or Eric or some
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other chair to come and discuss issues with privacy in the
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Geolocation WG</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to invite Dan to W3C Social Web XG
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for context comm call [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-45
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- Invite Dan to W3C Social Web XG for context comm call [on
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Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-07-01].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PhilA:</cite> Will this be part of the
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task force or the main concall?<br />
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... want to have this discussion before August 7th</p>
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<h3 id="item03"> Guest Invitations</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> August 7th - Nathan
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Eagle.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>PhilA2</cite>> :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Skip everything else and
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go to invited speaker</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri to
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find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><a name="action04"
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id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri
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and karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging
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and W3C. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Invited speaker is
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Kaliya Hamlin<br />
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... aka IdentityWoman<br />
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... <a href=
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"http://www.identitywoman.net/">http://www.identitywoman.net/</a></p><a name="action05"
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id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Renato
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and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc">http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc">http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 6. Creating User
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Stories on the Wiki</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> tpa to
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W3C-style "edit" user stories [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p><a name="action07"
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id="action07"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> tinkster
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to document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a
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user story. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><a name="action08"
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id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri
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write up orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p><a name="action09"
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id="action09"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> tinkster
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to document developer stories on wiki. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item04">Social Network Matrix</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpin
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to retrieve top X social networking sites from the top 500
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sites of Alexa [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p><a name="action11"
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id="action11"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> cperey to
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make list of top 30 to do profiles on, to merge with hhalpin's
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list on alexa [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p><a name="action12"
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id="action12"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> karl to
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create the matrix to be filled [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>
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<h3 id="item05">Invited Speaker: Kaliya Hamlin</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Hi everybody! Asks how
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many people here</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> About 20 people</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> there are 22 people
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on irc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Kaliya is from
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Internet Identity Workshop</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> I sent you a lot of
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links, hope you read them, didn't send additional ones with
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history and context of the community</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Which has been a
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quite important community and event in creating notions of
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digital identity, openID.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> history is that Identity
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Commons came together to see how individuals could manage and
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control their own identities<br />
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... so that they could own this layer of the web<br />
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... Community formed in 2004/2005 was really focussed on
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user-centric identity<br />
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... Harry asked me to talk about high level strategies, key
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terms are in the community lexicon which defines shared
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language (e.g. the word identity)<br />
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... community stopped arguing about what identity meant, and
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focussed more on identifiers<br />
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... and came to definitions of what claims where, in that they
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are really just attributes<br />
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... claims can be made by yourself for yourself or by other
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entities (e.g. companies, non-profits) for other people</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> seems the important
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concepts so far: identifier and entity
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(anything that can make a statement about an identifier)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> separation between
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authentication and authorisation, and enrolment</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> entity ~
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foaf:Agent? (just trying to align my own vocabulary...)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I added the Social
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Web XG to <a href=
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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_web">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_web</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> In the same article about
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community, user-centric, company-centric and card?-centric</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> also added foaf+ssl
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to <a href=
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"http://wiki.idcommons.net/Identity_Landscape">http://wiki.idcommons.net/Identity_Landscape</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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user-centric/card-centric/organization-centric</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Infocard</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> references
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informationcards.net</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> <a href=
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"http://informationcard.net/">http://informationcard.net/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Misunderstanding that the
