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border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>MAGW</h1><h2>23 Sep
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2008</h2><p><a
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href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0041.html">
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Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-irc">IRC
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log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>tobias, davy, raphael(IRC), felix, Véronique, Daniel, Werner, Hui, Erik, Frank</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Daniel</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Felix</dd>
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</dl>
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</div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">agenda review</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Agenda review / approval of previous minutes</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Selection of scribe for next meeting</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">Call for co-chair</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">Action items</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item07">Editing</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item08">Open issues</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item09">wrap up</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item10">AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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</ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>> agenda: <a
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href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/att-0041/00-part"
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>
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/att-0041/00-part</a></p><h3
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id="item01">agenda review</h3><p class="phone">Daniel reviews the agenda</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>daniel:</cite> no need to go through all open issue, we can go through them briefly
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and continue discussion via mail</p><h3 id="item02">Agenda review / approval of previous
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minutes</h3><p class="phone"><a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p><p class="phone"><strong
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class="resolution">RESOLUTION: minutes approved</strong></p><h3 id="item03">Selection of
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scribe for next meeting</h3><p class="phone">next scribe will be Hui</p><h3 id="item04"
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>Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time</h3><p class="phone"
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><cite>Daniel:</cite> we will have an alternating schedule, see upcoming calls at <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin</a><br/> ... at TPAC, we will have a
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joint meeting with PLING IG<br/> ... in Belgium we will have a joint meeting with media
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fragment WG</p><h3 id="item05">Call for co-chair</h3><p class="phone">no update for
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now</p><h3 id="item06">Action items</h3><p class="phone"><a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p><p class="phone"
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>close ACTION-1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-1 Book the bridge for
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the weekly telecon closed</p><p class="phone">close ACTION-2</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-2 Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors
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closed</p><p class="phone">close ACTION-3</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>>
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ACTION-3 Prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. closed</p><p
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class="phone">close ACTION-4</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-4 Pull
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out requirements of one standard (to be decided which), AI also for Erik closed</p><p
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class="phone">Veronique had sent information on IPTC, and we will not keep this general
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action item</p><h3 id="item07">Editing</h3><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> I
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could also participate in editing, but I have very few experience with this...</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> I can edit later</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite>
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we will be a team</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> every editor will edit each
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deliverable</p><p class="irc"><<cite>hmiao</cite>> i would like to join editing,
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though i've little experience.</p><p class="phone"><a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> Hui and tobias are volunteers for editing team as of
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today</p><h3 id="item08">Open issues</h3><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> There
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is an open questionnaire regarding the formats in scope and out of scope, could we keep it
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open one more week ?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>hmiao</cite>> anyone mension the youtube
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like video yet ?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>hmiao</cite>> it'll be an important format
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for our application</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> propose that we go through the
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issues until next teleconference via mail, and try to wrap them up during that call, and
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work on the editors draft just after that</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>>
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would it make sense to link the use cases with requirements lists more specifically?</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> Raphael, yes, we will open for all of open issue
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until next telecon</p><a name="action01" id="action01"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week [recorded in
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-5 - Extend \"formats ... scope\" for one
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more week [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-30].</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> this might hep us getting a list of requirements?</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> maybe we can make a short list of the use cases,
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just by their names?</p><p class="phone">Use case "Services by using an unified media
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annotation"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>wbailer</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>davy</cite>> yes</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> yes</p><p class="phone">Use case "Video on IPTV" -
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should that be merged into another use case?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> yes</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>davy</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>>
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yes, merge with services</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> yes</p><p class="phone">Requirement "Covering
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variations across locales"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> it's requirements,
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yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> yes, it's maybe related to adaptation use
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case?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> or to interoperability?</p><p
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class="phone">Use case "Audiovisual archive as a Cultural Heritage institution"</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>>
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yes, as mentioned on the list it might be broad and could be more concrete</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>wbailer</cite>> agree</p><p class="phone"><cite>veronique:</cite> well, it
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was more a general view than a specific usecase, but can be splitted into searching and
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interoperability</p><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> agree</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>davy</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>>
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yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> yes</p><p class="phone">Use case "Metadata to help
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promoting safe environments"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> can be
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related to personalisation, to some extent?</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> should
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it be a separate use case? Or</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> agree to relate
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it to other uc</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> be related to something else</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> we could also merge it with the services use
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case...</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> agree to relate it</p><p class="phone"
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>Use case "Multi media and semantic web technologies"</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> This is too broad I guess and not meant as a use case.
