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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>03 Feb 2010</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-swxg-irc">IRC
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>DKA, +1.510.931.aaaa, anita, [IPcaller], MacTed, Carine,
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melvster, yoshiaki, tpa, +39.011.228.aabb, hhalpin,
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+03120485aacc, rreck, claudio, cperey, pchampin,
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+1.314.683.aadd, alardw, eschnou</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>DKA</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>yoshiaki</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Action Reminders</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Anita Doehler, Eschnou and Alar on
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OneSocialWebAnita Doehler and Daniel Appelquist on
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OneSocialWeb</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 03 February
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2010</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>eschnou</cite>> we are trying to
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call in (eschnou and alardw) but get disconnected..</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> MacTed or
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Yoshi?</p>
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<p class='phone'>I scribe</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Thanks yoshi!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> like...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> hhalpin: saying
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stuff</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> Scribe:
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yoshiaki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> \me when you don't
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want to retype the name, just type ... blah blah</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... more stuff</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 27 January 2010 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> I can try</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> APPROVED: SWXG WG
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Weekly -- 27 January 2010 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>who is speaking now?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 meet again</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> next agenda is
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micropayment.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> APPROVED: meeting
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again Wed. February 10th: Micropayments</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Doug Schepers and
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Manu Sporny</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OK...</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Action Reminders</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we're skipping to
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get straight to talk</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Anita Doehler, Eschnou and Alar on
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OneSocialWebAnita Doehler and Daniel Appelquist on
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OneSocialWeb</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> I am working at mailing
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list and know many kinds of works of social web.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnow:</cite> I quickly explain my
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work.<br />
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... distirbuted social web is work well for everyone.<br />
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... how we look social web is identify openID, acitivity
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streams,,,,<br />
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... realize social web requires identity, security, and
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etc.<br />
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... there's no clear solution and old technologies is not
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enough.<br />
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... all elements of XMPP is related to social profile and
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exchange social activities.<br />
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... we make people in touch with each other</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> <a href=
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"http://onesocialweb.org/docs-protocol.html">http://onesocialweb.org/docs-protocol.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnow:</cite> we wrote source code by
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the end of the March and open it.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> The screenlast link at
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the bottom does not work</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> 404s on Github</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>alardw</cite>> Link to website:
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<a href=
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"http://onesocialweb.org/index-live.html">http://onesocialweb.org/index-live.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGLcEN9hFw0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGLcEN9hFw0</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> screencast</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnow:</cite> screencast is server
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side component<br />
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... one social web service to web client<br />
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... screencast is one instance of server for any social network
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to show timeline.<br />
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... push to all client server<br />
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... i post my activities with one distributed identfier like
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XMPP and other<br />
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... we define in activity streams xml name space and we can
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provide data model and name space.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> do you extend XMPP and
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activity streams/</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> yes. we want to XMPP
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community welcome our extension.<br />
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... we respect each data models, activity streams; compact
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model and others.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> we want to ask use
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case<br />
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... with XMPP and data models you do not need http, smtp.<br />
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... for web application, diffent kind of interection model,
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very interesting<br />
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... question about privacy control</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> you can be public and
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privately update status.<br />
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... you can pinpoint tag people for access control<br />
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... you can control access of everyone.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> there are some
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interesting standards for tags</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> you repeatedly refer
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tag.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> so the tag is the
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way of doing access control - good idea!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I'll get CommonTag
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and TagCommons on a future telecon</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> we develop tagging
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apis</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> tpa, you wanted to
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comment on Privacy filters, Implementation constraints (I can
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wait a while)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> will get Peter on
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the call...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> to deal with tag
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ambiguity</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> i.e. if two
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different people use the same tag for access</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> what kind of protocol
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developpers use?<br />
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... each social application use different protocol</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> there is transport
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protocol, example is activity stereams.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> thanks for
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opensourcing this!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> write xml perser for
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activity streams and java editor.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> interesting to
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compare this with P2P preso by Kalman Graffi <a href=
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"http://is.gd/7CMm">http://is.gd/7CMm</a> at Dagstuhl last
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week, which is also a P2P java based system</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> does that count
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gmail? the 100 million number</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> XMPP activities use
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community's effort.<br />
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... open fire bloging.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> i run an openfire
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server, ill see if i can run this ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> XMPP is easy to build
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implementation.<br />
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... open stack helps us to access other social application's
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data.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> yup</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> sorry should have
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been <a href="http://is.gd/7CMm7">http://is.gd/7CMm7</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>carine:</cite> you mension some access
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control language</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> so: P2P preso by
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Kalman Graffi <a href=
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"http://is.gd/7CMm7">http://is.gd/7CMm7</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> there is XML base access
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control but it is too complex.<br />
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... most of element of protcol is not mature, so we want
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feedback.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>claudio:</cite> question about android
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version</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> we are wainting the
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platform get to be stable.<br />
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... we are intend to create with html and javascript by end of
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march.<br />
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... Android's architecture is different from iPhone.<br />
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... XMPP runs stable on android and use less battery power.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> what's your feeling
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about of future of standard XMPP based?<br />
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... do you found XMPP foundation, or collaborate with W3C?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> most of use case needs
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more extention.<br />
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... google wave shows us XMPP is application.<br />
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... google wave has very simple protocol.<br />
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... XMPP and activity stream change social application.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> access control on
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wave is very difficult</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Eschnou:</cite> but we don't want to
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users type their status.<br />
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... google has not propose security of wave's client<br />
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... server have to no data in servers.<br />
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... google wave is not centralize.<br />
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... all the data together in one server or another. all your
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activities, all your media asset is aggregated in the
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server.<br />
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... you can download source code for server, and use outside of
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the internet.<br />
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... you can keep several server and each server can be used for
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different usage.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Question about P2P
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server?<br />
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... when document exchange, is document duplicated?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> :)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> when requesting
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document, we have layer for document exchange?<br />
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... http or smtp is basic system? and how is semantics?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>eschnou:</cite> semantics is needed in
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application layer.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> XMPP is http P2P
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system?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>eschnou:</cite> there is fantastic
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conversation in public mailing list.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> question: should
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we cross post to the onesocialweb mailing list?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> where is the One
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Social Web mailing list?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> <a href=
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"http://groups.google.com/group/onesocialweb?lnk=srg">http://groups.google.com/group/onesocialweb?lnk=srg</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> one social web
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mailing list</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>melvster:</cite> question about high
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level principle of social web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> So the first part
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was to compare three systems HTTP, XMPP, P2P based mentioned
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above.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> All three have the
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following elements:</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> - a document
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exchange protocol</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> - a syntax (or more
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in the case of HTTP) for exchanging docs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> - semantics
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associated with the docs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>alardw</cite>> thanks everyone
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would there be any further questions please ping us</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ( - and behavior
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associated with message requests )</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> we have to re-schedule
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agenda about micropayment.<br />
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... and other agenda</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> from this an
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intersting point comes up: that at least the semantics between
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XMPP, HTTP, and other systems can be agreed upon</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> thanks for
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presenting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ie, any social
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networking service should be able to interoperate at the
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semantic layer</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='phone'>thank you!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Thanks all!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>eschnou</cite>> thanks everyone for
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the questions and feedback !</p>
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Default Present: DKA, +1.510.931.aaaa, anita, [IPcaller], MacTed, Carine, melvster, yoshiaki, tpa, +39.011.228.aabb, hhalpin, +03120485aacc, rreck, claudio, cperey, pchampin, +1.314.683.aadd, alardw, eschnou
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