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<h1>SV_MEETING_TITLE</h1>
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<h2>13 Jan 2010</h2>
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<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-irc">IRC
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<dt>Regrets</dt>
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<dd>hhalpin</dd>
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<dd>mischat</dd>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
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<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2010-01-13T16:00-17:00GMT</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item02">Reviewiing Charter and Deliverable
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Progress</a></li>
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<li><a href="#item03">Invited Speakers 2010</a></li>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='phone'> </p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> trackbot,
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reload</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> can you hear me?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> we can all hear
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you?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ok P9 seems to be
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me</p>
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<p class='phone'>yes we can danbri</p>
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<p class='phone'>yes i will scribe</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> what are you trying
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to do?</p>
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<p class='phone'>i will mute my phone</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> it all sounds
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good</p>
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<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
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2010-01-13T16:00-17:00GMT</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> chair: hhalpin</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: mischat</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
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approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 9th December 2009 as a true
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record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> 2nded</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> APPROVED: SWXG WG
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Weekly -- 9th December 2009 as a true record</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> APPROVED: Meeting
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again Next Wed.</p>
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<p class='phone'>meeting next week, as per usual</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> DKA, congrats re
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<a href=
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"http://twitter.com/torgo/status/7712380658">http://twitter.com/torgo/status/7712380658</a>
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:)</p>
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<p class='phone'>use this meeting to perform Action
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cleanups?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
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<p class='phone'>+1</p>
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<h3 id="item02">Reviewiing Charter and Deliverable
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Progress</h3>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter</a></p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> In it, we promise
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the W3C a number of things.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 31 March 2010</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Final report.</p>
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<p class='phone'>first to review the charter, we promised a
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number of things, 31 March 2010 for final report</p>
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<p class='phone'>XG final report usually talks about what we
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should propose for future standardisation</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA, we have gone into depth into a lot of new
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standardisation efforts</p>
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<p class='phone'>via our invited speakers mechanism we have had
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informative talks from people leading these fledging
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efforts</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I'm thinking of
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particular places...</p>
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<p class='phone'>W3C could play a gluing role to ensure that
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these fledging standardisation efforts remain patent free</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> danbri?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> (i'd like to +1 that
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... no obvious 'next single thing to stdize ... ' but lots of
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things to connect up))</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA hasn't personally identified any specific
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standardisation efforts that are needed</p>
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<p class='phone'>clearly a role for W3C to be more involved
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with trying to coordinating outside efforts</p>
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<p class='phone'>danbri woudl like to see a coordination
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group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Anyone else?</p>
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<p class='phone'>not a working group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1 to examining the
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"coordination group" approach...</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> well, a WG with some
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of the characteristics of an Interst Group and/or COordination
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Group</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ie. not making new
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stds</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>Adam</cite>> i agree with danbri's
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points about a working group / coordination group</p>
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<p class='phone'>question : 3 months left in charter, we have
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to write a final report, and we need to recommend work for
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future standardisation</p>
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<p class='phone'>what area's excite people , that W3C could
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create a working group around?</p>
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<p class='phone'>what about SKOS?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> tim?</p>
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<p class='phone'>Fabian, can't identify any standardisation
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work needed to be pursued by the W3C at this point in time
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.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> "share assets"
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-> micropayments?</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> thinks there is a lot of
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work to be done in W3C. It seems that we don't have work to do,
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because all of the invited speakers talked about their work.
