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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>MAWG</h1>
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<h2>08 Sep 2009</h2>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>joakim, chris, tobias, wonsuk, raphael, fsasaki, tmichel,
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florian, wbailer</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Daniel</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>fsasaki</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">agenda</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">action items</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">API related questions</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Digital Data Exchange</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> hi thierry!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: fsasaki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> trackbot, start
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teleco</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, raphael, I
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don't understand 'trackbot, start teleco'. Please refer to
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc</a>
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for help</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> trackbot, start
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telecon</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Meeting: Media
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Annotations Working Group Teleconference</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 08 September
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> hello thierry
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joined</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I am not sure
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Daniel can make it to the call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> I can do it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Joakim can you
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Chair on behalf of Daniel ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Thanks for Chairing
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at last minute, Joakim</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> :-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> agenda</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html</a></p>
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<h3 id="item01">agenda</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> chair: joakim</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>last weeks minutes approved</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for accepting
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the minutes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I can scribe it</p>
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<p class='phone'>scribe for next meeting will be raphael</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> raphael to scribe
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next week</p>
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<h3 id="item02">action items</h3>
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<p class='phone'>ai 124 pending</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-134, ACTION-135 pending</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/web/ebu_RoleCodeCS_p.xml.htm">http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/web/ebu_RoleCodeCS_p.xml.htm</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-136 . Joakim looked at tvanytime
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document, seems to be useful. Question: can we use it?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> we should just reference
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the document<br />
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... question: are the subtypes normative or just a recommended
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list?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Which type of list
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we are talking about ? the genre ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> EBU-list is quite
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comprehensive, people could use just a subset of these</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> roles</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> is TV Anytime
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defining these roles as MPEG-7 CS as in the old time ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> keep ACTION-136 open for
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now</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-147</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> raphael, ebu has
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these lists also as skos now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ACTION-147?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-147 --
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Thierry Michel to check status of Web IDL for web api's -- due
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2009-07-03 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/147">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/147</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> sent a message to doug
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from webapp WG</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> wow, great move for
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EBU :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> webIDL is just a working
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draft so far, they need us and other working groups who use
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it<br />
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... doug says currently webIDL is used by HTML5, plan is to use
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it also for DOM3 events<br />
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... summary: status is still unclear, but it is being
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used<br />
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... webIDL provides ecmascript and javascript bindings and it
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is easier to user than IDL. My conclusion is that we should
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investigate into that spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> only drawback is that
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web IDL is not fully stable yet</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> isnt't that a
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chicken-egg problem?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> I could check how much
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HTML5 is using web IDL</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> who knows web IDL or IDL
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?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> I don't know web IDL, it
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could be a problem for preparing the API draft</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> Victor has come up
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with an IDL version of the API some weeks ago</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> I don't have
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knowledge about WebIDL either.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> yes he should be
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familiar with it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> I don't have
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knowledge on it but plan to go through the spec</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> WebIDL: <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/">http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> i can also look
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into it and help specifying</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> two or three people
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should look into web IDL before we decide about using it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> victor has a good
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knowledge about IDL</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>thierry:</cite> yes, victor should be in
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this task group</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to look into web idl with
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victor and others [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-152
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- Look into web idl with victor and others [on Thierry Michel -
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due 2009-09-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-148</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> big issue is that we have
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to decide what kind of API is better<br />
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... the related issues are on our agenda, want to discuss about
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them later</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> I think style a), very
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simple, is an advantage</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> would like to know other
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people thinking who were not at the f2f</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> we need to have a
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decision on this soon</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>chris:</cite> not clear to everybody
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what the API is that we have in mind</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1 @ chris</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>chris:</cite> the strawman API on the
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wiki is a bit fuzzy<br />
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... maybe we can come up with a first version of the API
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document and see what the other people think of it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I would support
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Chris/Florian proposal for the API document, see <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> so we need it more
