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<h1>SWXG XG Weekly Meeting for 2009-06-10</h1>
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<h2>10 Jun 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc">IRC
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>tpa, jsalvachua,yuk, DKA, tinkster, rreck,
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Carine, Cloud, hajons, hhalpin, cperey, bblfish
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pchampin, karl, mischat, adam, matthew</dd>
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<dt>Regrets: Claudio, oshani, peterf</dt>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>DKA</dd>
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<dd>Tim Anglade</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item02">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-06-10T13:00-15:00Z</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">General Organization and Task
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<li><a href="#item04">Optional Face-to-Face
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<li><a href="#item05">Invited Guests</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">Creating User Stories on the
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Wiki</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item07">Social Network Matrix</a></li>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Chair: DKA</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: tpa</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2009-06-10T13:00-15:00Z</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> meeting convened.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 3 June 2009 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: to meet
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again Wed, 17 June. scribe volunteer?</p>
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<h3 id="item03">General Organization and Task Forces</h3>
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<p class='phone'>Claudio sent some emails about task
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forces.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> According to our
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brand new Zakim list, <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/ScribeList">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/ScribeList</a>,
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Phil Archer should scribe next.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Task forces need to be
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chartered</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Will e-mail him a
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reminder.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to collect
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information on the wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we should figure out which
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task forces want to do which meetings<br />
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... schedule which conf call is dedicated to which task
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force<br />
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... also figure out how to handle Portability<br />
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... what could be the topics of the task forces<br />
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... maybe put that on the wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> maybe dedicate the next call
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to Context and Privacy?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> echo on the line
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coming from somewhere?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> do some homework in the
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coming weeks to come up with initiatives that revolve around
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Context and catalog them, their level of involvement in
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Privacy<br />
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... we give the example of location being key<br />
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... they could be associated with safety of child safety
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issues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> those could be useful to
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define a shared view of Context, both from an industrial and an
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academic perspective</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> What I'll do is
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I'll put the agenda format on the wiki asap so people can add
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context and privacy related items to agenda all over the next
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week.</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to start putting agenda on
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wiki day after meeting [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> especially how they mesh
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with the mobile and social media spaces<br />
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... requests caffeine injections into XG members</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> if I unmute I will
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only cough into the conference call :-(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ack</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we need to look at
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Renato's policy comments and ideas</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> there wer a few
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talks on policy at the eswc spot track in crete</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Adam:</cite> send a reading list before
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each confcall?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> here <a href=
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"http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/">http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> here are the
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papers: <a href=
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"http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/papers">http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/papers</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> For context, it
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would be useful if someone involved in WebApps sort of put
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forward a list of context-capable APIs.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> And debriefed us on
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Mobile Web W3C Activity.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we should focus immediate
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actions and reading on Context and Privacy.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> the reading links
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will be on the listserv or wiki?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we also need to define
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overall scope.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/sism.html">http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/sism.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> regarding Portability, we
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already have some work going on with FOAF and vCard but we need
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to focuse on mapping between networks for Interoperability</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Matthew:</cite> we have been looking at
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how functionalities in social networks overlap and can be
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mapped</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> where can i read more
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about the mappings?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Check on that
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web-page.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Matthew:</cite> we're looking into
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providing schematics on how to standardize this mapping, we're
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looking for feedback</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> cool</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I also think
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ASemantics had a mapping somewhere....not sure if they're on
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the call.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> anything else also on
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XMPP?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> yes, there's a lot of
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activity around Google Wave. Peter Saint Andre has accepted our
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invitation but we need to set a date. Maybe he can debrief us
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on XMPP</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> dedicate each call to a
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specific topic or task force?<br />
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... maybe for the call on the 24th, we could center it around
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this task force?<br />
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... But is there a charter for those task forces or a
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definition?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> no, no leader or scoping
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either.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> joaquin?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if we spin off a taskforce,
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we need a leader for it, could be a co-chair, should have a
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delivery statement</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> i can do it</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> proposes Joaquin<br />
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... or Peter Ferne</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> zakim unmute
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me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Yes, agree that
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Portability needs a better scoping statement, I remember
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Joaquin having some good ideas.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Joaquin:</cite> I can try to do
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this.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> yes. i will do
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it</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to write up draft scoping and
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definition for portability and architecture task force.
