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<body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
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border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>Media Annotations
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WG</h1><h2>18 Nov 2008</h2><p><a
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href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0080.html">
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Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-irc">IRC
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log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
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<dl>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>ruben, tobias, Marc_Schroeder, Felix, wonsuk, werner, Veronique, jean-pierre, hui,
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Pierre-Antoine, daniel</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Raphael, Davy, Frank</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Felix</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>VeroniqueM</dd>
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</div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
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<li>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Agenda review / approval of previous minutes</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Selection of scribe for next meeting</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Action items</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">Upcoming meetings / time schedule</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item05">XMP review</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item06">Draft for Use cases and requirements document</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item07">Multilevel description review</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item08">Proposal for ontology and api structure</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item09">transmission.cc</a></li>
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</ol></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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</ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><p class="irc"><<cite>Daniel</cite>> I just participate in
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IRC due to call trouble in minneapolis. sorry</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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scribe: VeroniqueM</p><h3 id="item01">Agenda review / approval of previous minutes</h3><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0080.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0080.html</a></p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/11-mediaann-minutes.html"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/11/11-mediaann-minutes.html</a></p><p class="phone">previous
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minutes are approved</p><h3 id="item02">Selection of scribe for next meeting</h3><p
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class="phone">next scribe: Joakim</p><h3 id="item03">Action items</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> ACTION-22 - pending, waiting for feedback</p><p
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class="phone"><a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/22"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/22</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-32</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-32 Make a liaison with MPEG using information from the
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XP homepage closed</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> ACTION-33 - pending,
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waiting for feedback</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-34</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-34 Contact Open IPTV forum closed</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>Daniel</cite>> who's responsible for ACTION-32 MPEG liaison ?</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> close ACTION-36</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-36 Make a liaison with OMA closed</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Daniel, that was you, no?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>Daniel</cite>> yes, me</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> ok.
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Should we keep the action item open?</p><p class="irc"><<cite>Daniel</cite>> I am in
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Minneapolis and at room, but internet line is not good for making a call</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> ok. I will keep ACTION-32 open for now.</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>vrodrgue</cite>> Ruben and me were causing noise because of acoustic
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coupling. We will share microphone and bother no more)</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>Daniel</cite>> No, who should work for ACTION32 ?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Daniel, maybe we can discuss this then you are back on the
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phone, and keep the action-32 just open for now. OK?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>Daniel</cite>> no problem</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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ACTION-37 - Write a mail about the general structure of the use cases / req document -
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pending</p><h3 id="item04">Upcoming meetings / time schedule</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> two more meetings before f2f. Goal before f2f:</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> - finish XMP review, please look into <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/XMP"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/XMP</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> - make progress with use case / requirements document</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> - have a list of core questions about our scope,
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see "URI as value" and "proposal for ontology and API" thread</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> Goals at f2f:</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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a) 1 day for use case / requirements document</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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b) 1/2 day for finding answers to the "scope" related questions</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> c) 1/2 day to distribute and start work: people looking into
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mapping specific, existing formats to XMP, plus other work items related to b)</p><p
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class="phone">there are several questions to be answered before we can move on: what level
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of abstraction do we want, structured model or flat one, uri question etc.</p><p
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class="phone">at the f2f we could try to define the scope of the ontology</p><p
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class="phone">at the f2f we could try to define the scope of the ontologyand define
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properties to map</p><p class="phone">topics to be moved forward in the next calls and f2f
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meeting</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> veronique: for the use case / req
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document we need input from the people who contributed</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> .. bilateral discussions with the editors could be
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useful</p><p class="phone"><cite>Werner:</cite> we need a better dfinition of what is
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expected from the use cases in terms of requirements</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite>
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two approaches are possible.. define use cases very clearly.. and define requirements and
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level of complexity.. other choice is starting from existing ontologies.. and define what
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complexity is needed in them<br/> ... we need to decide if we want the sequential approach:
