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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>20 May 2009</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-irc">IRC
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log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<div class="intro">
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>+1.314.705.aaaa, karl, tinkster, AlexPassant, oshani,
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DKA, AdamB, mischat, renato, Hakan, AlexKorth?, danbri,
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HenryStory, pchampin</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Harry_Halpin, Peter_Ferne, Ronald_P._Reck,
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Christine_Perey, Jeff_Sonstein, Joaquin_Salvachua,
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Lubna_Dajani</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>DKA</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>Toby</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Task forces</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Invited guests</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Any other business</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Liasons with other groups</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> trackbot, start
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meeting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 20 May
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> how did trackbot do
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that? :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> it's called magic</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> cool!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> string matching</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> zqkim, who's on the
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call</p>
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<p class='phone'>Hello all!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://w3csocialweb.tumblr.com/post/110450120/lifestreams-the-time-of-specs">
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Last week in the Social Web</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> I again have no
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clue of who I am on the phone. Experiences with skype,
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anyone?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>renato</cite>> zankim, I am
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+??P14</p>
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<p class='phone'>Toby</p>
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<p class='phone'>yes</p>
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<p class='phone'>I can do if no-one else wants to.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> tinkster++!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> tinkster, did you did
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it last week?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Scribe: Toby</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> ScribeNick:
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tinkster</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ScribeNick:
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tinkster</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Kicking off with Harry's
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agenda. Topic #1 is review of last week's minutes. Any
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objections?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<h3 id="item01">Task forces</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Discussion of task forces.
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Lots about this last week. Two proposals from last meeting.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> correct</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> can privacy and
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context merge ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Privacy TF, Portability
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& Arch TF. Karl and Joaquim as possible leaders?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> Joaquim was not interested
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in leading TF, but in looking at scope of TF to make sure not
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too broad.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> +1 to merging
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privacy and context task forces</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> mtiffiel =
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mischat</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> has been progress on user
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stories thanks to Oshani and someone else (Mischa?) on
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Wiki.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> +1 to merging
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privacy and context task forces</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories">User
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Stories</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i have also put
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some text regarding privacy here <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> Not able to introduce the
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user stories, but Oshani can.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>oshani:</cite> User stories - #1
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intransitive nature of privacy policies. <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Intransitivity_of_Rules.2FPolicies_Applied_to_Social_Network_Data">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Intransitivity_of_Rules.2FPolicies_Applied_to_Social_Network_Data</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> Hello.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> zakin, muted me</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> what's the app's
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name?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>oshani:</cite> #2 Inferences based on
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Contextual Data <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Inferences_based_on_Contextual_Data">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Inferences_based_on_Contextual_Data</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> k</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> harry did those as
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far as i am aware</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> Other user stories were
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submitted by Harry (who sends regrets).</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> there's the
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interesting story of the French TF1 journalist who wrote
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privately to his MP criticising the hadopi law passing in
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parliament which found it's way into the hands of the minister,
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and then into the hands of his employer, who then sacked
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him.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> danbri made a remark about
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throwaway identities.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> OpenID - single use
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accounts ; how are two different accounts connected to each
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other?<br />
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... If one OpenID site has something nice to say about me, then
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the karma associated with that account, should carry across to
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other IDs.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> This sounds plausible. Is it
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related to privacy?</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to document throwaway IDs on
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Wiki [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-8 -
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Document throwaway IDs on Wiki [on Dan Brickley - due
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2009-05-27].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i have put some
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text up re privacy and context</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i could talk
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through it</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write up user story about
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different kinds of "single use" openids (eg. karma) [recorded
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in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-9 -
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Write up user story about different kinds of "single use"
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openids (eg. karma) [on Dan Brickley - due 2009-05-27].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> throwaway IDs:
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good point</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> any other user stories to
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highlight?<br />
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... can mischat elaborate on where to take these stories
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next?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics">
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> was actioned to put up
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some info on privacy and context. There was no "champion" for
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Context - if it needs to be merged, then perhaps with
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Privacy.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> Zakim: mute me</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> People benefit from
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context - one of the main benefits of social networks. There's
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a tension between privacy and involvement in a network.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> there has been some
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work on co-ownership of data on SNs : see <a href=
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"http://www2009.eprints.org/53/1/p521.pdf">http://www2009.eprints.org/53/1/p521.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> Talked about privacy and
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removing unwanted information. Garlik did a survey of
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government agencies and UK Data Protection Act.<br />
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... Should we look at privacy policies of current social
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networks?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> makes sense to me
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too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i wrote about this
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recently <a href=
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"http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17123/1/ohara_et_al_idis_lifelogging.pdf">
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http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17123/1/ohara_et_al_idis_lifelogging.pdf</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Privacy and context go hand
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in hand. Being tagged in a photo could invade your privacy.