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: Next week
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about context, week after portability.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we took a decision to do the
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next call around Portability? We need a mission statement and a
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leader the Context and Privacy TF, maybe Claudio?</p>
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<h3 id="item04">Optional Face-to-Face Meeting</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> Claudio made leader
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in abstentia ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> propose to meet at TPAC or
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the Internet Identify Workshop</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> entrance fee is low,
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around $60 hotel and travel not included</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> we should have a
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meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>caribou</cite>> fee is $50/day</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> the objectives?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Do we want to meet at
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TPAC?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> last one was in
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Europe, good to have on in USA</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Usually fun and nice.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The main problem is
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we NEED to tell W3C asap.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to take the W3C up
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on this offer</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I enjoyed the spain
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one</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Which two days?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> One meeting?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> open meeting?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> and bring additional people
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from the community, participants from start-ups and other
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companies that may not be participating in W3C<br />
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... but we need to communicate to W3C what our requirements
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are, for example a bigger room on one of the days</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the main issue is really
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if we can get 10 people minimum there, otherwise it's not worth
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doing</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the other thing is that
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there is this Internet Identify Workshop running in
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parallel</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is the internet
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identity workshop at exactly the same time?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> lot of the OAuth, XRI,
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Facebook, Myspace people would be at that workshop.<br />
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... it runs a little shorter than TPAC and in another building
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down the road<br />
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... maybe pick Friday as the open day?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Frisay</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Friday</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> 1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> who would be able to
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attend?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> i would likely be
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able to</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> probably not
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:-(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i would like to go,
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but i cannot commit to it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I'd like to, but a
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bit difficult to say at this point, as there are a lot of
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unknows with Oracle takeover between now and then</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> probably not.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> +1 for TPAC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> not sure, depend
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if i get funding from university</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>milstan</cite>> most likely not
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:(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> a few days,
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actually</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> for researchers you could
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work in around the Semantic Web conference in DC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to open poll about the subject
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> plus there should
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be a lot of people in the bay area</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> that can come</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we should move fast and
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book the room<br />
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... with TPAC</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> maybe link it to the
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November 2009 events wiki page</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: Book a
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room for TPAC 2009.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Christine also proposed
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another idea which was to do another workshop</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> I see the open day at TPAC
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being the same thing as doing another XG workshop</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Also, Ian Jacobs of
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W3C wanted to have a open day.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> it's more cost effective to
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do it inside TPAC</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> doing it inside TPAC
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fulfills other requirements as well</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hhalpin: what is
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the other semweb conference at the same time?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> notes that for
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people like myself who are into the Semantic Web, International
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Semantic Web Conference: <a href=
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"http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/">http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/</a></p>
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<h3 id="item05">Invited Guests</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Karl was talking to the
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open microblogging people</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> had a mail exchange with
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Evan, not available right now, will be back at the end of June,
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interested, we need to figure what we want him to talk
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about<br />
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... There's no issue about having him as an invited guest, we
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just need to work with him to define what he'll be talking to
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us about.</p>
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<p class='phone'>s/Ivan??/Evan/</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> there are a lot of
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interesting subjects around microblogging, XMPP and OAuth</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> SIOC is not a