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Yes - please drop it</p><p class="phone">drop this since it is too broad?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>davy</cite>> agree</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>>
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agreed</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> agree</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> agree</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> agree</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> agree</p><p class="phone">Use case "Photo" - should
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we take this into account?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Does the charter
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talk only about videos ?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> has this not be
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covered by the XG?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> isn't it related to
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Multimedia Annotation XG ?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> Image
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annotation I mean</p><p class="phone"><a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> No, the role of the XG was not to promote a particular
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schema or ontology for describing media</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> yes,
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but somehow it'orthogonal: media types vs application like searc etc</p><p class="phone"
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>"This Group is chartered to provide a simple ontology to support cross-community data
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integration of information related to media objects on the Web, as well as an API to access
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the information."</p><p class="phone">(from the charter)</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... but rather to investigate how SW technologies help to
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build bridges between exixting formats and standards</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>daniel:</cite> our homepage talks about video, audio and images</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> Video/Audio/Images</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... so my conclusion is, there is still a lot to do to make
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the DC for photos, or videos</p><p class="irc"><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> +1,
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Raphael. Agree.</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p><p class="phone">Use case
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"music" - should we take this into account?</p><p class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> not
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sure</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Same conclusion, the
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pseudo-formalization of the ID3 tags using the Music Ontology is interesting and might be a
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good start up</p><p class="phone"><cite>raphael:</cite> "same conclusion" means: valid use
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case?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> not sure either, lots of very
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specific issues would then be taken into account</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> ok to Raphael</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>wbailer</cite>> but music ontology is quite specific, we should stay on a more
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generic level</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yes, valid use case, I think
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... in the sense that your title property would be likely to be used for a title of a movie
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or a song</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... and a link to the ID3 title is
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a good thing, etc.</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> agree for the music
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ontology, I'm talking about reusing some elements ... and link to some others</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> sounds like a valid use case but on a very general
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level</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> providing means for linking seems to be
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a good idea</p><p class="phone">Use case "News"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>>
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yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> I see the outcome of this group as a core schema, with a lot
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of open windows to standards, with explicit semantics</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> that's a very complex and very interesting use case! Vote
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for yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> News: not in the state that it is
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described in the XG document .. but yes in the general sense</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>wbailer</cite>> yes, i see the same thing as for music: avoid getting too
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specific</p><p class="irc"><<cite>spark3</cite>> yes</p><p class="phone">Use case
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"Tagging"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> in what sense?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> tagging for what ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> as values for a schema?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> or instead of it?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> what it was about: "The tagging use case which tackles
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the problem of interoperability and portability of tagging systems and personal tags."</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> Goal of the XG was to allow reusing a personomy
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between various platforms</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... example: you
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use the same flickr tags on delicious</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> merge
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it with interop?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... you own your tags,
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defined in SKOS, and you can search cross-platform</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> in that case, makes sense</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> if you define them</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> ... each tags has a global URI and is formally defined</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> maybe we will not be able to solve that interoperabiltiy
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problem, only on a very high level of the ontology, and leave the rest to other fora</p><p
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class="phone">Use case "semantic media analysis"</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> too
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general - close that?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> agree</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> agree</p><p class="irc"><<cite>davy</cite>> agree</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> I guess we should take some aspects into
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accout...</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> agree, analysis is done for search,
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adaptation ,...</p><p class="irc"><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> ...like links between
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modalities</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> like semiotic relations between
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speech and image in a video?</p><p class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> how text can support
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the analsys of media. This use case is about references between text and parts of the
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image</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> do you think the relations should be typed and
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part of the ontology?</p><p class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> yes</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>felix:</cite> let's discuss this via mail</p><p class="phone">Use case "algorithm
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representation"</p><p class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> drop</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>> drop</p><p class="phone"><cite>felix:</cite> out of
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scope - drop it?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>davy</cite>> yes</p><p class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> agree to
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drop it</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> yes</p><h3 id="item09">wrap up</h3><p
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class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> please check <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Media+Annotations+WG&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1"
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Media+Annotations+WG&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1</a></p><p
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class="phone"><cite>daniel:</cite> and make discussion on the list</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> is next week telecon changing hour ?</p><p class="phone"
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>yes, see schedule at <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> ok, it has been approved ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> 21 UTC</p><p class="phone">raphael, yes</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>raphael</cite>> ok, thanks, I can make it :-)</p><h3 id="item10">AOB</h3><p
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class="phone"><cite>tobias:</cite> can I participate in TPAC f2f via phone?</p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> yes, we have a bridge for both days</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> any issues today ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>spark3</cite>> Raphael, is that ok for you ? we will adjourn today call</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>raphael</cite>> yes, thanks !</p><p class="phone">many thanks,
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spark3!</p></div><h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week [recorded in <a
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/> <br/> [End of
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minutes]<br/><hr/><address> Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a
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