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Some regulations are EU-wide. Some similar work in US?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> "Privacy doesn't mean
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anything in isolation."</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> Don't want to just look
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at policies. I'm a developer, so tagged technology aspect on at
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end.<br />
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... can people add further comments to Wiki page.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> it works danbri</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Talked to Flikr last
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year. One of their concerns about FOAF is reusability of data
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vs privacy.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i tried to allude
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to this in the text, but good point danbri</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> Privacy starts when
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there is an observer.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Something on Twitter
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shows up on other sites very quickly. Aggregate sites.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> oops I'd like to
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add something to this</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> danbri has an idea of a
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universal human right of people taking down information about
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themselves.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> ZoneTag project
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used geo-tagged photos and social networks to do face detection
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by what was known as Yahoo research berkeley</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> <a href=
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"http://zonetag.research.yahoo.com/">http://zonetag.research.yahoo.com/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> One of the strongest
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arguments companies have about not opening up their data is
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privacy.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> I
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volunteer</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to document takedowns as a user
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story [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-10
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- Document takedowns as a user story [on Oshani Seneviratne -
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due 2009-05-27].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> take downs, by which
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i mean "if some chunk of social web data about me happens on
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site x, then flows to y and z ... and then i tell site x to
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take it down and they do, ... how can site x communicate this
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to y and z...?"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mib_84g3c5</cite>> +q</p>
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<p class='phone'>(what danbri said)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> bblfish would like
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to add himself to speaker queue</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oshani, is that line
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above a reasonable start towards user story?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mib_84g3c5:</cite> Privacy is important,
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but portability is too. Shouldn't ignore one at expense of
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other.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> danbri, could you
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detail a bit more</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> danbri, we are
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working on something called "Propagators" with Sussman these
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days... it sounds like the same idea</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Maybe it should be
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renamed "Context and Privacy"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> so yes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mib_84g3c5:</cite> We want to be able to
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share context in an open, re-usable way.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> how is context
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different than any other form of data ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> agreed. Must look at both
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topics.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> mib_84g3c: no,
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privacy is not sdedecracy but control over data reach. thus,
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these aspects are inclu</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I am on speaker
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queue, or I don't know how to get onto it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> * mib_84g3c: no,
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privacy is not secrecy but control over data reach. thus, these
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aspects are included</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> How is context different
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than any other form of data? Privacy vs sharing context ==
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privacy vs sharing other data.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> danbri, with
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takedowns, we are assuming a push-based model, isn't it?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i was trying not to
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assume a particular protocol model</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> "Data Republishing on
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the Social Web" touches the subject of propagation (<a href=
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"http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-447/paper8.pdf)">http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-447/paper8.pdf)</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> downstream sites
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might have responsibility to poll the source</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> okay so both push
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and pull</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (i'll meet marc
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canter for a beer tommorrow btw, he might know what some
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companies are doing)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> Possibility for people to
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remove data / control data lifetime. DRM is related topic.
