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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>15 Jul 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0014.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Jack, Rapha�l</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>erik</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>davy, mhausenblas</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. UC & REQUIREMENTS</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. SPECIFICATION</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">5. ISSUES</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">6. IMPLEMENTATION</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 15 July
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> scribenick: davy</p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Accept minutes on <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html?">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html?</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> minutes accepted</p>
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<h3 id="item02">2. UC & REQUIREMENTS</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> actions still ongoing<br />
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... Rapha�l promised to do A-65 today</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> can someone else do
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this action?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> if Rapha�l is overloaded,
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we would be happy to support him<br />
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... we will ask him next time he's around<br />
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... other actions: waiting for feedback</p>
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<h3 id="item03">3. SPECIFICATION</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> Yves, status A-49?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> wait for the HTTP
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meeting<br />
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... it should be quite easy to draft this syntax</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> anything in HTTP bis
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specs that affect our group?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I see us as a consumer of
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the HTTP specs<br />
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... but we need to ensure that what we use is well defined</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> explaining the edit units
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mail</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-84</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-84
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Summarize the info from Jean Pierre, and mail it to the group
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closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> regarding A-86, should we
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bring the comma optional?<br />
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... we can do a vote?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> optional +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> is anybody
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against?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> optional +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> looking back into the
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last acceoted minutes, we had silvia stating it as option and 3
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additional votes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Previous:
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2009-06-24 <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> This was <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a></p><a name="action01"
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id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to verify that making the comma
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optional brings no ambiguities in our syntax [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-88
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- Verify that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities
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in our syntax [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-07-22].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_Examples">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_Examples</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> regarding A-63 ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>conrad:</cite> explaining the examples
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on the wiki page</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> any comments?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> did you changed the
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examples according to my comments?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>conrad:</cite> yes, i did</p>
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<p class='phone'>close action-63</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-63 Update
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the Wiki with his more general approach with precisely the same
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examples closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>close action-80</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-80 Provide
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some rational and use cases for his proposal closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>conrad:</cite> A-69 is still ongoing</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Semantics">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Semantics</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> A-64 is only
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possible after splitting the document (cfr. A-65)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> A-87 is ongoing</p>
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<h3 id="item04">5. ISSUES</h3>
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<p class='phone'>close action-76</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-76 Contact
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the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their
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scheme closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> not clear yet if MPEG
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fragment identifiers are registered</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> I'm looking at
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<a href=
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"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>section 4.11</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: really
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two issues here</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to find out more about fragment
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identifier registration [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-89
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- Find out more about fragment identifier registration [on Yves
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Lafon - due 2009-07-22].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: one is
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re the SHOULD re frags in sec 4.11 of RFC4288</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> status on a-62?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> sent a mail to TAG, but no
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feedback yet</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: other
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is re registered image/*, video/* and audio/* - to me the
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answer here is: no, MPEG21 only has registered application/mp21
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and hence we there is no clash</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mhausenblas:</cite> A-82 is still
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ongoing<br />
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... this depends on reviewing and discussing the test cases</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> resolutions for i-4 and
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i-10?<br />
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... no resolution yet on i-4, to be discussed further</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael: re
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issue 10 the answer is easy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009May/0038.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009May/0038.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> We may need an action
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to resolve ISSUE-4.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> We should find what
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action ( or maybe a vote) is required at any next teleconf when
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Silvia is present</p>
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<h3 id="item05">6. IMPLEMENTATION</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> status?<br />
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... first work further on syntax and test cases?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Yves has looked at
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libraries in Java</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Jack ( I think ) has
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looked at libraries in Python</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> looking for media slicing
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tools is part of the work, but do not depend on the
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syntax<br />
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... so we can start working on this kind of things<br />
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... not found a suitable non-transcoding media slicing tool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Yves asks for help for
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implementation : how to slice the media without transcoding</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> scribenick:
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mhausenblas</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
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davy</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> davy to provide a pointer to Yves to a
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lib he can use to slice media files [recorded in <a href=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-90
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- Provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to slice media
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files [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2009-07-22].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> scribenick:
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mhausenblas</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Previous:</cite> 2009-06-24 <a href=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
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davy</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Gui to look at the python gst lib
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[recorded in <a href=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - Gui</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> python-gst
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(gstreamer)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>erik:</cite> aob?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Gui:</cite> do we need an action about
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writing papers</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Should an action be
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created on co-authoring and publishing papers in order to
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remind/coordinate the efforts?</p><a name="action05" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Guillaume to look at the python gst
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lib [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-91
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- Look at the python gst lib [on Guillaume (Jean-Louis) Olivrin
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- due 2009-07-22].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> thanks</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> davy to provide a
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pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to slice media files
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Gui to look at
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the python gst lib [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Guillaume to look
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at the python gst lib [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to find out
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more about fragment identifier registration [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to verify
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that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our
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syntax [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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Regrets: Jack Rapha�l
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Found Date: 15 Jul 2009
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People with action items: davy gui guillaume yves
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