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<h1>SWXG Weekly Telecon</h1>
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<h2>17 Jun 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0127.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-irc">IRC
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log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>+1.314.683.aaaa, DKA, pchampin, tpa, Phil_Archer,
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tinkster, +1.510.931.aacc, oshani, AlexKorth, +4222aadd,
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cperey, +03491549aaee, jsalvachua, +0797094aaff, claudiov,
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+46.1.08.01.aagg, Carine, MacTed, FabGandon, karl, danbri,
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hhalpin</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dt>Chairs</dt>
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<dd>Dan Appelquist, Dan Brickley & Harry Halpin (yes, all 3)</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>PhilA</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Discussion on Context</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">General Organization and Task
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Forces</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Invited Guests</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Creating User Stories on the
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Wiki</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">Social Network Matrix</a></li>
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</li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<div class="meeting">
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i didnt see my self
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join when i called in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> where are the calling
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in messages?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hello</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> danbri has sent
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regrets and neither of our other chairs seem to have turned up
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yet.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i saw harry online
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earlier</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> its a he</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> +yuk</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: PhilA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribeNick:PhilA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> pchampin, indeed
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:)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> yup, still not
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working</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Context:</cite> DKA in an airport
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lounge, Harry should be joining soon</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Discussion on Context</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Wasnt to jump staright in to
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the discussion on context<br />
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... Claudio - you and I have been most vociferous on this
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topic<br />
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... so can we kick off this privacy nad context TF<br />
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... so are you able to take a leadership role?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> In principle it would be
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nice<br />
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... but like everyone, I have several engagements<br />
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... but it's difficult to understand how the TF relates to the
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rest of the group. If Telecom Italia has some goals that it
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thinks are crucial?<br />
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... I need to process my first proposal and see what the
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discussion leads to</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> You've fallen into my trap
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:-)<br />
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... Can you take your original proposal; and subsequent
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discussion and formulate that as a TF charter?<br />
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... The XG needs to agree on the context charter so that the
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TF's work can be defined</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> Again, nothing against
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creating that document but it would be useful to get some more
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comments<br />
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... I want to be usre that we're progressing in a way that
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makes sense<br />
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... (to the group)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> also there is the
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question of whether the Task Force will cover privacy</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> is it in scope to
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specify APIs for instance? Are we to create a vocabulary? Is it
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reasonable to achive those goals?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> perhaps we need
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examples of contexts, use cases make sense</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Can you point us to an
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initial e-mail and thtead?<br />
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... I think the group needs a summary to look at</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Current
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deliverables <<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_TF#Deliverables%3E">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_TF#Deliverables></a>
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look good and achievable to me.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Cl;audio: There's a pointer on the scoail web
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wiki page</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> is this is a Task
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Force for Context + Privacy? or is there Task Force for Context
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and another Task Force for Privacy/Security</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> the link says sometehing
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like "this is an initial scope that the TF might do"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Claudio's scoping
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message - <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0020.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0020.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> SO my initial feedback would
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be that the soecification of APIs is probably out of scope but
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a selection of existing APIs would be in scope</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> what is context? It
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seems incredibly general.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> bblfish+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> bblfish+1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> So that fits in with the
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ethos of an XG - not to develop new technologies - more how to
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use exsting tech</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is it just another
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way to speak about named graphs?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> But I definitely agree that
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a catalogue of different social contexts is useful<br />
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... a vocab and privacy model would then flow from that<br />
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... I just have a problem with the spec of an API</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> The only info I have on
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this is the term context. It may be huge and include a lot of
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things<br />
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... then it's really related to some concept of an activity
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that a user may be performing at a given time</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> context is
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abstract, specialisations need to be defined</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> this is like an extended
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version of the presence info</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> bblfish, my