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Right now, there's very little possibility for people to remove
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data.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Yes, important issue, but
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this isn't the only aspect we need to discuss. Henry...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> the push/pull aspect
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is part technology or protocol (even if non-computery) ... but
|
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the user story i think should be mostly at the level "Hey, i
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took this off the Web here ,... why is it still on the Web here
|
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here and here...." (without trying to specify some kind of
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impossibly complete DRM-for-people-data)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> if two people say the
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same thing, depending on who says it, it can take on a
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different meaning.<br />
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... If I say that I' a good worker, it doesn't have the same
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authority as if my employer says it.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> agreed bblfish</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> danbri, agreed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Can we work this in?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We need to have a user story
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for this.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> bblfish "freedom of
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expression is important ... to express what they want to say
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... but need to keep track of who-said-what"</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> Following on from Henry.
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Hassan something was thought by authorities to be a terrorist.
|
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They had lots of third-party facts.<br />
|
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... But he had IP addresses, context info that he could use as
|
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an alibi.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tinkster:</cite> "Providence" is the
|
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word to sum this up.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> so that's related
|
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to trust, right</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (mischat, can you
|
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spell his name? wouldn't want to match him against the wrong
|
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person ...)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yeah i getting a
|
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link now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> there is the notion
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of speech acts</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> to be taken into
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account</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> I talked about him
|
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in this <a href=
|
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"http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17123/1/ohara_et_al_idis_lifelogging.pdf">
|
|
http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17123/1/ohara_et_al_idis_lifelogging.pdf</a>
|
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, this is his personal website <a href=
|
|
"http://trackingtransience.net/">http://trackingtransience.net/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> General consensus that
|
|
context and privacy belong as one TF and Portability
|
|
separate.<br />
|
|
... We need to decide this and who will lead them.</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> For example, an art
|
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professor at Rutgers, Hasan Elahi, who was arrested in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> 2002 on serious
|
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terrorism allegations despite being absolutely innocent of
|
|
any</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> criminal or
|
|
terrorist activity, has taken to lifelogging and posting the
|
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information on</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> the Web as a
|
|
pre-emptive alibi</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> What would be the
|
|
deliverables for the TFs? A document? A section for the general
|
|
report?</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> For example, an art
|
|
professor at Rutgers, Hasan Elahi, who was arrested in 2002 on
|
|
serious terrorism allegations despite being absolutely innocent
|
|
of any criminal or terrorist activity, has taken to lifelogging
|
|
and posting the information on</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> the Web as a
|
|
pre-emptive alibi.</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> The deliverable should be
|
|
something which flows into XG report.</p>
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|
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<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> agrees.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> all kinds of other
|
|
goodness might come out of TFs, ... but they should always keep
|
|
in mind we need good materials for our final publication</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Once we set up a task force,
|
|
the leader would need to set up discussions and generally lead
|
|
the TF, but somebody else might be assigned as editor for the
|
|
TF's deliverables.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> are there templates
|
|
for these things ?</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (no templates yet
|
|
afaik)</p>
|
|
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<p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> A template would help a
|
|
lot.<br />
|
|
... We need user stories, what kind of solutions could
|
|
exist.</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> cool</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> This is an example xg
|
|
report, for web content labels (which flowed into POWDER):
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/</a></p><a name="action04"
|
|
id="action04"></a>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to produce a template for TF
|
|
deliverables. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-11
|
|
- Produce a template for TF deliverables. [on Karl Dubost - due
|
|
2009-05-27].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i've added takedown
|
|
text from here into <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Document_Takedowns.3F_Propagators">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Document_Takedowns.3F_Propagators</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Good example XG report -
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/</a>
|
|
- we need TF chairs, but also good wordsmiths.<br />
|
|
... Can we talk about invited guests, now?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> so what are the
|
|
task forces?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> TFs: fine</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> "Context & Privacy"
|
|
, "Data Portability & Architectures"</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (1 mins, looking for
|
|
a link)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Proposed TFs : "Context
|
|
& Privacy" , "Data Portability & Architectures". Also
|
|
Christine has offered to lead work on business and landscape,
|
|
which are part of work of XG, not a TF.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> +1 to the 2 task
|
|
forces</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> +1</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mib_84g3c5</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>tinkster:</cite> I'm happy with these.