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million miles away either.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> XMPP to do Google
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Wave-type microblogging, OAuth working in the back, etc.<br />
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... Asking him point blank "what do you want W3C to do with
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this?", why and how to standardize microblogging<br />
|
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... SIOC is also related</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Cloud:</cite> I talked to Evan and the
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microblogging people</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Also of interest -
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<a href=
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"http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/IdenticaSiocData">http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/IdenticaSiocData</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://gitorious.org/openmicroblogging/mainline/blobs/master/openmicroblogging.txt">
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http://gitorious.org/openmicroblogging/mainline/blobs/master/openmicroblogging.txt</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> john: they can ping
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as many microblogs to send over</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> john: data is
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stored using SIOC and FOAF</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> I came across this
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possibly related effort recently: <a href=
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"http://twitterdata.org/">http://twitterdata.org/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> John, what's the
|
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relationship between open microblogging & semantic
|
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microblogging ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>John:</cite> we try to make them
|
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compatible but haven't gotten there</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> john: we wanted to
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allow the client/server system to work with
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open-microblogging</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Related to
|
|
twitterdata.org - <a href=
|
|
"http://www.microsyntax.org/">http://www.microsyntax.org/</a>
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<a href=
|
|
"http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec">http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec</a></p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> john: we are
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|
allowing people to embed semantics inside microblogs
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themselves</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... but we can
|
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allow the micrblogged content distributed across different
|
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sites</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... we could use
|
|
twitterdata, starpriority, microsyntax, which look at embedding
|
|
RDF or microformat-like semantic syntax into microblog
|
|
posts</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> sounds like there's 2
|
|
distincts things going on<br />
|
|
... 1) is transfer of the messages and 2) how to embed
|
|
semantics inside a message</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> smob looked at
|
|
the embedding of semantics</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> maybe do a separate call
|
|
on (2) later on? Could be a productive meeting to have?</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec">http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec</a>
|
|
is my RDF-in-microblogging idea. It's a bit crazy, but
|
|
works.</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.microsyntax.org/">http://www.microsyntax.org/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if anybody has any contact
|
|
working on Twitter data, microsyntax efforts, etc. it would be
|
|
nice to have them on the 1st of July call</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> That is more
|
|
"microformats for microblogs"</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Cloud</cite>> Thanks
|
|
tinkster!</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Karl to follow up with Evan, see if
|
|
that date works. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
|
|
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> Also relevant -
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://microformats.org/wiki/picoformats">http://microformats.org/wiki/picoformats</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RDF could be
|
|
considered a kiloformat :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> I think pico is as
|
|
small as anyone's gone so far.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> we haven't actually
|
|
included XMPP or DataPortability folks yet</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-nanoformats">http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-nanoformats</a>
|
|
(a thousand times bigger than picoformats?)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Cloud</cite>> Also <a href=
|
|
"http://civilities.net/Star_Priority_Notation">http://civilities.net/Star_Priority_Notation</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> maybe continue that action
|
|
and try to get them on the line</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://m2bp.pbworks.com/">http://m2bp.pbworks.com/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Media 2.0 Best
|
|
Practices</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Its mostly a sort
|
|
manifesto about user rights over data.</p><a name="action05"
|
|
id="action05"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to make DKA's day [RESOLVED]
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Renato
|
|
and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Update from hajons
|
|
or cperey, or continue actions?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> it is just part of
|
|
the Invited Guests list</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> [CONTINUE]
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hakon to ask Terry Eagle and Sandy
|
|
Pentland for guest telecon</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item06">Creating User Stories on the Wiki</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> people have been listing and
|
|
annotating user stories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> i agree we should
|
|
refine the userstories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> is it worth assigning an
|
|
editor to those?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 for editor or
|
|
two editors to user stories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> +1 on focused
|
|
discussion of user stories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Could be good to add some
|
|
consistency to them.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1 focused
|
|
discussion</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> or create a new
|
|
one</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> at a different
|
|
day/time</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> If someone could take
|
|
responsibility for this, that'd be great, then we could take a
|
|
telecon to discuss them.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> has anybody been
|
|
particularly active with the user stories?</p><a name=
|
|
"action07" id="action07"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make a calendar of topics
|
|
for upcoming Social Web XGs [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> 1st July Semantic
|
|
Microblogging ++</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if the 1st of July is too
|
|
soon for a microblogging call, maybe dedicate it instead to
|
|
user stories?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>lubna</cite>> +1 focused
|
|
discussion</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> anybody in playing an
|
|
editorial role on user stories?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> not all at once</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Tim Anglade
|
|
volunteers to edit stories?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Tim Anglade
|
|
volunteers!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Tim:</cite> volunteers, but not very
|
|
involved with stories so far, would accept help.</p><a name=
|
|
"action08" id="action08"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Tim to W3C-style "edit" user stories
|
|