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only org involved is Microsoft, but the open source grassroots
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community has embraced and extended it even further<br />
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... That project is called the "Hidden Project"? Available on
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Adobe Air<br />
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... Interesting journey to get to where we are today</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Venn diagram:
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<a href=
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"http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pd">
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http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pd</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pdf">
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http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> All social networking
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platforms show up at their events; very market driven; "what
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are users tell us are what we will do"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Higgins Project</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> They are working really
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well together to support portability and open
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authentication</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/">http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> PortableContacts for
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standardising the info people have in their networks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> contacts or
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context?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Ready to answer questions
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on what they've read and what they want to know about the
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community</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> We haven't thought about
|
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the notion of identity so far<br />
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... Haven't talked about Information Cards<br />
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... Will be more asking for guidance about the identity
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landscape<br />
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... User versus card versus organisation</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> that is an old model, but
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now we have gotten to the Venn of identity<br />
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... evolution of our thinking is to help SWXG get to where they
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have gotten to, or at least to see how to get there</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Through the link out on
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IRC to the paper Harry has read and suggests other in SWXG do
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too<br />
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... A lot of backgrounds in this group are from portability
|
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from Semantic Web and also mobile phones + social
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networking</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Henry in a cafe<br />
|
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... added to the identity landscape wiki about foaf+ssl
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work<br />
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... using URIs for identity<br />
|
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... interesting to hear how that work can integrate more into
|
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the identity commons</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> has heard about foaf -
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wants to bring more info about it to the Identity Commons
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community</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Is it enough to add to
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the wiki?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Join the community list,
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500-600 people, was the mailing list that got the community
|
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started</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Do we have anyone
|
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on that identity commons mailing-list?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Say hey do you know about
|
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this, we're working on it, and get people to interact with
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you</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Will try that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Perhaps we should
|
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get a liason?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> More formal process</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Asks what this process
|
|
is</p>
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Unique organisation as
|
|
described in charter (non-proscriptive), have a monthly
|
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call</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Might discuss if we
|
|
should have someone join from SWXG</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'><cite>caribou:</cite> Do you have links to the
|
|
ISO work on identity management</p>
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|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Haven't to her
|
|
knowledge</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +q</p>
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Any more questions?</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 27
|
|
WG5 working on an Identity Management framework</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> caribou - should we
|
|
ask ISO to present on what they are up to?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hajons:</cite> In telecommunications,
|
|
have IMF - identity management - connect telecommunications
|
|
network through the internet - has there been participation
|
|
from IMS vendors etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Has been participation
|
|
from European telecommunications vendors<br />
|
|
... Our community is mainly made up of web portal folks and
|
|
large enterprises<br />
|
|
... Y!, Google, MySpace, Facebook, Plaxo, etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> notes that W3C PLING
|
|
has a liaison under way with ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 27 WG5</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> One thing we're trying
|
|
to do is something similar to IC - you pointed out abstract
|
|
functionality, separations that came out of IC -
|
|
authentication, authorisation, validation - where is this
|
|
written up?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Article about cultivating
|
|
community and shared language links to the lexicon; one of the
|
|
first things they did</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Seems that what has
|
|
happened in Internet Identity workshops is that you have
|
|
technology that is filling these functionalities; in W3C
|
|
groups, we are not sure how they all fit together<br />
|
|
... need details of how technology X with functionality Y and
|
|
are thinking of a matrix that could be used in our final report
|
|
to W3C</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> identifier: OpenID
|
|
- an anchor</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> What are we managing?
|
|
Step back and ask why are we managing for people. e.g.
|
|
identifiers, openid gives people an anchor on the web</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> via their own
|
|
domain name or an identity provider</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> either as their own
|
|
domain name or a facebook url<br />
|
|
... another key thing that came out of the community was
|
|
discovery<br />
|
|
... how do you find out what came out of the endpoint?<br />
|
|
... Does it point to where my photos, IMs, etc. are?<br />
|
|
... Kind of spun out into it's own spec and part of XRI tech
|
|
committee at OASIS<br />
|
|
... How can people link their different accounts together
|
|
without giving away their passwords</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> kaliya: XRD =
|
|
discovery, what does an endpoint do, take a phone call,
|
|
etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Data portability / user
|
|
control ideas<br />
|
|
... Hand me a card that allows some claims to be made<br />
|
|