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BUt tpa thinks that there are things which the w3c should be
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standardisation</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> portable contacts
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for media assets.</p>
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<p class='phone'>for example portable contacts for media assets
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is somehting which would be interesting for future
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standardisation</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ack ??P27</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> oops</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Christine - we can
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look at this next meeting if you want to?</p>
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<p class='phone'>christine is currently working on a big
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picture document</p>
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<p class='phone'>this shouldn't influence the current
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discussion re: future plans at the W3C</p>
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<p class='phone'>christine agrees with tpa, that there are gaps
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in the standards, and that there is much work to be done, but
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not sure if W3C is the right place to pursue this work</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> This would be Jan
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20th?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Or we could do the
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big picture/document on 27th?</p>
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<p class='phone'>we would like to get to renato on call with
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the SWXG, would be nice to get the XG to look at the big
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picture document</p>
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<p class='phone'>written by christine and renato</p><a name=
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"action01" id="action01"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to ping Renato about Jan 27th
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-117
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- Ping Renato about Jan 27th [on Harry Halpin - due
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2010-01-20].</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> mischat: happy new
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years!</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... trying to
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identify what to standardize post XG</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... for example, I
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could see standardize decentralized social networking</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... something this
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XG should propose?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... see a spec to
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build a social network and host a bit of it on their own
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site.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... FOAF+SSL, XMPP,
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host it on their site.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ... maybe we are on
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too high of a level?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>AnitaD</cite>> +q</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> some document,
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howto on how to get a distributed social web would be good to
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have</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> following on on our
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use cases</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>harry:</cite> we have a number of
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distinct choices</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We could propose to
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extend the XG</p>
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<p class='phone'>we could a) Extend the XG, if we dont have a
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grasp of the landscape</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> We could transform
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into IG to help co-ordinate with non-W3C bodies</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> or</p>
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<p class='phone'>b) we could change into an IG to coordinate
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with non W3C</p>
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<p class='phone'>i think which is clear is more coordination
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between</p>
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<p class='phone'>formats and APIs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 1) Some more
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co-ordination around formats/APIS -> in particular, there's
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the long awaited, call between Facebook Developer Platform,
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OpenSocial, and W3C Widgets</p>
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<p class='phone'>for example facebook developer platform,
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opensocial, and the W3C widgets</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> W3C does
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standardize APIs.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Look at the contact
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APIs and Renato's latest vCard, PortableContacts, and FOAF.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>FabGandon</cite>> semantic web is
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not a WG in W3C, it is an activity ; what the past activity of
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this XG suggests to me is that the many topics of Social Web
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and their very different needs might require a whole activity
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too.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 2)
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OpenMicroblogging as a standard</p>
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<p class='phone'>if that call goes well, this could suggest
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that W3C would be in the role of standardising APIs</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> This might include
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talking to Twitter...Twitter APIs.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> 3) Social data
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-> policy, provenance and very difficult stuff that neither
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RDF or XML do right now.</p>
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<p class='phone'>standardising of policy language, provenance,
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difficult stuff</p>
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<p class='phone'>for RDF</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> policy languages,
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applying policy languages to FOAF or PortableContacts...</p>
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<p class='phone'>so the XG could suggest how RDF could be
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updated to be useful to the Social Web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> future work on RDF
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2.0 or something.</p>
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<p class='phone'>that would not be directly standardising</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> OWF on ID Commons
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memorandum of agreement out at some point.</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Then's WRAP vs.
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OAuth debate</p>
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<p class='phone'>Wrap vs OAuth</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> types too fast ;)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Or yes, possible
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standardization of social extensions to XMPP.</p>
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<p class='phone'>AnitaD from vodaphone</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> cperey?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> we will send it to
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the list</p>
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<p class='phone'>a question for christine, what do you wish to
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do with the big picture document</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> some high-level
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ideas.</p>
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<p class='phone'>vodaphone could also provide some ideas and
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comments for the document</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA, vodaphone is also doing work using
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XMPP</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> the URL to the
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document will be sent to the list</p>
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<p class='phone'>and they will be interacting with the XMPP
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groups, and will be inputting to the XMPP standardisation
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effort</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that's pretty much
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what the document Renato and I have been developing</p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA is interested in a conceptual architecture
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for the Social Web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> conceptual
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architecture</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Talk on the
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27th?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> So that Renato can
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join.</p>
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<p class='phone'>and he thinks it could be an addition to the
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Social Web final report</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Feb 3rd.</p>
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<p class='phone'>so in feb, vodaphone can talk about XMPP work
