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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>04 Feb 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0009.html'>
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>michael, raphael, davy, thierry, yves, jack,
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Guillaume</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Erik</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Raphael</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>mhausenblas</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">ADMIN</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">FUTURE PARTICIPANTS</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">ISSUES</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">AOB</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 04 February
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Gui waves everybody,
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long time</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Dialing now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribenick:
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mhausenblas</p>
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<h3 id="item01">ADMIN</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> brb</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> +1 for accepting
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the minutes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> accept last week's
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telecon</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>minutes accepted</p><a name="action01" id=
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"action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> michael to review Use Cases and
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Requirements for Ontology and API for Media Object 1.0
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-39
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- Review Use Cases and Requirements for Ontology and API for
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Media Object 1.0 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]
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[on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-02-11].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- done</p>
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<p class='phone'>see <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jan/0095.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jan/0095.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> let's continue the
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discussion</p>
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<h3 id="item02">FUTURE PARTICIPANTS</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ACTION-18
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(DailyMotion)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> ACTION-21 (Cisco)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> ACTION-20 (Wolfgang)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<h3 id="item03">PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> will attend the SW
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co-ordination group and report on our MF work<br />
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... will report about the feedback</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-33:</cite> Raphael to start the
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template of the document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-33 Start
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the template of the document notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> will be available
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today</p>
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<p class='phone'>every person has a section responsible, please
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paste from Wiki and polish</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we use xmlspec</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> can we agree on
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syntax?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> in a minute</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> ABNF</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-27:</cite> Yves to propose by
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email a good list of units that can be used</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-27 Propose
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by email a good list of units that can be used notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- done</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> consensus to have px and
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percentage<br />
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... ongoing discussion on having cm, etc.<br />
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... jackjansen objects</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> had problems on Mac
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from Windows images having DPI measures</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> conclusion pc and % and
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give reason why cm, et. will not be supported<br />
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... see <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion</a><br />
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... will solicit feedback from the community</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> regarding aspect ratio
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...</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> general aspect ratios
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might not be useful</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Yves: aspect ratio
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to specify the region one would like to crop, for example write
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3:4 or 16:9</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Is there an actual
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section about the aspect ratio issue on the WIki?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> propose Yves to modify
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the current phrasing</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to rephrase <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions</a>
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to address the aspect ratio [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-40
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- Rephrase <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions</a>
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to address the aspect ratio [on Yves Lafon - due
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2009-02-11].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> Conclude syntax
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discussion ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> So aspect ratio is to
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help enforcing standard cropping?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> that would be the
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goal</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> usually ABNF</p>
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<p class='phone'>ahm, yeah ;)</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2234.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2234.txt</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> Augmented Backus-Naur
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Form</p>
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<p class='phone'>sorry.</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4234.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4234.txt</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> volunteer to transform
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into ABNF</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> volunteers to do
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it</p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to rewrite Syntax in ABNF based
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on RFC4234 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-41
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- Rewrite Syntax in ABNF based on RFC4234 [on Yves Lafon - due
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2009-02-11].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> UC<br />
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... went through all reviews</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Gui</cite>> true</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we need to take actions
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to implement changes</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Gui:</cite> Planned to do, still on the
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to do list</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> till when?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Gui:</cite> till next
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meeting</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Gui to incorporate changes proposed by
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reviewers till next meeting [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - Guillaume (Jean-Louis)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> trackbot,
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status</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> Existing Technologies
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Survey</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-24:</cite> Erik (through extra
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info from Felix) to ask Adobe (Larry) more info about
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xmpMM:Ingredients</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-24 (through
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extra info from Felix) to ask Adobe (Larry) more info about
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xmpMM:Ingredients notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- done</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-23:</cite> Erik (together with
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Jean-Pierre) to add TV-Anytime also to Existing Technologies
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Survey</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-23
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(together with Jean-Pierre) to add TV-Anytime also to Existing
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Technologies Survey notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-16:</cite> Erik to go through the
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email lists to list different solutions used to identify
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fragments, and populate the wiki</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-16 Go
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through the email lists to list different solutions used to
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identify fragments, and populate the wiki notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> HTTP implementation
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(Raphael)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-34:</cite> Jack to look at
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python-url library to see whether he could implement the logic
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on client side</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-34 Look at
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python-url library to see whether he could implement the logic
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on client side notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-35:</cite> Raphael to look at
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curl and/or wget to see whether the logic could be implemented
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on client side</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-35 Look at
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curl and/or wget to see whether the logic could be implemented
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on client side notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- continues</p>
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<h3 id="item04">ISSUES</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ACTION-37:</cite> Raphael to summarize
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the clip-combining discussion</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-37
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Summarize clip-combining discussion notes added</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- done</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> one comment from
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Silvia</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Discussion: it
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boils down to whether the media fragment is sees as in-context
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or out-of-context</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> suggest to people to
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use some method for out of context</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> jackjansen please update
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on the Wiki <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> currently doin it ..
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no need for an action</p>
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<p class='phone'>close ISSUE-1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-1 Combining
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Media Fragment URI with other time-clipping methods closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>ISSUE-3:</cite> Does our MF URI syntax
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imply that we need to update MIME Type registrations?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-3 Does our
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MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type
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registrations? notes added</p>
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<p class='phone'>see <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jan/0091.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jan/0091.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> ISSUE-3?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ISSUE-3 -- Does
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our MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type
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registrations? -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> see <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Semantics">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Semantics</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> TBL Quotes: "I
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think that it would be good to have a general rule for video/*
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that there is a common fragment identifier syntax and
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semantics. I think that the specification should claim all
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video/*. The W3C specification itself can be a media type
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specification... I think it can be registered in the registry
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as the spec for a MIME type."</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>jackjansen</cite>> I updated
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Discussion</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> will approach TAG
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officially</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> thought MPEG has its
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own hands on it?</p><a name="action05" id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to dig deeper into the video/*
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issue proposed by TimBL [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-42
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- Dig deeper into the video/* issue proposed by TimBL [on
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Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-02-11].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>jackjansen:</cite> IANA registry might
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be a starting point</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>davy:</cite> not aware of types MPEG
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has</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> we all have important
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actions (esp. ME) so let's work on it<br />
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... re Hypertext co-ordintation group</p>
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<h3 id="item05">AOB</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> part of the domain
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activity<br />
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... next Hypertext co-ordintation group meeting will be about
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Test Suites</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> will summaries my
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experiences and issues</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> gathering best
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practices</p>
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<p class='phone'>s/<strong>[DONE]</strong>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> michael to review Use
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Cases/<strong>[DONE]</strong> ACTION: michael to review Use
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Cases</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>raphael:</cite> thanks and see you next
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week</p>
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<p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Gui to
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incorporate changes proposed by reviewers till next meeting
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to dig
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deeper into the video/* issue proposed by TimBL [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> michael to review
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Use Cases and Requirements for Ontology and API for Media Object
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1.0 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to rephrase
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions</a>
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to address the aspect ratio [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Yves to rewrite
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Syntax in ABNF based on RFC4234 [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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