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definition of context is up-to-the-minute profile info - i.e.,
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not foaf:based_near, but where is the person right now; what
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devices are they currently using; are they asleep, so not to be
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disturbed; what music are they listening to...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> I can give more info
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about my context that might be useful to people I'm connected
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to</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ah ok. Don't call
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me, I am asleep.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> context could also
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include "I'm in a call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> There was an
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ontology for what I am doing now</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> the user may be working,
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playing, travelling etc.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> so context
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embodies the current status also</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> we have a few use cases
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that may point to exploitation possibilitie4s<br />
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... maybe something like 50% of your friends on a train, one
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walking, one shopping etc<br />
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... these fit in with our definition of the term 'context'</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> totally useful
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but for me subdomain of privacy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ok, yes, makes
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sense</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> it would be easy to
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build a vocab like that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Thanks for that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> Really good
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explanation of context</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> vocab could be
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similar to activitystrea.ms</p>
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<p class='phone'>[ASIDE]: Discussion of who will chair now that
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DKA has to board a plane. Dan Bri takes over...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> chair:
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Dan_Appelquist</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> chair:
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Dan_Brickley</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i define context
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based on groundings</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> in time and space</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ok I have it
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<a href=
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"http://crschmidt.net/foaf/menow/">http://crschmidt.net/foaf/menow/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> can someone make an
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attempt at writing down what daniela said?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> should the
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definition include a social element?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Claudio:</cite> Having heard DKA's
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summary I think yes, that's good. I think we're close to a
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definition of context</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> the definition of
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context is very prgamatic.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Danbri:</cite> I'm afraid I can in half
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way through<br />
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... my instinct is to get started withthe work as we atre an XG
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not a WG</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We can't keep messing around
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talking about what we're going to talk about</p>
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<p class='phone'>??: Even if defining an API is out of scope, I
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guess it's not out of scope to recommend that someone
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should?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> here is another
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ontology: <a href=
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"http://www.milanstankovic.org/opo/ontology.html">http://www.milanstankovic.org/opo/ontology.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> Håkan = hajons</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Surely we should be working
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out where the gaps are and who should fill them</p>
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<p class='phone'>ack</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> that is the "Online
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Presence Ontology"</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to work with Claudio on taking
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the context discussion to a proposal [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - PhilA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> We skipped item 1
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and have done item 2 now.</p><a name="action02" id=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong>Phil_Archer to work with Clausio to
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take context discussion to a TF proposal [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> Zakime, take up agendum
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3</p>
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<h3 id="item02">General Organization and Task Forces</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DanBri:</cite> Just sorting out who is a
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TF leader</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> 3. Task Forces</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> + Do we have
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confirmed leaders for Context and Privacy Task</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> Force (Karl
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Dubost)?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> is that 1 or 2,
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...etc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (who said "hi"?)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think that Claudio and
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PhilA need to put toegther a more fleshed out TF goal in the
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wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> daniela: claudio and
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phil will work on a fleshed-out scope in wiki, then if
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Claudio's happy with goals he is happy to be named on tf
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leader</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> that doen, he, Claudio,
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might then be TF leader</p><br />
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.,.. the though thing is getting consensus on the TF scope
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<p class='phone'><cite>DanBri:</cite> did we have a leader on
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protability?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PeteFern:</cite> I think I was up for
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that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> For Portability and
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Architectures Task Force (@@)?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> trackbot, comment
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ACTION-35 seny a message to Evan about joining the July 1st
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call. No answer yet. Will followup in 2 days in no answer.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-35 Follow
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up with Evan, see if July 1st date to talk about microblogging
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works. notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> via harry's last
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email : Context Ontology : <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-dcontology-20090616/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-dcontology-20090616/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>??: I was trying to update the wiki for
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portability and architecture</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> OK, Pete + ??
