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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
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<h1>Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>27 Jan 2009</h2>
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<p><a href=
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>pchampin, Thierry, wbailer, raphael, joakim, veronique,
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tobias, wonsuk, victor, thierry, werner, rapahel</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Frank, Felix, Michel_Jean_Pierre</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>SV_MEETING_CHAIR</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>joakim</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Actions points</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 27 January
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2009</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Thierry, I muted
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you, you made a lot of noise :-(</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I get a terrible
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BUZZZZZZ</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> thierry, are you
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skyping?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> No I am using a
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phone over IP, but I can't hear a thing</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> I will redial
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in</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> It is much better
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now</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> We have regrets
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from Felix,</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Michele Minno
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,Jean-Pierre</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Looking for a
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vulunteer to scribe ...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> Scribe:joakim</p>
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<p class='phone'>co-chair Daniel will be back soon</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> There was a meeting
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?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Last week telecom meetings are not on the
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web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> There was a
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meeting, and the minutes are at <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> The scribe should
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send the minutes with the URI</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> The Media Fragments
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WG keep the minutes in the same web space, but remove the
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'draft' when the minutes have been fixed and approved</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Actions points</h3>
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<p class='phone'>The Scribe should mail the edited minutes to
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the public mail list</p>
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<p class='phone'>Should we include Victor's contribution
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"Multimedia Presentation material" to the uc document?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Is it <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0049.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0049.html</a>
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?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> Action 55 was
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attended here:</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - 55</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/att-0049/00-part">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/att-0049/00-part</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> We got no comments
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on the email</p>
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<p class='phone'>who has read the document, and has an
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opinion?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> it's important, but maybe
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it should hold cross all use cases?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> Does any other Use
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Case support Requirement 7?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> I think that it
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is a very interesting topic but i think that it is mostly
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related to the ongoing question of considering complex/simple
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models, maybe the latter question should be answered first?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Victor:</cite> Is it possible to change
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an existing use case and include no / into that one?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> The UC7 could be
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incorporated into cultural heritage UC!</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>wbailer</cite>> agree to including
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it in CH use case, maybe also in MM adaptation (if we make a
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use case out of that)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> This is related to the
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question of the complexity of the model</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I also think this
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text should go in the CH use case</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Victor:</cite> Add a sentence to the CH
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description</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> By changing the last
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paragraph....</p>
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<p class='phone'>Action 55 is now about reformulating th CH
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description</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - 55</p>
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<p class='phone'>regret+ tobias</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> good job Werner,
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Frank :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> many mpeg-7 properties
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could be mapped to XMP, but some are not covered in XMP</p>
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<p class='phone'>We discuss later how to alter the mapping
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agenda</p>
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<p class='phone'>close 74</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-74</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-74 Review
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SMPTE closed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> close ACTION-73</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-73 review
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with werner MPEG-7 closed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0061.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0061.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> done already</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> has been done
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already the last time</p>
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<p class='phone'>Pierre Antoine: The DC/DCTerm disucssuion is
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open on the mailinglist</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> Don't agree that the main
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question is about the API</p>
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<p class='phone'>can you speak louder?</p>
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<p class='phone'>better</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> We should also define the low
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level meaning of the propoerties, not only the high level
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semantics</p>
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<p class='phone'>cant hear</p>
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<p class='phone'>How can we define the low level mapping?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> I do see some
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problems to have discrepancies between having on one hand a
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lightweight semantics for the creator property (accept string
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value) in the API and on the other hand another semantics for
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the same property (URI value) in the ontology</p>
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<p class='phone'>we could define the target of the properties
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precisely</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tmichel</cite>> how could that be
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done ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> we should have an Ontology
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that define this</p>
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<p class='phone'>Can raphael explain his point?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Zakim ??P18 is
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me</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Should it be two
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different return values</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> If we map according to the
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mapping table, it would return very hetrogenus values<br />
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... Prefer to be more formal in the Ontology</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> but I agree that
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we could also be formal only at the API level</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>joakim:</cite> we could be practical
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doing toy applications and decide after how to cope with the
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proble,</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> agrees that we should be
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practical as soon as possible</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> based on what?</p>
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<p class='phone'>PA. we should aim at making an intermediate
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representation</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> We should have a more precise
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idea of the global structure of the API</p>
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<p class='phone'>We should have a common view of the complexity
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level before implmenting</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> we can also have
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different levels of complexity of the representations, domain
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dependant?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Does any one have a suggestion on how to move
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on?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>> DC and VRA and
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XMP exist in RDF, then we can use rdf-ways of representing
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mappings</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> We can use the level
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of mapping/link representation found in existing
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implmentations</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> the level is different in
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different implementations<br />
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... Maybe to propose some example code for each case</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> divide the problem per use
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case<br />
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... it should work whatever the format</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> Raphael: does it
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mean then that implementation = 1/ (python/java/pick_yours)
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code expressing mappings between some properties ; 2/
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(owl/skos) code expressing mappings between some properties,
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etc. ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> the code doesnt have to
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represent the mapping<br />
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... the mapping should be hidden</p>
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<p class='phone'>Either a mapping relationship or an
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ontology</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> but the mapping
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itself has to be represented</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>raphael</cite>> or ... being not
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exclusive, it could be both :-)</p>
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<p class='phone'>the mapping should be hidden to the
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developer</p>
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<p class='phone'>agree</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>PA:</cite> Was thinking about writing
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code showing how to use our API<br />
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... Write code that illustrates how to use our API</p>
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<p class='phone'>can PA start to draft a use case?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>pchampin</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='phone'>we did not have time to finish the agenda</p>
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<p class='phone'>our first public document was published last
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monday</p>
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<p class='phone'>we have telecon next week same time</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Victor:</cite> Will attend the MPEG
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meeting next week</p>
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<p class='phone'>respond to Victors PPT before the end of the
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week</p>
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<p class='phone'>we should start to collect updates for the UC
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doc</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> ok</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> goodbye!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tobias</cite>> Tobias: regarding
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action-66: sent it to the list already on the 19th</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> ciao!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Victor</cite>> i was also
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attendee!</p>
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<p class='phone'>@+</p>
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