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use case -> requirements -> api<br/> ... or work in parallel</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>Werner:</cite> the idea is not to create the ontology to cover all the needs from
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the use cases<br/> ... but check out the requirements and models that are relevant for
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more<br/> ... these will have more impact</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> f2f we
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can discuss the two drafts: api and requirement document</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> veronique: idea to send use case on the list and the
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contributor could say "this was the intended meaning"</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> veronquie: video use case is very vague</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/VideoUC"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/VideoUC</a></p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> veronique: all use cases have some sentences which are
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unclear</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> maybe an idea could be for the contributors
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of each use case to clarify them, or another possibility could be to simplify these
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descriptions</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> veronique: having a template
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might help</p><a name="action01" id="action01"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> 37 to Felix to make a proposal for a template to describe the use
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cases [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - 37</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>Daniel</cite>> good idea for having a template for the use cases</p><p
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class="phone">ACTION 37 Felix to make a proposal for a template to describe the use
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cases</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - 37</p><h3
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id="item05">XMP review</h3><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/XMP"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/XMP</a></p><p class="phone">Thierry
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contributed to the Dublin Core section</p><p class="phone">do people have specific ideas
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about a simple representation vs multilayer, or should this topic be discussed later,
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rather?</p><h3 id="item06">Draft for Use cases and requirements document</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> veronique: I am rewriting the introduction, merging it with
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different views</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> .. use cases related to
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media, context etc.</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VictorR</cite>> it is fine</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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.. cultural heritage is another one</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1</p><h3
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id="item07">Multilevel description review</h3><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MultilevelDescriptionReview">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MultilevelDescriptionReview</a></p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> could Ruben make a short introduction of his
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document/</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> I've a problem with the micro</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> np, waiting</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>rtous</cite>> I can do it by IRC</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> yes, go ahead</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> We
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have identified several aspects related to multi-level description</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>rtous</cite>> I've added a table to the end of the page</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>rtous</cite>> 1) different abstractions
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(work-manifestation-instance-item)</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> 2)
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intellectual property aspects (MVCO)</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> 3)
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collections</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> 4) whole/part</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>rtous</cite>> 5) creation workflow (derived from)</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>rtous</cite>> My conclusion:</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>>
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Resources are related, we should at least keep some links between them</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>rtous</cite>> Like "dc:source" "dc:relation", etc</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasb</cite>> I also would suggest to have a look at the FRBR
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relations</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> however the possibility of a more
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complex structure should be considered</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> this is
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all</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> thanks</p><p class="phone">Slivia: maybe as
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was suggested by Silvia on the mailing list, these relations (FRBR) are related to
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collection management</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0076.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0076.html</a></p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> (mail from Silvia)</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VictorR</cite>> they are not necessarility to collection management</p><p
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class="phone">Veronique: and we should not include a complex model in our ontology, but be
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able to "plug into" complex models</p><p class="phone">Veronique: no, agreed, but they are
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very "context dependent", somehow</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VictorR</cite>> This idea
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of plugging more complex models sounds reasonable</p><p class="phone">Veronique: that could
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be part of the requirements for tasks-related use cases</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>wbailer</cite>> the plug-in could define specialisations of concepts in the
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core model, eg a more specific type of relation between resources</p><a name="action02"
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id="action02"/>
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<p class="irc"><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> VeroniqueM to send around an exemple of what she means with
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"plugging into complex model" [recorded in <a
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href="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueM</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>Felix:</cite> are there other thoughts on Ruben's document?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VictorR</cite>> I do naturally agree with Ruben´s document.</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>wbailer</cite>> it provides a very good overview</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasb</cite>> +1</p><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>> +1</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>Daniel</cite>> +1</p><h3 id="item08">Proposal for ontology and api
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structure</h3><p class="irc"><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html">
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http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html</a></p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we had some discussions on the mailing list<br/> ...
