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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>01 Dec 2010</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Nov/0045.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>erik, raphael, foolip, tomayac, silvia, Yves</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Davy</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Raphael, Erik</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>raphael</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1. ADMIN</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2. MEDIA FRAGMENT
SPECIFICATION:</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">HTML5 Bugg</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">4. Test Cases</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">5. AOB</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
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<div class="meeting">
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 01 December
2010</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. ADMIN</h3>
<p class='phone'>Goal today is mainly to approve some text
changes, /cc silvia foolip</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: raphael</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribenick:
raphael</p>
<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last
week telecon:</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='phone'>minutes are approved</p>
<p class='phone'>Call for HTML5 + WHATWG to comment on the
spec</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Nov/thread.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Nov/thread.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-November/thread.html">
http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-November/thread.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>no discussion</p>
<p class='phone'>No comments either from indivudals
requested</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> should this block to us
to go to CR?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> no for CR stage, only at
PR</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; also no comment is
assent ;)</p>
<h3 id="item02">2. MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION:</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-192?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-192 -- Davy
Van Deursen to update the specification to state what the
processing should do when media fragments request (time
dimension) does not match exactly how the media item has been
encoded -- due 2010-11-08 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/192">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/192</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-192</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-192 Update
the specification to state what the processing should do when
media fragments request (time dimension) does not match exactly
how the media item has been encoded closed</p>
<p class='phone'>"When there is a mismatch between the SMPTE
time code used by the UA and the encoding settings of the
requested media resource (e.g., use of smpte-25 time code when
the media resource is encoded at 30fps), the server MUST ignore
the RANGE header and returns the whole resource (i.e., a 200).
"</p>
<p class='phone'>in section 6.2.5</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> no objection for this
change?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> good</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; none</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-193?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-193 -- Erik
Mannens to make a schema for the server redirect recipe -- due
2010-11-08 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/193">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/193</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-193</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-193 Make a
schema for the server redirect recipe closed</p>
<p class='phone'>See the figure in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#server-triggered-redirect">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#server-triggered-redirect</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; ACTION-192 should
also say what clients should do for #t=smpt:...</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> there is a request with
a fragment URI and a 30x response with another fragment in the
header, which is the situation described in the latest TAG
resolution, see <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Nov/0107.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Nov/0107.html</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; Note that if there is
a redirect to a fragment, we should explain the precedence
rules for the UA (once the content after the redirect is
fetched, to have the right CT)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; (actually in 5.2.1
Location have no hash, so no issue there)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> actually, the location has
no has, only the link, so it is ok</p>
<p class='phone'>foolip, this is fully specified in the recipe,
what do you think is missing?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> is mapping between smpte
and bytes can be done on UA side, then recipe 5.1.1, otherwise,
recipe 5.1.2</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-194?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-194 --
Raphaël Troncy to add an intro paragraph in the section 5 to
explain which recipes is useful for which dimension -- due
2010-11-08 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/194">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/194</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-194</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-194 Add an
intro paragraph in the section 5 to explain which recipes is
useful for which dimension closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Read the first paragraph at <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-processing">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-processing</a></p>
<p class='phone'>silvia, foolip, could you read this paragraph
and states if you have objections</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> good, but we should add
that this always happen in a particular context<br />
... i.e., within a media element for example</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; hmm, is some of this
not rather appropriate for the "implementation" section?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> so we hint that this is a
media resource</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; all "recipes" may be
applied only if the contex hints that it should be a video</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; (or media resource in
general)</p>
<p class='phone'>Silvia, I had an action to clarify which
recipe is made for what ... and I use MAY as it is the most
sensible option</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; what if it is just
the browser url bar?</p>
<p class='phone'>Silvia, then we go to 7.1 and your
paragraph</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; regular download,
however an UA might interrupt and use a recipe</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; Yves, so in the url
bar, the browser would start downloading the resource without
the fragment, then realize it is a media resource, then do byte
ranges?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; might</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; makes sense</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-197?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-197 --
Raphaël Troncy to also add in the intro of Section 5 a
paragraph explaining the optimistic processing of fragments
(using ranges in seconds) -- due 2010-11-09 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/197">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/197</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-197</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-197 Also
add in the intro of Section 5 a paragraph explaining the
optimistic processing of fragments (using ranges in seconds)
closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Read the second paragraph at <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-processing">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-processing</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> 1st paragraph should state
that the MIME TYPE of the resource is known to be media</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> 2n paragraph is when
don't know yet, thus the optimization</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; exceptthe first
5.1.2 reference should be a 5.1.1 reference</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> change the "it is
recommended" by a MAY</p>
<p class='phone'>No silvia, we don't have any information about
the resource ... no MIME type, no header</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> impossible to do
5.1.1</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; My only issue is
that OGG is spelled Ogg.</p>
<p class='phone'>thanks foolip</p>