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they are doing in the Social Web</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> use-case document
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that tpa - getting pretty close</p>
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<p class='phone'>some use cases could be shortened</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> we have melvin's
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mapping and the list of social networking</p>
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<p class='phone'>melvin's mapping</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> or lengthened :)</p>
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<p class='phone'>and the list of social networks</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='phone'>i am here</p>
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<p class='phone'>i am hear too</p>
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<p class='phone'>someone speak</p>
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<p class='phone'>i can hear DKA</p>
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<p class='phone'>and adam</p>
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<p class='phone'>XMPP summit is coming up soon</p>
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<p class='phone'>seems like a good chance to meet up</p>
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<p class='phone'>if people want to meet at FOSDEM</p>
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<p class='phone'>open source conference in brussells</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>buttons:</cite> )</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> mischat: I'll be there
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too, on Sunday</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> harry, we miss
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you</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> buttons :)</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> where is harry?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hhaplin we can't
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hear you</p>
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<p class='phone'>danbri to email the XG to ask people to come
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to the XMPP summit</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to email the XG to ask people
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to come XMPP summit [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-118
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- Email the XG to ask people to come XMPP summit [on Dan
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Brickley - due 2010-01-20].</p>
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<p class='phone'>if people from the XG are going to be there,
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they should meet up</p>
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<p class='phone'>the next step would be to move into the old
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actions</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> ACTION danbri
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schedule something on <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/">http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/</a>
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and widgets and opensocial</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-119
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- Schedule something on <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/">http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/</a>
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and widgets and opensocial [on Dan Brickley - due
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2010-01-20].</p>
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<p class='phone'>there are on the agenda</p><a name="action03"
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id="action03"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to take on corporate story
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-120
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- Take on corporate story [on Adam Boyet - due 2010-01-20].</p>
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<p class='phone'>adam thinks it is worthwhile</p>
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<p class='phone'>tim tagging the stories</p><a name="action04"
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id="action04"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> tanglade
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to tag existing stories [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><a name="action05"
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id="action05"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> tanglade to
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take on developer narrative and user stories with mischat
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> [INCOMPLETE]
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> (3 weeks) rreck to flesh out anonymous
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usecase connecting to multiple identies and null provenance</p>
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<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> to liaise with interested
|
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people to take the tagging forward</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> is there a list
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online?</p>
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<p class='phone'>oshani?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> [INCOMPLETE]
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> (4 weeks) oshani to reframe the
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geolocation/intent/portability</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> so we can see what
|
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we are talking about?</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> (4 weeks)
|
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bblfish to relabel data protection use case to be about
|
|
controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in
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|
<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
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"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html">
|
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html</a></p>
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<p class='phone'>DKA, do we have the minutes from
|
|
TPAC</p><a name="action07" id="action07"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
|
|
write-up output of XG meeting in TPAC [recorded in <a href=
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|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><a name="action08"
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id="action08"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
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<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> (4 weeks)
|
|
DKA to send notes to camp to Social Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'>ah</p><a name="action09" id="action09"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
|
|
describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
|
|
they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
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|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'>killing off the invited talks</p><a name=
|
|
"action10" id="action10"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Adam to write
|
|
up Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p><a name="action11"
|
|
id="action11"></a>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> oshani to
|
|
write up David Recordon and Luke Shepard talk. [recorded in
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|
<a href=
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|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>
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<p class='phone'>killing off the invited talk related
|
|
actions</p><a name="action12" id="action12"></a>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> cperey to book
|
|
global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p>
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|
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|
<p class='phone'>doodle</p><a name="action13" id=
|
|
"action13"></a>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> danbri to find
|
|
someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p><a name="action14"
|
|
id="action14"></a>
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|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to setup doodle for widget/api
|
|
talk [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-121
|
|
- Setup doodle for widget/api talk [on Dan Brickley - due
|
|
2010-01-20].</p>
|
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|
|
<h3 id="item03">Invited Speakers 2010</h3>
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> do we want to do
|
|
more invited speakers ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests">
|
|
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests</a></p>
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|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> people's
|
|
thoughts</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> ?</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think we should
|
|
work on the report and then fill in the gaps</p>
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<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> probably more
|
|
invited speakers than time</p>
|
|
|
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<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> microformats?</p>
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|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> with invited talks
|
|
on topics which we are missing</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> danbri thinks that
|
|
that is an indication that we should turn into an interest
|
|
group</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> yeah, I'd say maybe 1
|
|
or 2 tops, the most salient speakers and subjects</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> microformats is
|
|
missing...</p>
|
|
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|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> we could
|
|
transform, and spend the next 2 years talking to people, and we
|
|
could become a interest group</p>
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|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> anything else
|
|
missing from the list ?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> would it be
|
|
worthwhile continuing for 2 years, just so we could talk to
|
|
invited speakers?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> vast amounts of
|
|
silence...</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> by the time you got
|
|
to the end of the first year, you would need to double back and
|
|
ask people what had changed</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> re dap, widgets ....
