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<body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
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border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>Media Annotations
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WG</h1><h2>07 Oct 2008</h2><p><a
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href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0017.html">
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Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc">IRC
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log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
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<dl>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Davy, Werner, Felix, Daniel, raphael, Joakim, Thierry, Vassilis, Frank, Hui</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Tobias, Erik</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Daniel</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>wbailer, Werner</dd>
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</div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
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<li>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">approval of previous minutes</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">next scribe</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">future telecon / f2f</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">action items</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">editing</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">open issues</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item07">Use cases to be derived from the thread "Elaborating on the Video
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use case"</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item08">use cases from issues list</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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</ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> Hi Werner, thanks to
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take a minutes today</p><h3 id="item01">approval of previous minutes</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for accepting the minutes</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>Thierry:</cite> self introduction</p><p class="phone">Thierry will be alternate
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staff contact</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thierry is alternate team
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contact for the Media Frag WG too</p><h3 id="item02">next scribe</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>vassilis</cite>> I am connecting now</p><h3 id="item03">future telecon /
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f2f</h3><p class="phone">f2f at tpac: 23-24 Oct</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> it is a wrong copy paste from the Media Frag WG :-)</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> correct dates for this WG is indeed: 23-24/10</p><p
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class="phone">2nd f2f 9-10 dec</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> I take
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responsibility for this ;)</p><p class="phone">next telecon: 14. October, 21:00 UTC</p><p
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class="phone">felix and daniel will make draft of agenda for f2f available until next
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week</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> joint meeting with media fragments?</p><h3
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id="item04">action items</h3><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> possible to attend both
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WGs f2f meetings at tpac</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1 to raphael</p><a
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name="action01" id="action01"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Check WG participant mailing list subscription mechanism to make
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sure that new participants are subscribed automatically [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - Check</p><p class="phone"
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>action-6 continues</p><p class="phone">ACTION-7 done</p><p class="phone">ACTION-9
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done</p><p class="phone">ACTION-10 closed</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>>
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ACTION-10 Will work on 6084 and 6086 closed</p><p class="phone">ACTION-11 closed</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-7</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-11 Create information in wiki about 6067 closed</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-7 Describe mobile aspects to use cases
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closed</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-8</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-8 Put XG use cases into wiki closed</p><p
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class="phone">ACTION-12 closed</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-12
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(placeholder for dave) to elaborate 6066 closed</p><p class="phone">ACTION-13 closed</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-13 (placeholder for dave) to work on 6113
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closed</p><h3 id="item05">editing</h3><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> still looking
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for volunteers</p><p class="irc"><<cite>thierry</cite>> Do we plan to have miulti
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editors, for multi chapters in the spec ?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>thierry</cite>> Or
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just one document with one or multi editors</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> editing
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team for all wg deliverables</p><h3 id="item06">open issues</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> see <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/formats/results"
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>http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/formats/results</a> for results of 6054</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> going through status of open issues</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> open issue 6065 ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> 6065 looks like fitting to Use case "Services by using an
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unified media annotation"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> is it a use case as
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it is ?</p><p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> wrote about video case, could be merged
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into services uc</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1 to Joakim</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> not sure to merge iptv with video use case</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> +1 join with video</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>vassilis</cite>> +1 join with video</p><p class="phone">agreed on merge iptv
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with services use case</p><p class="phone">issue 6083: mm search?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> use case 6083 multimedia search ?</p><p class="phone">it's
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partly covered by 6067</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> 6083 was proposed from
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erik <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0025.html"
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> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0025.html</a></p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> it seems to me that 6083 is one of the basic actions
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- like adaptation and presentation, that will show up in a few use cases</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> we should drop use case 6083 ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>frank</cite>> Would we need to blacks => basic and applied</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> keep general use cases that overlap with more specific
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ones</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> I agree on that</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> but perhaps
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grouping them</p><p class="phone"><cite>vassilis:</cite> important and general, vague, agree
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to keep it</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for felix: these are dimensions
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through you can see the use cases; one dimension is the media (image, video, audio), another
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dimension is the use of the annotation (presentation, adaptation, search)</p><p
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class="phone">6083 will be kept</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> I agree with
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vassilis and raphael</p><p class="phone">6085: keep mm sharing use case?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> 6085 keep or drop ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>frank</cite>> same a s search, I think, so keep it for the tie being</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> same as search, keep it</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> 6112 is done</p><p class="phone">6112: done</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0053.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0053.html</a></p><p
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class="phone">6112: template + call for contributions from outside wg</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>frank</cite>> +1</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> 6126 Machine readable license data (no text)</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> use case or drop it ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Felix: we can prepare the template later, e.g. after the
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first WD</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> I did mention the template from the
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SWD WG: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCFormat"
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>http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCFormat</a></p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite>
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(6112) prepare template for UCs/requirements now?</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite>
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prepare later</p><p class="phone">issue 6126, keep or drop?</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>felix:</cite> detailed definition of license data beyond scope, just slots for
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plugging in license information</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Post on the
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mailing list go in the same direction that what Felix said</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> keep use case 6126. any opinion ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>frank</cite>> If we decide for a slot then we can drop it</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for dropping and agreeing to put a placeholder</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1 to rapahel</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>vassilis</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>hmiao</cite>> +1 to rapahel</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>cgi-irc</cite>> +1</p><p class="phone">issue 6126 will be dropped and we will
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have just a placeholder for machine readable license data</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>daniel:</cite> feel free to contribute to wiki</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>>
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<a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page#Use_Cases__and_Requirements"
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>
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page#Use_Cases__and_Requirements</a></p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Use_Cases_&_Requirements">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Use_Cases_&_Requirements</a></p><p
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class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> updated main page, use cases on separate page</p><h3
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id="item07">Use cases to be derived from the thread "Elaborating on the Video use
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case"</h3><p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> included in services uc or not?</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> looked at Microsoft Interactive Media Manager documents,
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did not find link to ontology</p><p class="phone"><cite>joakim:</cite> has some info
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locally, will post to list</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Joakim, can you
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post the ontology to the list? is it publicly available ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> new use case "Video"</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> new use case "Video" ? any opinion ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>frank</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Like Felix
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said, I made a case for having structured annotations</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> The WG will design an abstract model, but at some point, needs
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to vote for a format for representing this model</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> I would favor RDF</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1 to RDF</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> create new
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use case "video"</p><a name="action02" id="action02"/>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to add text on video uc [recorded in <a
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-14 - Add text on video uc [on Joakim
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Söderberg - due 2008-10-14].</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/t/annotations_about"
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>http://www.youtube.com/t/annotations_about</a></p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite>
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announcement from youtube for annotation support</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite>
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also create uc from mobile?</p><a name="action03" id="action03"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to elaborate on mobile uc [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-15 - Elaborate on mobile uc [on Joakim
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Söderberg - due 2008-10-14].</p><h3 id="item08">use cases from issues list</h3><p
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class="phone">??: service use case - generalise?</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite>
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does a specific uc have effect on ontology or api?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> would it be relevant to separate a list of tasks, that need
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models, and use cases that group different tasks?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> felix: maybe keep in mind when you produce a use case /
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requirement if it has an effect on the ontology or the API</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>daniel:</cite> ALL: add to requirements list</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> thanks all and bye - Daniel</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> thanks werner for scribing</p></div><h2><a
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Check WG participant mailing list subscription mechanism to make sure
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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<strong>[NEW]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to add text on video uc [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br/>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to elaborate on mobile uc [recorded in <a
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br/> <br/> [End of
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