... Different from the physical version<br />
|
|
... In real world, they don't take a photocopy of your driver's
|
|
license<br />
|
|
... In digital world, just want to share some info<br />
|
|
... It's enough to know age, not eye colour - selective
|
|
disclosure<br />
|
|
... MS bough Qidentica who does this selective disclosure<br />
|
|
... Another wing of community is focussed on how individuals
|
|
could have tools that help them manage relationships with
|
|
companies they do business with (productCRM)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://projectvrm.net/">http://projectvrm.net/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Midack? in the UK and
|
|
lots of activity in London around VRM hub<br />
|
|
... Identities never happen in isolation - in context of a
|
|
group or entity or other individuals</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> blackley
|
|
relationship paper</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Great paper by Bob
|
|
Blakley<br />
|
|
... relationship paper</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><a href=
|
|
"http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2009/02/relationship-paper-now-freely-available.html">
|
|
http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2009/02/relationship-paper-now-freely-available.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Great pointers and
|
|
info<br />
|
|
... after telecon we will go through these notes and try to
|
|
extract general points<br />
|
|
... Idea of invited speakers makes more and more
|
|
cross-community conversations<br />
|
|
... Internet Identity Workshop is happening in November in
|
|
California at around the same time as the W3C meeting<br />
|
|
... Asks Kaliya for format of the IIW</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> +1 IIW</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> sounds good.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> and asks if anyone is
|
|
planning to go</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +0.5</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><a href=
|
|
"http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/">http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Twice a year<br />
|
|
... Same place<br />
|
|
... Where all the big Social Web companies are<br />
|
|
... in Silicon valley<br />
|
|
... Don't have an agenda ahead of time, bring communities
|
|
together<br />
|
|
... In the morning after an intro section, community makes the
|
|
agenda</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think I went
|
|
there a year ago</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Different technical
|
|
activities are happening and they want to cover it F2F during
|
|
the meeting<br />
|
|
... So unlike conferences where real work happens in the
|
|
hallways<br />
|
|
... Super productive!<br />
|
|
... Also reduces a lot of the politics, no committee deciding
|
|
who gets to speak<br />
|
|
... November 3-5 <a href=
|
|
"http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/">http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Nov 3-5th.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> have discussed having it
|
|
all week with different industry areas - not fully decided</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Oh yes, I did go
|
|
there last year <a href=
|
|
"http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/3_weeks_of_conferences_and">
|
|
http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/3_weeks_of_conferences_and</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>TPAC = <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Overview.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Overview.html</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Asks it it's okay to
|
|
come for 1-2 days</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Will have a few people
|
|
there financial cuts permitting<br />
|
|
... What would you see is the best way for us to continue
|
|
future interactions apart from joining mailing list<br />
|
|
... Who would Kaliya suggest we talk to next - e.g. Higgins
|
|
project<br />
|
|
... What could W3C do? Report about Social Web in general, but
|
|
a lot of work is happening not with W3C partially because of
|
|
structural issues with W3C - IRC is viewed as a pain,
|
|
membership fees are really high</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Sense in Silicon valley
|
|
that market adoption is what a standard is, so don't care as
|
|
much about standards organisations<br />
|
|
... Community around Open Web Foundation interesting (Messina,
|
|
Smarr); community around OpenSocial is interesting (KevinMarks
|
|
et al.)<br />
|
|
... Chris Messina is working on distributed social networking
|
|
(DiSo)<br />
|
|
... Mentions some names from Higgins Project, missed who as
|
|
audio not great</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> As an XG, main task is
|
|
to write a report. One year to do so (or 3/4 at this point). To
|
|
bootstrap, when we have invited speakers, someone will clean up
|
|
the minutes to summarise it for the report<br />
|
|
... Just so we don't lose track of everything that's
|
|
happened<br />
|
|
... Throw minutes by kaliya for review</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> Is on list</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Asks for volunteers to
|
|
edit minutes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> mhh</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> we could do it</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> one definition of
|
|
identity was mentioned as being particularly good, but I
|
|
couldn't quite hear what it was called (venner??), and didn't
|
|
see it in the script either. What was it?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> one of the challenges is
|
|
that there is so much stuff happening in community and quite
|
|
broad so hard to summarise it</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Henry to do first draft,
|
|
Harry to go over it, and then send to Kaliya</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> have to go
|
|
sorry, a lot of information to digest :) thanks.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Good reading</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Was at IIW a year ago,
|
|
gave a talk about FOAF+SSL at Mountain View</p><a name=
|
|
"action13" id="action13"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish and hhalpin to write up
|
|
kaliya's talk for future report [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-46
|
|
- And hhalpin to write up kaliya's talk for future report [on
|
|
Henry Story - due 2009-07-01].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite>
|
|
community@lists.idcommons.net</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> lots of activity on
|
|
OASIS and concordia lists</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>kaliya:</cite> there is also an interop
|
|
list</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Kaliya to send links to
|
|
listserv, at next meeting can go over the principles</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> I must leave the call
|
|
-- thanks very much to our guest speaker for great info though!
|
|
(And thanks for waking up so early!)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> any final questions, now
|
|
over 1 hour<br />
|
|
... Thanks the invited speaker</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> thanks :-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Meeting
|
|
Adjourned</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> very informative
|
|
kaliya</p>
|
|
</div>
|
|
|
|
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
|
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish and
|
|
hhalpin to write up kaliya's talk for future report [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to invite Dan
|
|
to W3C Social Web XG for context comm call [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to create
|
|
draft use-case document in W3C CVS [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<br />
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to
|
|
make list of top 30 to do profiles on, to merge with hhalpin's
|
|
list on alexa [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and
|
|
karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C.
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
|
|
find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write
|
|
up orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to
|
|
retrieve top X social networking sites from the top 500 sites of
|
|
Alexa [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to
|
|
create the matrix to be filled [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and
|
|
DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded
|
|
in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tinkster to
|
|
document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user
|
|
story. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
|
|
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tinkster to
|
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document developer stories on wiki. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tpa to
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