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<h1>Social Web Incubator Group</h1>
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<h2>13 May 2009</h2>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>AdamB, tinkster, AlexPassant, FabGandon, wonsuk, karl,
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dom, oshani, jsalvachua, cperey, +0797094aaaa, petef,
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+03539149aabb, mischat, +39.011.228.aacc, pchampin, uldis,
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+49.899.5.aaee, raphael, Julian, +39.011.228.aaff, danbri,
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hhalpin, MacTed, +1.510.931.aagg, Hakan, yuk</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Ronald, BenG, JeffS, PhilA, AlexKorth</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>DKA</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<ul>
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<li><a href="#agenda">Topics</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<hr />
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<div class="meeting">
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'>7994</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> Hello, to
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all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://w3csocialweb.tumblr.com/">Last Week in Social Web
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Incubator Group</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>Does it just involve typing what's spoken to
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IRC?</p>
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<p class='phone'>If so, I can do that - I can type pretty
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quickly.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> ScribeNick:
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tinkster</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> Scribe: Toby</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> cheers for
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tinkster</p>
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<p class='phone'>danbri and hhalpin details, so I'm
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scribing.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Harry's agenda had a typo for IRC channel.
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This is the correct one.</p>
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<p class='phone'>No roll call. Anyone new?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> I was there
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only on IRC last week</p>
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<p class='phone'>Alex Passant - <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0020.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0020.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>DERI Galway.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Interested in social/semantic stuff.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Do we approve minutes from last meeting?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Any objections?</p>
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<p class='phone'>We'll generally assume minutes approved unless
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we hear otherwise.</p>
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<p class='phone'>First, we'll hear about Christine's taskforce
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proposal.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0051.html">
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Christine's TF proposal</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html">Last week
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meeting minutes</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> task forces concept
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not just my idea. Helped to write it and adopted formula from
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workshops.</p>
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<p class='phone'>People at workshops and after expressed
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interest in specific topics.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Task forces illustrate depth and bredth of
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topics.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Christine doesn't percieve "mobile" as
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separate topic. Is relevant to all task forces.</p>
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<p class='phone'>This is why she doesn't propose such a task
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force.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to not splitting
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mobile off.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Christine's task force proposal is not the
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only way this could be split up.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Distributed and privacy/trust seem to have a
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lot of people interested.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1 not splitting
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mobile</p>
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<p class='phone'>Julian from Vodaphone has joined us and will
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be introducing himself.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Vodaphone R&D, research initiatives
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group.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Interested in context and standardising that
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here.</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA notes task forces have been successful in
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Mobile Web Best Practices.</p>
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<p class='phone'>MWBP task forces have sometimes had own calls,
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own face to faces.</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA speaks about definition of task
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forces.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Key feature is that they have a lead.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> task force has
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leader and people/participants!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 to not split
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mobile too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> we need to have a
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critical number of experts</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Dom:</cite> leader + charter. People can
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decide whether to join.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> make sure task force
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scope is well defined</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> hi</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> sorry late, trying
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join</p>
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<p class='phone'>Needs more than 1 participant.</p>
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<p class='phone'>For every task force we want to launch, there
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is an overhead - identify leader, etc.</p>
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<p class='phone'>e.g. a mobile web task force was set up for an
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open source implementation. Made sense to split it off, have
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own calls, have face to faces to work on code.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Different deliverables from main working
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group.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Any software development would certainly make
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sense as a task force.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Let's identify one or two task forces to split
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off and then phase in others if/when needed.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ..ooOO( 7 task
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forces, vs 7 email threads...? )</p>
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<p class='phone'>What are people's priorities for task
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forces?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> It is not required
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that all task forces begin at the start of the incubator's
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activity. There may be delays either due to lack of appropriate
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leader or contributors, dependencies or lack of time on behalf
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of the incubator group's members.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> how should the task
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forces map back to the XG charter?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> sorry for echo on
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line. Agrees that some can be spun off later - sometimes
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deirable when there are dependencies.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> or should i ask, do
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they need to?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> important to have a
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higher level "Landscape" task force. How does everything look
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big picture?<br />
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... I want to be invoolved in that one.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, I would like to
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lead that</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> agrees landscape tf makes
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sense.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> looks like he is</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I am online.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> both are on line</p>
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<p class='phone'>Thanks.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i'm not getting
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audio here</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> agrees on having task
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forces.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> may i make my point
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by irc please?: for now re "task forces", let's start by seeing
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them as email threads ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1 for task
