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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
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<h2>26 May 2010</h2>
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<p><a href=
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Agenda</a></p>
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<p>See also: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dt>Present</dt>
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<dd>Michael, Erik, Raphael, Davy, Silvia, (irc)</dd>
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>Silvia</dd>
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<dt>Chair</dt>
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<dd>Erik, Raphael</dd>
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<dt>Scribe</dt>
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<dd>raphael</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">2. Specification</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">3. Test Cases</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item04">4. AOB ?</a></li>
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<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 26 May
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2010</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribe: raphael</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Scribenick:
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raphael</p>
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<h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>
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<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the short minutes of the 19
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May 2010 telecon</p>
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<p class='phone'><a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>Minutes accepted</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-162?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-162 --
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Raphaël Troncy to provide practical information for the next
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F2F -- due 2010-05-19 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/162">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/162</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-162</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-162 Provide
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practical information for the next F2F closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>More details: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/SixthF2FAgenda">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/SixthF2FAgenda</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I think Yves will be
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able to carry the 4-5 people to the meeting from the hotel
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since he is living close by<br />
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... I think we should propose a talk to the Open Video
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Conference</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> what about proposing a duo
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presentation, Raphael and Davy, similar to WWW, but more
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complete</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we can work out the
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abstract starting from the WWW one on the mailing list<br />
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... I think we should go for the 30-45' talk</p><a name=
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"action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to send on the mailing list
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the abstract for a talk proposal [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
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find user - Raphael</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to send on the mailing list the
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abstract for a talk proposal [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-165
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- Send on the mailing list the abstract for a talk proposal [on
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Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-06-02].</p>
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<h3 id="item02">2. Specification</h3>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> still a lot of action to
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Yves, we cannot talk about still</p>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-123?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-123 --
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Silvia Pfeiffer to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due
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2009-12-09 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-123</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-123 Come up
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with ABNF for header syntax closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Frank Denoual has
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commented on Silvia's work and Silvia has addressed the
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comments<br />
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... I'm all for giving an action to Yves for reviewing the
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ABNF</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>erik</cite>> +1</p><a name=
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"action03" id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> yves to review the ABNF syntax of the
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HTTP headers introduced by the Media Fragment URI spec
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-166
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- Review the ABNF syntax of the HTTP headers introduced by the
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Media Fragment URI spec [on Yves Lafon - due 2010-06-02].</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> rendering of fragment in
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UA ... how far should we go</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we should discuss
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possibilities, but not provide recommendations</p>
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<h3 id="item03">3. Test Cases</h3>
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<p class='phone'>ACTION-164?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-164 -- Erik
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Mannens to report to the group whether such an approach from
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RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media
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fragment specification -- due 2010-05-26 -- OPEN</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/164">
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/164</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>See also: <a href=
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"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0067.html">
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0067.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-164</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-164 Report
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to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can
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be used for automatically testing the media fragment
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specification closed</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> ok with the extension,
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but my problem is that we do not rely only on the HTTP status
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code<br />
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... there is also the need for a user assessment that the
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visual rendering is correct</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> really? if we do not
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recommend the rendering of a fragment, then no need ... for the
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automatic test suite<br />
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... and there are 2 kind of evaluations, server side and UA
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side<br />
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... for me there is test suite for the UA (correct parsing of
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the media fragment URI syntax + correct rendering of the
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fragment?) and the test suite for the server (the automatic
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test suite from Davy we are talking about)</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we have done our own
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implementation, JSON files, no DB, but we would like to link it
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to corrib now</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> is there some pointers I
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can have a look to to better understand what you have done</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> can we say that
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mftc:expectedHTTPStatusCode<br />
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... returns a 2xx ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-08#section-8.2.1">
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http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-08#section-8.2.1</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> for a 206 or a 200</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-10.2.1">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-10.2.1</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I like this ontology:
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes">http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes</a><br />
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... My other concern is do we want a litteral for the property
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mftc:expectedVisualResults ?<br />
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... or do we want controlled values ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF10/">http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF10/</a></p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> do we really need this
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property if we test the server?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> no automatic evaluation for
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this one, not trivial<br />
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... we actually test more than the HTTP headers, for example
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that the bytes sent in the body of the response correspond to
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the original bytes in the media</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I would suggest to
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remove this property if we don't see how it will be used</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I'm thinking of using
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corrib for testing also the UA side<br />
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... so I might need it later on<br />
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... then we need to think now about the test framework for the
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UA side!<br />
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... because we will NOT edit again and again the test suite</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> I agree with you</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> how we should proceed
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then ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> should we have test movies
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? How many ?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we can use the one
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Silvia is using (the cartoon, need to find the title) used by
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Mozilla demos<br />
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... we don't need many, perhaps 5 in different formats, would
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be good</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> Elephant Dreams</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Silvia, if you're
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reading, could we give you an ACTION to find 4-5 movies,
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licence free, we could use in our test cases ?<br />
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... Elephant Dreams is one of them<br />
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... what else ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> very hard indeed</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> I go to creative
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commons and download from there</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> Michael:
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Server-Test Suite would consist of: corrib-output (RDF):
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manifest, media files, driver (takes manifest and applies to
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each set of media files and generates EARL)</p><a name=
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to find licence free movies for
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the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and
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the creative commons [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-167
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- Find licence free movies for the automatic test suite ...
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starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons [on Erik
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Mannens - due 2010-06-02].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> <a href=
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"http://creativecommons.org/videos">http://creativecommons.org/videos</a></p><a name="action05"
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id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to investigate how the automatic
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test suite could also be done for evaluating the UA behavior
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-168
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- Investigate how the automatic test suite could also be done
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for evaluating the UA behavior [on Davy Van Deursen - due
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2010-06-02].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> just get videos from
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there</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we are waiting for the
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output of this action before asking Michael to extend
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corrib</p>
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<h3 id="item04">4. AOB ?</h3>
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<p class='phone'>close ACTION-164</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-164 Report
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to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can
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be used for automatically testing the media fragment
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specification closed</p>
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<p class='phone'>[meeting adjourned]</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I hope we will have Yves
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and Jack on the phone next week to progress further !</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to
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investigate how the automatic test suite could also be done for
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evaluating the UA behavior [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to find
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licence free movies for the automatic test suite ... starting
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with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael to send
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on the mailing list the abstract for a talk proposal [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to send on
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the mailing list the abstract for a talk proposal [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> yves to review
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the ABNF syntax of the HTTP headers introduced by the Media
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Fragment URI spec [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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