<p class='phone'>so I will do these changes</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; as soon as the media
element is set up, it is clear</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-198?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-198 --
Raphaël Troncy to edit section 7.1 for taking into account the
cropping resolution -- due 2010-11-09 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/198">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/198</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-198</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-198 Edit
section 7.1 for taking into account the cropping resolution
closed</p>
<p class='phone'>Section 7.1: "For spatial URI fragments, the
next section describes two distinct use cases, highlighting and
cropping. HTML rendering clients are expected to implement
cropping as the default rendering mechanism. "</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; bummer, but makes
sense from a "fragment" point of view</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-199?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-199 --
Raphaël Troncy to add a clarification text regarding the
purpose of the grammar -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-200?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-200 --
Raphaël Troncy to send a proposal to close ISSUE-19 that
consists in: clarification text + normative parsing algorithm
-- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; would be happy to
remove any reference to "highlighting"</p>
<p class='phone'>both pending for now, will be done after the
telecon</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-201?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-201 --
Silvia Pfeiffer to write a paragraph, note to developers, that
they can easily implement a javascript to forward the hash on
the URI to the video element -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/201">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/201</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-201</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-201 Write a
paragraph, note to developers, that they can easily implement a
javascript to forward the hash on the URI to the video element
closed</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; New section in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-webapps">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-webapps</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Could you read what Silvia has written?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; seems to be an example
of what can be done, it should be marked as such (as it could
be seen as being normative)</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; it is written under
the condition that HTML5 media elements will support media
fragment, btw</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> the entire section is
informative</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; do we have a
solution for setting 2 videos on a page to say the first 20secs
in, and the second 30secs in?</p>
<p class='phone'>No tomayac</p>
<p class='phone'>should we?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; maybe</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; tomayac, I had an
example for it, but I don't think it's necessary</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; if you have more
than one video on a page, it's likely to be a gallery-type use
case and fragments don't make much sense</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; it is not linked to
media fragment, but how to send compound state to a js
application that will put the mediafrag on the src elements</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Yves</cite>&gt; there is no direct
relationship between a fragment on an html page and fragments
on video elements within that page</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; agreed. use case
might be to set the thumbs (stills) appropriately</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; tomayac, that would
require a temporal media fragment of no duration</p>
<p class='phone'>silvia, text is agreed, thanks!</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-202?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-202 --
Silvia Pfeiffer to draft the paragraph that the group will
propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment
URI should be done -- due 2010-12-01 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202</a></p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; yepp, basically was
just wondering</p>
<h3 id="item03">HTML5 Bugg</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; let me call in for
this one - it needs a discussion</p>
<p class='phone'>silvia, did you this one?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; <a href=
"https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_Media_Fragments">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_Media_Fragments</a></p><a name="action01"
id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> tomayac to build a media fragment URI
parser in javascript [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
find user - tomayac</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Thomas to build a media fragment URI
parser in javascript [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-203
- Build a media fragment URI parser in javascript [on Thomas
Steiner - due 2010-12-08].</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; please read above
link for action 202</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I like it</p>
<p class='phone'>foolip, could you read <a href=
"https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_Media_Fragments">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_Media_Fragments</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> foolip, we want to use
this to reopen HTML5 bug closed by Ian</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; at least to restart
the discussion</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-202?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-202 --
Silvia Pfeiffer to draft the paragraph that the group will
propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment
URI should be done -- due 2010-12-01 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202</a></p>
<p class='phone'>HTML5 bug is at: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723">http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I will complete this text
and mail the list before re-opening the bug<br />
... action is still pending</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; I want us to discuss
- have we considered everything? is something missing?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; sounds ok after 2nd
read</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-173?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-173 -- Yves
Lafon to produce the code that will check the grammar of both
the URI syntax and the Headers syntax -- due 2010-06-22 --
OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/173">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/173</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the code is up to date with
respect to the hours optional in npt format for the time
dimension</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-173</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-173 Produce
the code that will check the grammar of both the URI syntax and
the Headers syntax closed</p><a name="action03" id=
"action03"></a>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
<strong>ACTION:</strong> yves to produce the code that will
check the grammar of the Headers syntax [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-204
- Produce the code that will check the grammar of the Headers
syntax [on Yves Lafon - due 2010-12-08].</p>
<h3 id="item04">4. Test Cases</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTIOn-168?</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-168 -- Davy
Van Deursen to investigate how the automatic test suite could
also be done for evaluating the UA behavior -- due 2010-06-02
-- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I suggest we have
dedicated telecon about test cases after CR transition<br />
... I think once the few remaining spec edit are done, we
should transition</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; +1</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> we need to close all issues
too</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> goal is to have all
ISSUE close by next week<br />
... in order to make sure issuers are happy<br />
... and transition to CR</p>
<h3 id="item05">5. AOB</h3>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tomayac</cite>&gt; n/a</p>
<p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; thanks!</p>
<p class='phone'>meeting adjourned</p>
</div>
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Thomas to build a
media fragment URI parser in javascript [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tomayac to build
a media fragment URI parser in javascript [recorded in <a href=
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> yves to produce
the code that will check the grammar of the Headers syntax
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