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forces to start and focus the work</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I'd say 2 or 3.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agree that they need
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to be clarified based on interests</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> if we get > 10
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messages in 1 of these threads, and more than 3 participants in
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that thread, then let's call it a Task Force ...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Scoping for task forces need
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more quantification. Don't want to split off 7 immediately. 2
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is a good place to start.<br />
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... all Christines listed areas are good places, but don't
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necessarily need all of them to spin off separately.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> notes that we also
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had a poll on task for projected participation in past...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> let me find that
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URI</p>
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<p class='phone'>Landscape and Business areas - mergeable?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> there is overlap, but
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Landscape intended to look at technical aspects, and look for
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gaps.<br />
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... metrics is muddy.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> karl, you wanted to
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ask about Landscape Task force future?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> Landscape seems to be about
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surveying. Incubator is 1 year (maybe two if we're lucky).</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Maybe one thing we
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can say, if we wanted to start 2 or 3 task forces in order to
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get some work done, which 2 or 3 would be best?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> Should we have a continuing
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forum for discussing developments after the XG is finished?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> Landscape is a "living
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framework". On a wiki?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://delicious.com/search?p=socialweb">http://delicious.com/search?p=socialweb</a>
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? does it answer the needs or what is needed?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> capture the state of
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the art and then "colour on top of it to make it more
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rich".</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I guess my question
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with Landscape is that it's more or less what the entire XG is
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supposed to be doing...</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA? agrees with christine about living
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document.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> agreed hhalpin, the
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landscape sounds like what the final report will be</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Adam:</cite> start with charter - this
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might reduce number of task forces.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think that the
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landscape task force will contribute to the final
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deliverable</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, section in the
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XG report</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> Landscape/Business/other?
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task forces will probably contribute chapters to end
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deliverables.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> It is central to the
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XG's "view" on the world and its own work</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> Is there a need for a
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task force for Landscape when there are already plenty of sites
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covering social web?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/SocialWebXGCharter/results">
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/SocialWebXGCharter/results</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Results of Task
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Force Questionnaire from March.</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Karl:</cite> plenty of websites out
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there about the social web. Some business info, some
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development. Do we need yet another website for delivering
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information?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> General results
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from questionnaire had "business" and "landscape" merge, and
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with "Distributed Architecture" and "Interoperability" merging
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as well, with context and user-experience kept separate.</p>
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<p class='phone'>What should be on the wiki? How do we select
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info to include?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> hehe</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Christine:</cite> for people in the
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group to decide what's included. She's not married to any
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particular structure. Should be technical and lead to us
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identifying areas that need more attention.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> On the results of
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questionnaire, we had most popular task forces being 1)
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interoperability/distributed architecture 2) privacy and 3)
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user experience and 4) contextual data</p>
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<p class='phone'>Landscape can help us figure out if new
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technologies are needed, or maybe that no new technologies
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needed.</p>
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<p class='phone'>As most people seem to be interested in
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privacy, interop, etc, then perhaps not enough people
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interested in Landscape to do that work?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
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the group will create a task force focusing on "landscape and
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business." Christine Perey to lead task force and edit task
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force report.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Landscape would look at obstacles to growth of
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social web.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The whole point of
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the XG is future W3C standardization.</p>
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<p class='phone'>What work is already being done which could be
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standardised?</p>
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<p class='phone'>40/50 people telecons are not going to be
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productive, so task forces are almost a requirement.</p>
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<p class='phone'>How should it be dividided is the real
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question?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> 24 ppl on phone?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> the deliverables of
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Task Forces could drive the themes</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> oops sorry for
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coming in late</p>
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<p class='phone'>The landscape stuff should be what the
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*entire* XG is looking at. It's other topics that want task
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forces.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> hhalpin speaking
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now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> task forces
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should/would be focused on topics</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
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the group will three task forces: privacy; user experience and
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context.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Privacy seems to be
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very popular</p>
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<p class='phone'>Task forces for privacy, interop, another
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thing (anyone catch it?)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
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the group will three task forces: privacy; user experience and
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context. Landscape will be a deliverable of the main working
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group.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Ah, DKA has.</p>
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<p class='phone'>From this structure, the landscape should
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organically emerge.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> distributed
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architecture task force seems important too .</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> what about
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distributed/decentralized architectures?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> DKA< there was a
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fourth too: distributed architectures and data portability</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA has proposed a resolution to task forces.