|
|
Architectures = Distrib Arch, right?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> +1 for 2 TF</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> danbri: I put in
|
|
the "Data Protection" user story in a rush this morning, I
|
|
wanted to hint at what you have put placeholders for, so please
|
|
feel free to remove/mangle as appropriate</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> danbri, you wanted to
|
|
store links re invited guests ... <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a>
|
|
and</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> People should think about
|
|
whether they want to lead.</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item02">Invited guests</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> There's two pages on Wiki
|
|
- Invited Guests page.<br />
|
|
... contributed by Harry, cleaned by danbri.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i have added in
|
|
some people in context and privacy (people should feel free to
|
|
delete as appropriate)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Other page is
|
|
DiscussionTopics. Better to discuss specific topics than just
|
|
bringing people in for open-ended talks.<br />
|
|
... First topic suggested is widget platforms. Can we do
|
|
something useful here by putting people in touch who aren't
|
|
currently working with each other?<br />
|
|
... vCard/PortableContext/FOAF is another one suggested by
|
|
Harry.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> perhaps I should
|
|
move the privacy and context stuff out....</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Involved with widgets. This
|
|
is something we should look at, but after Widgets F2F, 9-11
|
|
June.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> DKA: art barstow
|
|
pushed this (widgets discussion) til after their f2f ... 9th to
|
|
11th june</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We should have someone from
|
|
Opera represented as a guest.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> I could chase Chaals.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Mark (?) would with Chaals
|
|
and might be a candidate.</p><a name="action05" id=
|
|
"action05"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to find someone from Opera to
|
|
talk Widgets. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-12
|
|
- Find someone from Opera to talk Widgets. [on Dan Brickley -
|
|
due 2009-05-27].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Not completely convinced
|
|
that vCard discussion is best way of doing this. Would be happy
|
|
if everyone used FOAF, but that might be a conflict of
|
|
interest.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> hehe</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> When is the right stage
|
|
to bring in non-RDF-converts?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> kick-out
|
|
music</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> ooooh it is the music
|
|
of the group!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> yeah, we have music!
|
|
:)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> wow :-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>The official SWXG anthem is playing again.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, we had that
|
|
before</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ok everyone be
|
|
quiet</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> henry?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> it must be our theme
|
|
song</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> busted!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> :D</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ????</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> ahah!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> -1 on music</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> It's not me</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> hehe</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> I'm not music
|
|
source.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> henrystory is our
|
|
official composer</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Everyone else: yes, you are.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> is it our role to get groups
|
|
to work out their problems in our conference calls?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> I wonder if henrystory
|
|
music enters in the privacy & context section.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> very difficult to
|
|
proove my innocence....</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> very different dynamics
|
|
between "protocol people" and "schema people". RDF world allows
|
|
various different schemas to play in one model.<br />
|
|
... Protocol work is more about software architecture.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>tinkster:</cite> FOAF could certainly
|
|
benefit from some vCard stuff. (tel, adr)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> does TF "Data
|
|
Portability & Architectures" end up with protocol and
|
|
exchange format recommendations anyway?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> can it be done as
|
|
fact-finding exercise? with some template ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> eg. issues faced,
|
|
opportunities, plans, ....?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> wants to avoid conference
|
|
calls entirely consisting of arguments between two external
|
|
groups.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> these vocabs
|
|
probably all fit together one way or another</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i wonder if we
|
|
should invite experts when we have some good questions ready
|
|
?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> But good to identify
|
|
communities working on same problem but in isolation.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> mischat, right.