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/">http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/</a></p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> DKA, thinks that
|
|
an interest group could be useful</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> talking and the
|
|
exchange of idea is a good thing. One of the values we have got
|
|
from invited speakers is discussion which in turn bring people
|
|
together to collaborate</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> a webinar
|
|
series?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> interest group
|
|
wouldn't have clear deliverables</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> semantic web ig</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> make sure it has a
|
|
mission</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> harry, nice thing
|
|
about XG definite purpose, and IG's just goes on and on, and
|
|
die due to not being focused enough</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> or take a bit
|
|
longer with the xg</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> and come out with
|
|
with some definite recommendations.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes I think
|
|
something with a mission is important</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> if we do do an IG,
|
|
it must have a clear reason, and that should be either
|
|
coordination or standardisation</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> social web
|
|
ecosystem....</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> doesn't have
|
|
that.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> otherwise we will
|
|
all just end up on swig</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Well the
|
|
co-ordination group usually consists of chairs</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> what is the
|
|
difference between an IG and an coordination group</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> of WGs.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> danbri thinks
|
|
people listen to coordination groups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> the trick with the
|
|
coordination groups is that they tend to coordinate W3C
|
|
groups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> so Harry, before you
|
|
go....don't forget to double back and (for short term planning)
|
|
decide what's on the agenda for meeting of 20 January?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> but any potential
|
|
Social Web coordination group would have to coordinate with
|
|
outside groups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> there is a
|
|
precedence for this, in the mobile initiative at the W3C</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> I just e-mailed
|
|
renato</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> there was
|
|
coordination effort, between W3C and OOMO (????) working
|
|
groups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> asking over the
|
|
27th.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> If he says yes,
|
|
we'll do it.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> which stopped the
|
|
second group from creating their own html-basic</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Otherwise, Eran and
|
|
Ben are happy to talk about the current "conflict" over WRAP
|
|
and OAuth.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> But I think it
|
|
would be better to have renato talk first.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> danbri
|
|
coordination could upset people on the outside, 'cause it could
|
|
seem that the W3C is attempting to mandate actions of external
|
|
groups</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> good question</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> i stick with my
|
|
'it's a bit of a hybrid between IG and CG' line!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> people could
|
|
sketch out their visions of their possible outcomes of the XG
|
|
on the wiki</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> where on the
|
|
wiki?</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> use case document
|
|
-> architectural document on how this is done</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> this being
|
|
distributed social web</p><a name="action15" id="action15"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to doodle over XG vs IG
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-122
|
|
- Doodle over XG vs IG [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-01-20].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>danbri</cite>> I'll have a go ...
|
|
maybe i'll blog something</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Happy to help out on
|
|
that.</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> could DKA, look at
|
|
how it entails to setup a coordination group over diverse
|
|
bodies</p><a name="action16" id="action16"></a>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
|
|
<strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and DKA to blog or wikize
|
|
something on co-ordination in the social web [recorded in
|
|
<a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-123
|
|
- And DKA to blog or wikize something on co-ordination in the
|
|
social web [on Dan Brickley - due 2010-01-20].</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I'll send it out at
|
|
the end of the meeting today</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> microformats to
|
|
the invited speaker list</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> to be added that
|
|
is :)</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Meeting
|
|
Adjourned</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> thanks!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster</cite>> thanks</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> by all</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> HAPPY NEW YEARS
|
|
!</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>mischat_</cite>> bye all</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> bye</p>
|
|
|
|
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> happy new year</p>
|
|
</div>
|
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|
|
<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
|
|
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to take on
|
|
corporate story [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and DKA to
|
|
blog or wikize something on co-ordination in the social web
|
|
[recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br />
|
|
|
|
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to email
|
|
the XG to ask people to come XMPP summit [recorded in <a href=
|
|
"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
|
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to setup
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doodle for widget/api talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to doodle
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over XG vs IG [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br />
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to ping
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Renato about Jan 27th [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (4 weeks) DKA
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to send notes to camp to Social Web XG wiki and BarCamp.org
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[recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
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write-up output of XG meeting in TPAC [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
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describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
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change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to
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tag existing stories [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> (4 weeks)
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bblfish to relabel data protection use case to be about
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controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Adam to write up
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Matt Lee's talk [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to book
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global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to find
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someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to write
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up David Recordon and Luke Shepard talk. [recorded in <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />
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<strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tanglade to take
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on developer narrative and user stories with mischat [recorded in
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<a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
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[End of minutes]<br />
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<address>
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Minutes formatted by David Booth's <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm">
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scribe.perl</a> version 1.135 (<a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/">CVS log</a>)<br />
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$Date: 2010/01/13 16:55:53 $
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<h2>Scribe.perl diagnostic output</h2>[Delete this section
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before finalizing the minutes.]<br />
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<pre>
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This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.135 of Date: 2009/03/02 03:52:20
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Check for newer version at <a href=
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"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</a>
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Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)
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Found Scribe: mischat
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Inferring ScribeNick: mischat
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WARNING: No "Present: ... " found!
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Possibly Present: APPROVED Adam Anita AnitaD Carine DKA FabGandon IPcaller MacTed P18 P27 P9 PROPOSED aaff bblfish claudio cperey danbri hhalpin melvster melvster1 mischat mischat_ oshani tpa trackbot
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You can indicate people for the Present list like this:
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<dbooth> Present: dbooth jonathan mary
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<dbooth> Present+ amy
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WARNING: No meeting title found!
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You should specify the meeting title like this:
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<dbooth> Meeting: Weekly Baking Club Meeting
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Got date from IRC log name: 13 Jan 2010
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Guessing minutes URL: <a href=
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"http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html</a>
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WARNING: No person found for ACTION item: (4 weeks) dka to send notes to camp to social web xg wiki and barcamp.org [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/13-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]
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People with action items: adam danbri dka hhalpin mischa tanglade
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WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines.
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You may need the "-implicitContinuations" option.
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</pre>[End of <a href=
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