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He agrees with hhalpin that Landscape is key.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Privacy, User
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Experience, Context, Distributed Architecture.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> That's 4. Perhaps
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too many.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> i think that
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interoperability and distributed may be interesting
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(merged)</p>
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<p class='phone'>Landscape still needs a leader even if it's
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being worked on by whole XG.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We could do a WBS
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Questionnaire.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> not too many, if
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there are sufficient people</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Landscape leader
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will be editor of final report deliverble.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> no need to delay
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getting a poll now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AlexPassant</cite>> +1 for merging
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distributed architecture and interoperability</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Privacy, User
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Experience, Context, Distributed Architecture.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> <a href=
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"http://delicious.com/search?p=social%20web%20privacy">Social
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Web Privacy on delicious</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +q</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Landscape=final
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deliverable?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> CPerey, yes.</p>
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<p class='phone'>I can't scribe and put myself on the
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queue.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Miguel Martin wanted
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to do the distributed architecture</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jsa:</cite> distributed architecture</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Distributed
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Architecture + Portability.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> it is of high
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interest</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> That's popular.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> Joaquin
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salvachua :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Joaquin.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> small goals are
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achievable.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>uldis</cite>> if landscape /
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overview is a deliverable of the main group, will there be
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anyone focusing on it? that is, if we don't mention such a
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group (for landscape), who will work on it?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jsalvachua:</cite> reintroduces himself.
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Interested in running distrib arch and portability.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Landscape will be
|
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worked on by the editors.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> I would be interested
|
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in working on that too, with jsvalchua</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> perfect petef
|
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:)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> no</p>
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<p class='phone'>Privacy, User Exp, Context - leaders?...
|
|
anyone?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> So, in general,
|
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each of the task force will contribute use-cases and add
|
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technical details to technical document.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Then towards end of
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XG lifespan, we synthesize this work collectively.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Does is make sense to combine them. Mischa
|
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says no.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Into landscape.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Which is given by
|
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the final report.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> hi Claudio!</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>claudio:</cite> interested in context,
|
|
but what is the scope?</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>claudio:</cite> talking to Philip Oscar
|
|
(?) to understand whether Telecom Italia (?) work might fit in
|
|
here or another group.</p>
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|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> The mission of this
|
|
task force is to document those principles which the task force
|
|
members believe to be the appropriate use & approaches to
|
|
control of abuse of contextual data in social networks. One of
|
|
the deliverables of this task force is a report mapping the
|
|
current uses of context in social networking. A best practices
|
|
guide could also be envisioned,</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> location,
|
|
proximity</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> christine's notes mention
|
|
context = location, proximity, more.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>What goes into context information? Mapping
|
|
them to existing standards/vocabs.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> For example of
|
|
context, look at this:</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/TR/dcontology/">http://www.w3.org/TR/dcontology/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Wide scope of context - abuse of context info
|
|
- is this better handled by privacy task force?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>claudio is mostly interested in context as in
|
|
device capabilities.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> maybe think
|
|
geolocation API, how does that work with an API like OpenSocial
|
|
or Social Data?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> people can hear him.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>He's from Garlik.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Looked into life logging and working out
|
|
autobiographies from web activity.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>AlexPassant, I knew it was some kind of silly
|
|
spelling.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>;-)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Interesting = Analysis of photographs to
|
|
figure out what people were doing at the time.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Misha refers to
|
|
work from Mor Naarman, <a href=
|
|
"http://infolab.stanford.edu/~mor/">http://infolab.stanford.edu/~mor/</a>
|
|
previously at Yahoo Berkeley now in New York</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The real key is
|
|
that likely all task-forces work will have to merge.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The entire point of
|
|
the task forces is to get small enough groups to allow
|
|
productive telecons to produce text.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> for the
|
|
deliverables and to have detailed technical conversations as
|
|
well.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Can mischa lead a task force or edit a
|
|
document about this? No, he's still working on PhD and that
|
|
takes much of his time. But he'll add his thoughts about
|
|
context to the wiki.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> ...but context also