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related to a proposal from MPEG<br/> ... also working on an API<br/> ... discussion about
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standalone format/not<br/> ... we can discuss this here too: what do people think?</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>VictorR</cite>> MPEG´s API (called MXM) is still in an early stage
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but has interesting points to look at</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VictorR</cite>> [I
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participate also in its writting]</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VictorR</cite>> Yes, it is
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OK, together with Christian Timmerer</p><p class="phone">ACTION to VictoR to look into the
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MPEG API</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user -
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to</p><p class="phone">ACTION VictoR to look into the MPEG API</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - VictoR</p><p class="phone"
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>ACTION VictorR to look into the MPEG API</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>>
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Sorry, couldn't find user - VictorR</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we could discuss
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the structure of the ontology</p><p class="phone"><cite>Tobias:</cite> depends on the use
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cases and requirements, what type of structure we want<br/> ... list is ok if the use cases
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can be fulfilled with that<br/> ... otherwise need of a more complex structure</p><p
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class="phone">ACTION Felix to draft a first agenda for the f2f meeting</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-38 - Draft a first agenda for the f2f
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meeting [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-11-25].</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we
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should include a slot for this topic</p><h3 id="item09">transmission.cc</h3><p class="irc"
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><<cite>fsasaki</cite>>
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<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0030.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0030.html</a></p><p
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class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we had feedback about this from a person from Yahoo!<br/>
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... but did not get his info yet<br/> ... does anyone has opinions about this format?<br/>
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... format is transmission cc</p><p class="phone"><cite>Tobias:</cite> format supposed to be
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simpler than media rss<br/> ... but can't really see the difference</p><p class="phone"
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><cite>Felix:</cite> google youtube API also uses mediaRSS, not sure if the use
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transmission.cc</p><p class="irc"><<cite>tobiasb</cite>> One difference is that TXFeed
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explicitely allows to reference external databases for metadata, videos and subtitle
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databases.</p><p class="phone">ACTION Tobias to put description about transmission cc in
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Wiki</p><p class="irc"><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-39 - Put description
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about transmission cc in Wiki [on Tobias Bürger - due 2008-11-25].</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>js</cite>> Hi, Sorry for checking inlate I misstken the time</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>vrodrgue</cite>> Thanks you, all</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>tobiasb</cite>> bye!</p><p class="irc"><<cite>rtous</cite>> bye</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>wonsuk</cite>> bye</p><p class="irc"><<cite>js</cite>>
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logout</p><p class="irc"><<cite>hui</cite>> bye</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>erik</cite>> Felix ... For the 2nd F2F @ Ghent, Media Annotations has 9 (live)
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participants so far (Daniel, Tobias, Jean-Pierre, WonSuk, Joakim, Frank, Felix, Victor,
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Werner)</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> ... but only three have already booked
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their hotel (Daniel, Felix, Joakim) ... I just hope the other ones have booked elsewhere, or
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will book soon ... just letting you all know</p><p class="irc"><<cite>tobiasb</cite>>
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I also booked a hotel already...</p><p class="irc"><<cite>Daniel</cite>> thanks Erik
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for your info.</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> Hope to be able to call in next
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time and give some more info</p><p class="irc"><<cite>erik</cite>> bye</p><p
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class="irc"><<cite>Daniel</cite>> thanks Felix</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VictorR2</cite>> Hello,</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VictorR2</cite>> I have
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booked the hotel, too.</p><p class="irc"><<cite>VictorR2</cite>> Veronique, What about
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the Action you wanted to create and you failed to?</p><p class="irc"
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><<cite>VictorR2</cite>> was it anything about my User name?</p><p class="phone"
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>logout</p></div><h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> 37 to Felix to make a proposal for a template to describe the use cases
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[recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
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>http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> VeroniqueM to send around an exemple of what she means with "plugging
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51
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Check for newer version at <a href="http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Succeeded: s/Joachim/Joakim/
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Succeeded: s/Minneapoils/Minneapolis/
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Succeeded: s/vaque/vague/
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Succeeded: s/??/Thierry/
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Succeeded: s/contributes/contributed/
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Succeeded: s/is an input for (their?) API/also uses mediaRSS, not sure if the use transmission.cc/
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Found Scribe: joakim
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Found Scribe: VeroniqueM
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Inferring ScribeNick: VeroniqueM
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Scribes: joakim, VeroniqueM
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Default Present: +41.22.717.aaaa, Marc_Schroeder, Felix, tobiasb, wonsuk, ruben, jean-pierre, wbailer, VeroniqueM, +95177aabb, pchampin, +46.8.75.7.aacc
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Present: ruben tobiasb Marc_Schroeder.a Felix wonsuk wbailer VeroniqueM jean-pierre hui pchampin daniel
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Regrets: Raphael Davy Frank
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Agenda: <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0080.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0080.html</a>
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Got date from IRC log name: 18 Nov 2008
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html</a>
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People with action items: 37 veroniquem
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