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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>MAWG</h1>
<h2>17 Feb 2009</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>chris, daniel, fsasaki, joakim, michel, tmichel, tobias,
victor, wbailer, wonsuk</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Joakim</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Tobias</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Discussion about comments from Dan
Connolly</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; scribe: Tobias</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>victor</cite>&gt; Hello</p>
<p class='phone'>Next meeting: Tuesday, 24.02. 13:00-14:00
UTC</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; I can't make a call
due to unknown problem in my office. I moved to a new office
here yesterday but I don't know what problem happens...</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Joakim, I will be
only on the IRC...</p>
<p class='phone'>Scribe for next tuesday: Veronique</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0078.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0078.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wbailer</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/SetOnMetamodel">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/SetOnMetamodel</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Werner on ACTION-47: did not yet succeed a
really good example...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> but discovered good work
on metadata crosswalks</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> will send pointers on
metadata crosswalks<br />
... some work on crosswalks done by PB Core (how to discover
mappings) and from OCL (Crosswalk Service)<br />
... both also discuss datatype mismatches and mapping problems,
and also structural mapping problems</p><a name="action01" id=
"action01"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim and Werner will look into the
Google Dataset API [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-87
- And Werner will look into the Google Dataset API [on Joakim
Söderberg - due 2009-02-24].</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-47 --- continued</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-54 --- continued</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-80 --continues</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-82 -- continues</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/83">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/83</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; my connexion is
slow</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; not good for
voice</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; could you remind
me the title of A83?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; no progress</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>title:</cite> review id-3</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; sorry</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> suggests to close the
action and to re-assign once we decided how to go on with the
mappings.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>close:</cite> ACTION-83</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/84">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/84</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-84 ---continues</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> will send the input on
ACTION-84 today.</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-85 --- continues</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> will be pending for two
weeks</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> this might collide with
the deadline for the documents.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>chris_ibbt</cite>&gt; same here</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> We got a lot of comments
about the use cases; the most important things of the
deliverable are however the requirements for which we did not
get many comments.<br />
... We can be fast in moving the requirements document
forwards.</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-85 -- continues</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>close:</cite> ACTION-86</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0060.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0060.html</a></p>
<h3 id="item01">Discussion about comments from Dan
Connolly</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> dan Connolly pointed out
that we should be more careful about the terminology.<br />
... ... agrees with Dan's proposal<br />
... Does the working group agree with Dan's proposal?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I could send a
proposal to the mailing list about rephrasing the
terminology</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; and the group
could discuss if it is clearer :)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I agree that the
terminology should be further defined in the document</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> does the working group
oppose with the comments from Dan?</p>
<p class='phone'>The working group agreed with the comment from
Dan and there is no objection against the comment. Proposal is
accepted.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>daniel</cite>&gt; Dan's suggestion as
*design principle* seems to me more broad than *requirements*
and there are already lots of *requirements* draft within
W3C</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://liris.cnrs.fr/~pchampin/wsgi/mawg/">http://liris.cnrs.fr/~pchampin/wsgi/mawg/</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl">
http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Joakim Topic: Toy applications</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> there has been also a
proposal by Wonsuk to discuss toy application issues in the
Wiki.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> Played with the toy
applications...<br />
... ...common property: existing APIs are used for the reading
steps...<br />
... ...a series of if-then-else statements are implemented for
the mapping ("if its of property A map it to property
B")...<br />
... ...it would be good to have clearer descriptions of the
applications.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Questions to
Pierre-Antoine: do you have to add something regarding your
application?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> what do people think about
the common parts of the toy applications?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.htm">
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.htm</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.xls">
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090216_common.xls</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> any comments about the
mapping tables?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Werner:</cite> there is an issue with
the smpte and dms-1 mapping (he sent an email today)<br />
... It would make sense to have DMS-1 seperately.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Collaboration on the
sheet would be helpful, i.e. people should take of "his/her"
format</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; I can review the
VRA sheet. There are two mapings proposed between VRA an Dublin
Core, shall I send these examples to the list too?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>joakim</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0038.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Feb/0038.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>VeroniqueM</cite>&gt; There are two
mapings proposed between VRA an Dublin Core in RDF, shall I
send these examples to the list?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> Problems to see relations
between table and API</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Veronique:</cite> W3C has mappings
between VRA and Dublin Core (they are expressed in RDF)<br />
... Will send the mappings to the list.<br />
... there are not many relations between properties; e.g. the
can be broader,narrower or equal (not much more)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> Complete list would be
very helpful.<br />
... where does the information on the mapping come from, i.e.
how it would work with the formalisation.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Feilx:</cite> Sent a mail to Raphael and
he will probably come back to this.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> added the properties that
Veronique proposed (exact, more general, more specific,
related)<br />
... to the excel mapping table</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> The mapping table is
important and should be a main part of the ontology...perhaps
we should even consider publishing the table?<br />
... Would propose a mapping table that is feasible for
publication. Would be good to get feedback.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> likes the idea because we
might attract interest from others.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1 for felix</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Everyone should do the
editing of "his" format in the table<br />
... once we have a more preliminary version then we can publish
it</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> we should give ourselves
deadlines on that.</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; +1 for Joakim &amp;
Felix</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> We should write a mail to
the list that we plan to publish the table around the 17th of
March (or as soon as possible)<br />
... and whether people agree.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Joakim:</cite> Will write the
mail.</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to To gather material for
publishing a recommendation track working draft [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-88
- Gather material for publishing a recommendation track working
draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-02-24].</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>wonsuk</cite>&gt; What is the
recommendation track working draft ? Ontology and API Docs
?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Felix:</cite> regrets for next week; he
hopes to join the group as an "Invited Expert" soon<br />
... he already triggered the process.</p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to To
gather material for publishing a recommendation track working
draft [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Joakim and Werner
will look into the Google Dataset API [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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