|
|
includes more</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
|
|
the group will four task forces: privacy; user experience;
|
|
distributed architecture and context. Landscape will be a
|
|
deliverable of the main working group.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>claudio:</cite> Still thinks this is a
|
|
little too general. Probably not interested in leading context
|
|
task force. Context might have to be something which is
|
|
launched further along, not initially. Wait until needs are
|
|
clarified?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> context related
|
|
project in EU : <a href=
|
|
"http://livingknowledge-project.eu/">http://livingknowledge-project.eu/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We can always
|
|
launch a contextual task force later as needed, or do it in
|
|
larger group telecons.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ACTION mischat to write
|
|
some thoughts into the wiki on context, channeling Mor
|
|
Naaman.</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>dom</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to write some thoughts into
|
|
the wiki on context, channeling Mor Naaman [recorded in
|
|
<a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
|
|
the group will four task forces: privacy; user experience;
|
|
distributed architecture. Landscape and context documents will
|
|
be deliverables of the main working group.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> dom that dom :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> got that dom</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>me:</cite> Could context be an area of
|
|
user experience? Providing different experiences based on
|
|
context?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i only see 3
|
|
there</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> DKA s/four/three
|
|
?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hakan:</cite> we should have a look at
|
|
what's already been done in presence area. Can we use what's
|
|
already there?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> "the group will
|
|
initiate THREE task forces: privacy; user experience;
|
|
distributed architecture."</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hakan:</cite> will add links and info to
|
|
wiki about this topic.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Let's check to see
|
|
if we have a lead for privacy and user-experience.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>How can I add actions?</p><a name="action02"
|
|
id="action02"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hakan to provide some info into the
|
|
wiki on existing work on context. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>me:</cite> am interested in privacy, but
|
|
not enough to lead.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> this (presence work
|
|
in the past) is landscape!! thank you!!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> +1 on 2 or 3 for
|
|
starters being fine</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> It would be good to
|
|
have a precise description of what are the deliverables of each
|
|
task force.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Who wants to lead privacy; and user
|
|
experience?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Volunteers for
|
|
privacy task force?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I will be looking
|
|
at Access Control</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Is that
|
|
privacy?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> ach hh</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> precise definitions
|
|
of task forces are for the participants</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> The key is not just
|
|
to list technologies, but to inspect them.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to mischa's
|
|
comments</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> To determine what
|
|
are compatible with current user and business practice, both on
|
|
a social level and technical level.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> XRIs - are people
|
|
interested in these? Garlik can provide insight on what sort of
|
|
personal info is out there on the web. But what do people
|
|
want?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> However, note that
|
|
usage of XRIs *may* prove to be sticking point if W3C wanted to
|
|
push standards that use XRIs due to RF issues.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> This task force will
|
|
explore how specific approaches to ensuring user and user data
|
|
privacy and trust can improve the security and reduce risks of
|
|
users. This task force is also responsible for the development
|
|
of best practices recommendations on privacy in social
|
|
networks.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>"Best Practices for Privacy in Social
|
|
Networks" could be an outcome. What are people's perceptions of
|
|
privacy?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Can mischat provide information about privacy
|
|
on Wiki?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> yes i can add
|
|
to</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> wiki</p><a name=
|
|
"action03" id="action03"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to provide some data on
|
|
privacy to the wiki. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> 6 min to close of
|
|
meeting</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Do we still not
|
|
have a Privacy Task Force Leader?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Don't we have a privacy
|
|
leader??</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>Zakim</cite>> karl, you wanted to
|
|
tell about privacy scope</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> would be happy to lead on
|
|
privacy if the scope is very focussed.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Maybe give Karl an
|
|
action to clarify the privacy task force :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> user stories might be a way
|
|
to focus on what is needed.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1 to user
|
|
stories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> +1 to user
|
|
stories</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> User stories then
|
|
become part of use-case document...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> how is user stories
|
|
= or not to use cases?</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Karl to provide some user stories
|
|
regarding privacy. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>DKA supports the idea of user stories as a way
|
|
of exploring these topics - equally works for context.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> same question as
|
|
cperey</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Would someone want to provide context user
|
|
stories?</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Julian to provide some user stories
|
|
regarding context. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Cperey, pchampin:
|
|
user stories, once mature, will be part of use-case
|
|
document.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>julian could.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> if someone has a
|
|
template, i could probably contrib a tv-related
|
|
story</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Hakan to provide some user stories
|
|
regarding context. [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Someone else (who?) could.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> (actions are
|
|
good!)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>DKA = actions equal progress!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>karl</cite>> user stories will help
|
|
to refine task forces I guess</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Will Christine edit the landscape document?
|
|
Christine says yes.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I would be happy to
|
|
shape landscape wiki area</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Note that landscape
|
|
wiki = (probably equals) = editor of final report for W3C
|
|
:)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Oshani, do you want
|
|
an action on that context + privacy?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>oshani</cite>> sure</p><a name=
|
|
"action07" id="action07"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Oshani to provide use-cases for
|
|
privacy and context on wiki [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Editing a document vs contributing to wiki.