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(missed name)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> is the wiki update going
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OK? Is it working?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> joachim
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salvachua</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> "Has Joaquin found
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scoping to be better for</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> portability? Can we
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have two leaders per task force? Do we</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> have critical mass,
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and if so, can we get telecon times for</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> them?"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> I don't know if we have
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critical mass for this</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (can someone post
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wiki pointer?)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> we are trying to
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organise a call</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> or an IRC meeting?<br />
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... we can discuss the differnet tasks and see how we can
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organise portabuility and architecture</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> so could you take an
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actionm to do that?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joachim:</cite> yes</p><a name=
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"action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Joachim to organise a meeting to
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discuss the scope of the portability and architecture TF
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - Joachim</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> trackbot, help</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> See <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc">http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc</a>
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for help</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> trackbot,
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status</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> jsalvachua to organise meeteing to
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discuss scope of portability and architecture TF [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - jsalvachua</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> user is
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joaquin</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to organise meeteing to
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discuss scope of portability and architecture TF [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-40
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- Organise meeteing to discuss scope of portability and
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architecture TF [on joaquin Salvachua - due 2009-06-24].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Dan A where are we up to
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wrt invited guests?</p>
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<h3 id="item03">Invited Guests</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I think we need more
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inter-chair coordination</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Do we need a
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chairing list like the scribes list?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> my whole last week has been
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taken up with W3C working group meetings and strange Greek
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visitors<br />
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... Informally, the invited guests I've had most feedback on is
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this guy, Evan from the microblogging community</p><a name=
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"action06" id="action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri invite Evan P. of identi.ca to
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a call [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'>danbri to line up Evan as guest
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speaker</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to line up Evan as guest
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speaker [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-41
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- Line up Evan as guest speaker [on Dan Brickley - due
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2009-06-24].</p>
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<p class='phone'>??: I had an action item to work with Harry to
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invite Nathan Eagle as a guest speaker</p>
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<h3 id="item04">Creating User Stories on the Wiki</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> cool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I added a few 1-5
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user stories</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Would like some
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feedback</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hajons</cite>> ?? = hajons =
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Håkan</p>
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<p class='phone'>There's some stuff about take down on the
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wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> close 2x danbri
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actions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> danbri, :) action-41
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and action-35 are the same no?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> continue oshani</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Oshani:</cite> Hi, yes, I didn't write
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it formally but I will do</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (similar, karl.
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similar ;)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Oshani:</cite> so you want me to write
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it based on the current template?<br />
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... (the one Karl sent out)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> That would be ideal but
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we're not fussy</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> phil "i have a
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couple ... need to check not already done ... can add in next
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48 hours...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> "things around
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safety, people for whom their online id is their real id
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...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> "also people
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avoiding certain harmful ppl</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> More user stories:
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danbri, maybe your provenance of microblogs question could be
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added - tracing back forwarded messages.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> interesting
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interpretation of online existence</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Harry brought up the Iram
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situation - can that ne a uc?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> I wanted to talk a little
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about cleaning up some of the ones already there</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> tinkster, care to
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attempt that writeup?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> yes, sure.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thx. can you action
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yourself?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> I'm about to throw a third
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template into the system. What are the plans for the user
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stories?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> ACTION Toby to
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document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user
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story.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-42
|
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- Document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user
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story. [on Toby Inkster - due 2009-06-24].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> is it going to be a running
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thing? Will it be locked at some point? What is the expected
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use of the edited version?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think we add
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stories during the life of the XG, but as we go on they will
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settle</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> The primary deliverable
|
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from this group is the report. That said, the repository of use
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cases is going to be useul for everyone to see what tech needs
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to address</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>karL:</cite> I think the user stories
|
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can be used when we're writing the formal spec - use them to
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define what we want to write about</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> karl, you wanted to
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talk about the user stories</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I'm going to try nad