on <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a>
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ah we are on user
|
|
stories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> I can be
|
|
co-editor with Tim if he wants help.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to come up with an
|
|
action plan or set of recommendations about what we like, or
|
|
what we need to fill the next ones correctly</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Fabien Gandon</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> would be useful from an
|
|
editorial perspective</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Fabien:</cite> volunteers to co-edit the
|
|
user stories with Tim.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes there is a lot
|
|
of difference between the User Stories. Some of them are very
|
|
simple, some are extreemly long and complex</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> with the matrix, Christine
|
|
was asking why we were drafting yet another list of Social
|
|
Networks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> ED ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> annotate the stories on the
|
|
same page to see how people interact with social media<br />
|
|
... one of the outputs of that is something that could be
|
|
digestable by a non-technical audience<br />
|
|
... and here's how they map with the technologies out of the
|
|
community</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, I wonder if
|
|
info about the US should be on the same page as the
|
|
technologies that can be used to implement them</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> the matrix should be next to
|
|
the user stories. Maybe figure that out on July 1st<br />
|
|
... during the call, live edit the wiki page and structure it
|
|
all out.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Sounds good to
|
|
me.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> do you intend to
|
|
link use cases with specific community services?</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item07">Social Network Matrix</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> but the theme has
|
|
been that we need to have more definitions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> at least that was a
|
|
question I asked</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> what was "in" and
|
|
why</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> the danger of a
|
|
matrix is that it max show us what exists currently, but not
|
|
show where to go. Or the past may overwhelm the future</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> i.e. how do we
|
|
define "Social Network"?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> the list could be
|
|
infinite</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I find the user
|
|
stories more interesting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>also, it's hard to figure out where to put
|
|
some initiatives in the matrices I've seen so far</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agree entirely</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> could one of the
|
|
sections (in the wiki / final report) be about looking
|
|
forward</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> my interest is not so much
|
|
in the popular community services, but the community services
|
|
that are kind of popping up</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I will sign off in
|
|
1.5 minutes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> but it's a moving target, so
|
|
it's hard to keep a document up-to-date for that</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> but, of course, it
|
|
is good to have a list of sites, as a basis to develop ideas on
|
|
how they could leverage a social web to make it easier for
|
|
their users</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> So is the idea
|
|
of the matrix to show the specific functionalities that are
|
|
similar and different on different social networking sites?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-accord-pushes-location-sharing-between-social-networks/">
|
|
http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-accord-pushes-location-sharing-between-social-networks/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> other thoughts on the
|
|
matrix, maybe do a review, add some additional information?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> no one wants to do that
|
|
(apparently)<br />
|
|
... From the use case document, we could extract
|
|
functionalities, potential functionalities and do other
|
|
matrices by other definitions<br />
|
|
... list them by website, to be able to compare</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> agree with
|
|
hhalpin</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Sort of an empirical
|
|
grounding of the functionality that we want</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> Maybe exhibit popular
|
|
networks that, as it turns out, don't offer much in the way of
|
|
functionalities, etc.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> it's a bit of a
|
|
ltater process.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> it's a bit of a
|
|
later process, it's less important than the user stories and
|
|
best practices.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> if we can find data that
|
|
shows these companies or services open themselves up, use those
|
|
particular technologies and have been reporting success</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> but I thought we
|
|
could at least get the matrix together.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> could allow
|
|
ranking of sns by adoption of standards?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Show they don't do it just
|
|
because it's open but because it brings success, it could be a
|
|
good argument</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 matthew</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>rreck</cite>> it would be nice to
|
|
see which userstories could apply to which networking sites</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We should be collecting that
|
|
information as well, from an industry perspective</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> +1 rreck</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> the matrix gives a
|
|
background picture of what is happening. So in some ideas one
|
|
can look at what the sites do and then imagine how one could do
|
|
the same in an open web</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>Harry:</cite> the user stories could be
|
|
important as well, by the time our guidelines emerge from those
|
|
use cases, we'd have enough to boostrap a list</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Shall we adjourn
|
|
meeting?</p>
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to end the
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tinkster</cite>> bye all!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Cloud</cite>> Thanks everyone -
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bye!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Adjourn meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> thanks, adios</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is this all for
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<p class='irc'><<cite>lubna</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> next call will be about
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Context</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mattroweshow</cite>> cya</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to make
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DKA's day [RESOLVED] [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Harry to open
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poll about the subject [recorded in <a href=
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to make a
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calendar of topics for upcoming Social Web XGs [recorded in
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to start
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putting agenda on wiki day after meeting [recorded in <a href=
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> joaquin to write
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up draft scoping and definition for portability and architecture
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task force. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Karl to follow up
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with Evan, see if that date works. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Tim to W3C-style
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"edit" user stories on <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a>
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and
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DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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