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concrete before making a decision</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>chris:</cite> yes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> also Tobias and
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Vero made comments to the document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I thought Victor
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worked on that? Should we ask him on the list what is the
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status of his work?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>florian:</cite> victor plans more work
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on API document. Maybe he could give us some clues about in
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which direction we should go</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> propose that we prepare
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the API document and also contact victor, in parallel</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> yes, we don't have too
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much time, so good to continue working<br />
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... need somebody to push the API document forward</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> I will contact victor, I
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am working with him in the MPEG WG too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Chris also
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volunteered in his email to contribute: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>chris</cite>> and I shall</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> :-)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>florian</cite>> +1 :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>>
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get-mawg-unstructured-value</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>joakim</cite>> or
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get-mawg-Creator</p>
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<p class='phone'>wonsuk describing different feedback about his
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proposals for API structure. not sure how to move forward, we
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need a decision which way to go</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> want to know vote of
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people on the call: what do they want?<br />
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... prepare the abstract description of the API and make the
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concrete proposal later<br />
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... is that right?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> problem is that people
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are not quite sure about what we are taking a decision: a
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function for each property or not</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I suggest to put
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himself in the body of the developer using MAWG API</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> ...
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get-mawg-Creator (or a function for any annotation property) is
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useful, I can't see the use case for a
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get-mawg-unstructured-value function</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> API should be just
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useful for a common developer<br />
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... for each function we should wonder how it would be useful
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for the developer<br />
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... any function which is related to an annotation property in
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the ontology seems to be useful</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> an API with names of
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functions which are directly related to properties in the
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ontology are easy to understand, abstraction might be more
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difficult for finding out which property is meant</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> exactly</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> wonsuk, could you
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continue the work with the output of this discussion<br />
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... wonsuk, could you try to formulate an API definition for
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the draft</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>wonsuk:</cite> yes</p>
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<h3 id="item03">API related questions</h3>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Aug/0000.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Aug/0000.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>felix:</cite> happy with the discussion
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today, now waiting for how the draft from wonsuk will look.
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language tag issue will come up later</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thanks for the 3
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reviews received from Felix, Werner, and Veronique</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> many thanks for the
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comments, the media fragments WG will discuss the comments
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tomorrow<br />
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... the document has been split into use case part and the core
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specification<br />
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... the later will be a Recommendation.<br />
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... thanks for the comments again, we will provide answers
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soon</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-152</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-152 Look
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into web idl with victor and others closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-150</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-150 Review
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the Media Fragments WD closed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0006.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0006.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-151</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> wrote some comments, any
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feedback?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I guess ACTION-152
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should not have been closed right ?</p><a name="action02" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to look into comments from
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werner on PFWG review [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-153
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- Look into comments from werner on PFWG review [on Joakim
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Söderberg - due 2009-09-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>werner:</cite> the work seems to be
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around music<br />
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... maybe dave could give a comment about whether it makes
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sense to have a liaison</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 to ask the
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relationship with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc</p><a name=
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"action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to ask dave about the
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relationship of digital data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3,
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iTunesXML, etc [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-154
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- Ask dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with
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Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc [on Joakim Söderberg - due
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2009-09-15].</p>
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<p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to ask
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dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple
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stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joakim to look
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into comments from werner on PFWG review [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> thierry to look
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into web idl with victor and others [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a href=
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scribe.perl</a> version 1.135 (<a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/">CVS log</a>)<br />
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$Date: 2009/09/08 12:51:50 $
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.135 of Date: 2009/03/02 03:52:20
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Check for newer version at <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Succeeded: s/us it/use it/
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Succeeded: s/ACTION-147//
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Found Scribe: fsasaki
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Inferring ScribeNick: fsasaki
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Present: joakim chris tobias wonsuk raphael fsasaki tmichel florian wbailer
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Agenda: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html</a>
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Found Date: 08 Sep 2009
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items: joakim thierry
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