|
|
we should collect and agree on questions for our guests.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Wiki page for discovering
|
|
overlapping topics/communities.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>danbri:</cite> Can we have a template
|
|
for collecting info from communities "what have you achieved
|
|
over last year? what problems have you had?"<br />
|
|
... Anyone think this is useful? Do you have any ideas about
|
|
what these templates should look like?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i think it is a
|
|
good idea, i wouldn't know where to start with template</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> [sound of
|
|
silence]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> just like mischat
|
|
:)</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri sketch a 5 line template for
|
|
interaction with other groups (cf InvitedExperts,
|
|
DiscussionTopics) [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-13
|
|
- Sketch a 5 line template for interaction with other groups
|
|
(cf InvitedExperts, DiscussionTopics) [on Dan Brickley - due
|
|
2009-05-27].</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item03">Any other business</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Coming to end of hour.
|
|
AOB?<br />
|
|
... proposal about changing time of meeting?<br />
|
|
... Two hour meeting, with second hour for a task force. We
|
|
should defer this until TFs established.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> can we have section
|
|
in the wiki for the task forces ? I could move the text i wrote
|
|
to that section from the <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics</a>
|
|
section</p>
|
|
|
|
<h3 id="item04">Liasons with other groups</h3>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> AlexPassant, you
|
|
wanted to ask about SPARQL WG liaison</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> there was a lot of
|
|
b/g noise there</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>AlexPassant:</cite> Should we have a
|
|
liason with SPARQL WG?<br />
|
|
... Alex can act as a liason.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> nope</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re liaison with
|
|
SPARQL ,are there specific technical scenarios that are
|
|
relevant to the two groups? eg. 1. Oauth for SPARQL protocol 2.
|
|
SPARQL extensions for social graph analytics</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Yes, this seems useful. Can
|
|
this go on the Wiki. We need a liason wiki page.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> and the federated
|
|
sparql query ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> do those examples
|
|
make sense?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> yep and
|
|
federated</p>
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes</p><a name=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> AlexPassant to create a liasons list
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on the Wiki and list himself for SPARQL. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-14
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- Create a liasons list on the Wiki and list himself for
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SPARQL. [on Alexandre Passant - due 2009-05-27].</p>
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<p class='phone'>Bye!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexKorth</cite>> bye all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mib_84g3c5</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> bye all</p>
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<p class='phone'>Don't know where, don't know when.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> thanks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> danbri: I will take
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an action to move the privacy text from your
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DiscussionTopics</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> karl: would be nice
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to hear your views on the privacy/context stuff on the wiki,
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being the task force lead and all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> danbri mischat
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: status of current SPARQL features proposed by the WG after
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the first F2F <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2009/05/19/sparql_working_group_holds_1st_face_to_f">
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http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2009/05/19/sparql_working_group_holds_1st_face_to_f</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yeah, i have seen
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that</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> mischat: will do that
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today :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> karl: great</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> mischat, oh it's
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fine there ... i was just suprised to see the page grew :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> danbri: oauth
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would make sens for the protocol and update, indeed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> swh once again
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apologies for not being here</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> he is another
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person which will join this talks, and is on the sparql WG
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too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> the rough idea for
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that page originally, ... was that we should collected topical
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themes before pulling in outsiders</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ideally with
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specific questions or concrete issues that conclusions might be
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reached around</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> sure</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> that makes
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sense</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> i will tidy up the
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markup</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> crap i'm still in
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zakim even</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> wrote it in a
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hurry, right bye for now, back to coding :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> bye all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> bye all!</p>
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<p class='phone'>s/^<strong>ACTION:</strong> /ACTION: /g</p>
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<p class='phone'>Seems to be there to me. Hit reload?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani_</cite>> tinkster, yes now I
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see it</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani_</cite>> thanks</p>
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</div>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> AlexPassant to
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create a liasons list on the Wiki and list himself for SPARQL.
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri sketch a 5
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line template for interaction with other groups (cf
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InvitedExperts, DiscussionTopics) [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
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document throwaway IDs on Wiki [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to find
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someone from Opera to talk Widgets. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri write up
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user story about different kinds of "single use" openids (eg.
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karma) [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> karl to produce a
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template for TF deliverables. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to
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document takedowns as a user story [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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[End of minutes]<br />
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$Date: 2009/05/20 14:18:26 $
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