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converge the different things into one<br />
|
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... I don't expect too much of a change from what Karl's
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template did</p>
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<p class='phone'>scribe notes that I think the previous 'tpa'
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accreditation was probably wrong</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> I've already seen some
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repitition. I've recommended that we use character names with
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first names from the alphabet<br />
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... I think if I create different characters, that might
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generate new cases.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Endorse the point about
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covering people from differnet backgrounds</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> +1 good idea with
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multiple backgrounds</p><a name="action08" id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write up orkut/i18n/"looking
|
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for" issue [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-43
|
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- Write up orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue [on Dan Brickley -
|
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due 2009-06-24].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Good cast of
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characters to start with: <a href=
|
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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>TIm:</cite> What would be nice would be
|
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that any story arriving after next week did so using the
|
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template</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> cf <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/WAI/redesign/personas">http://www.w3.org/WAI/redesign/personas</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> do you need a new action
|
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item for this?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> no</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Harry, you're here?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> hhalpin, will you
|
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join us?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>oshani:</cite> I'm confused about the
|
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final deliverable of the privacy TF?<br />
|
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... I'd like it to be more specific<br />
|
|
... I've not seen any e-mails on this. What is the privacy
|
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landscape? (please;-) )</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think it is just
|
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some idea of what kinds of privacy solutions are out there</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> landscape is one of those
|
|
words that means please describe everything? �!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> Like Oshani, I'm worried
|
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that the scope is not clear<br />
|
|
... it's why I was trying to make sure that the user stories
|
|
would define a tighter scope<br />
|
|
... maybe I could discuss this with Oshani by mail</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> macted must be
|
|
noisy?</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (it was karl i
|
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think)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>oshani:</cite> from my POV, context is
|
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as aspect of privacy so moving it out makes it difficult for
|
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me</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> is this something that we
|
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can solve by redirection?<br />
|
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... we look at XMPP< microformats, open social etc/.</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> oshani: context
|
|
subtask of privacy +1. on the other hand it makes sence to chop
|
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tasks down to subtasks</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> they'll say different
|
|
things and it might give us a first pass on how they all cover
|
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this</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> stuff like SOAP has
|
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privacy too or something</p>
|
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> what is privacy in
|
|
real life?</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item05">Social Network Matrix</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> some fix topic!!</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think we have
|
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achieved the first level goal</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> generated in
|
|
multiple ways</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> How I was envisioning the
|
|
social matrix was a list of X sites, ideally geographically
|
|
dispersed with some view on usage</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> how they implemented context,
|
|
privacy and portability</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> the paper sent to
|
|
the mailing list this week was very helpful</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> the one of sören
|
|
preibusch, yes!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> Once the use case doc has
|
|
some functionality like single log in, multiple groups,
|
|
multiple privacy, dynamic context, then we can go through these
|
|
different sites and see how they match up</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> the paper sent was
|
|
very helpful, but doesn't cover mobile social networks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> I was going to suggest we
|
|
asked Sorin or his co-author to discuss at the next telecon how
|
|
they would take their data and merge it into our
|
|
deliverable</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Social Network
|
|
matrix</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> paper pointer:
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://preibusch.de/publications/social_networks/privacy_jungle_dataset.htm">
|
|
http://preibusch.de/publications/social_networks/privacy_jungle_dataset.htm</a></p>
|
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> the overview deliverable will
|
|
be on future direction of W3C</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> tpa, i wanted to
|
|
grab harry while he was there re 6. but sorry should've wrapped
|
|
up User Stories first</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> but a technical deliverable
|
|
would list some of the details</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> sounds good +1</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> I'm just proposing that Sorin
|
|
and I exchange matrices and look over each other's</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is mobile social
|
|
netowrks, social networks on mobile devices ?</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (re 6, ... continue
|
|
all actions)</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'>These are large actions - Karl making a matrix
|
|
is a big job</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agreed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> continued</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>HH:</cite> And there's a lot for me and
|
|
Christine to do - they ain't going to be done by next week</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> No I'm good</p>
|
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> tpa? anything more
|
|
re user stories?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> any more to say onuser
|
|
stories?<br />
|
|
... we should begin to wrap up</p>
|
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|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> mobile social
|
|
networks = social networks which are by-design for mobile
|
|
device users</p>
|
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> mobile
|
|
context-related privacy can only be covered be investigating
|
|
mobile SNS</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>propsed resolution: accept <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html</a>
|
|
as last week's minutes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>proposed resolution: accept <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html</a>
|
|
as last week's minutes</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> sure</p>
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|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> maybe do that on
|
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mailing list</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> hhalpin, yes</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Quick question -
|
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should we have Soren's Preibusch.</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 's paper to
|
|
discuss?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I'm happy to
|
|
accept last week's minutes.</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> hhalpin, good
|
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idea</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I think Evan said
|
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he was available on July 1st?</p>
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>resolution:</cite> accept <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html</a>
|
|
as last week's minutes</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> +1</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> meeting adjourned</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
|
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri invite
|
|
Evan P. of identi.ca to a call [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write up
|
|
orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to
|
|
organise meeteing to discuss scope of portability and
|
|
architecture TF [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/17-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to work
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[recorded in <a href=
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