|
|
Wiki is good to start with, but we need to ultimately provide
|
|
documents.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Item #3 on agenda.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> danbri: "Can you
|
|
hear me? Is this thing on?"</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> no we cant hear
|
|
you</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> pls continue my
|
|
actions</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>Can't hear danbri.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> we should continue
|
|
this discussion abou how to work onj the next call</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> noting that harry
|
|
made a start, and i tweaked his page ...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='phone'>About time to finish off...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re wiki, i am
|
|
thinking something a bit like <a href=
|
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"http://esw.w3.org/topic/ScheduledTopicChat">http://esw.w3.org/topic/ScheduledTopicChat</a>
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in spirit but less IRC-ish</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> Was a slow start because
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of wiki editing issues, but here's a list of people we could
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invite here.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> hhalpin, i edited
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that a bit earlier</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> confirm that wiki
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editing works now :)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>me:</cite> I really want to look at OMB
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spec.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> hhalpin, my w3c
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user does not works for the wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re list of
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people/projects, i'd rather have a list of topics and problems
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...</p>
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<p class='phone'>Do we have consensus on having invited
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guests?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> +1 for biweekly guest
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telecons</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ... which is what i
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consider my action to address</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I would like to
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suggest that we have the guest telecons to be separately</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> jsalvachua: when
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was the last time you checked</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> 1 hour ago</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> not: "we'd like you
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to come and talk to us. " but "we'd like you to come and talk
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about x"</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: we
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should have guest speaker telecons - guests to be organized by
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chairs.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Guest telecons will be separate from main
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telecon. Will be bi-weekly.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> where my action is
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specifying some Xs and a template for X</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> but a task force
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telecon could happen in the same week as guest speaker
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telecon</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Maybe test for
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consensus or ask questions?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> can we add to list
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of Guest speakers ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> mischat: yes,
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that's why the guest speakers are on the wiki</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA(?): Main objection was that it might be a
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distraction, and information is already available in other
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ways, but that shouldn't stop us.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I would like there
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to be an effort to bring in Facebook as an invited guest</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> list of speakers
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id add: Kevin Marks (opensocial etc.) , Brad Fitzpatrick
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(Google social graph API)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: we
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should have optional guest speaker telecons - guests to be
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organized by chairs.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to the proposal.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> although there are
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already enough speakers on the wiki to last a year</p>
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<p class='phone'>It's always possible to skip particular guest
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telecons if you're not interested.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> lots of them will be
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too busy, for sure</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I have to sign
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off</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> we don't know who,
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so good to have a nice list</p>
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<p class='phone'>Some people listed on wiki might not be
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available.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Any objections?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> if we make it very
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problem-focussed we could get folk who might otherwise be
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unable to justify the time</p>
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<p class='phone'>PROPOSED RESOLUTION: we should have optional
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guest speaker telecons - guests to be organized by chairs.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Danbri: we can
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tweak the kind and type of inviation...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mib_4d0quw9x</cite>> +1 (Hakan)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: we
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should have optional guest speaker telecons - guests to be
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organized by chairs.</strong></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> :)</p><a name=
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"action08" id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin and danbri to invite guest
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speakers and investigate their schedule [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i pinged chris saad
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earlier re dataportability too</p>
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<p class='phone'>Evan P of OMB interested in contributing.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i can bring it up on
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next week's dataportability call too</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> karl: big news
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would definitely be important</p>
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<p class='phone'>Next week: pick up discussion on task
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forces.</p>
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<p class='phone'>Bye everyone!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> karl, looks
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interesting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat</cite>> bye all</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> bye everyone, only
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a few minutes over!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> thanks all, bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mib_4d0quw9x</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> cheers, sorry to be
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partially conneted</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jsalvachua</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AdamB</cite>> bye</p>
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<p class='phone'>Is there anything I need to do as scribe to
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finish off?</p>
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<p class='phone'>thanks</p>
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<p class='phone'>no problem.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> i don't miss me in the
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attendee</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>yuk</cite>> thank you</p>
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</div>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hakan to provide
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some info into the wiki on existing work on context. [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Hakan to provide
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some user stories regarding context. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin and
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danbri to invite guest speakers and investigate their schedule
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Julian to provide
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some user stories regarding context. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Karl to provide
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some user stories regarding privacy. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mischat to
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provide some data on privacy and context ( channeling Mor Naaman) to the wiki. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oshani to provide
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use-cases for privacy and context on wiki [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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